The latest Port tradition-history-guernsey thread

[Exe Gesis]

No it doesn't.

If it "doesnt" then explain why the club introduced this year Est 1870, live the creed, images of PBs/Magpies on the website banner, and logo.

Im 100% right here because for 10 years the club did disassociate with, try to distance from, etc the heritage, and all those things. For them to "re-think" all that means something. Means what Im going on about.

 

[Steve Dore]

Because "moving forward" entails abandoning, downplaying, avoiding, compromizing and confusing certain things that are so founded on the heritage/historical significance. ......

If it "doesnt" then explain why the club introduced this year Est 1870, live the creed, images of PBs/Magpies on the website banner, and logo. .......

You are one extremely confused person. You have just contradicted yourself and now you want me to explain it

 

[Exe Gesis]

Like ive said many times, all or nothing. Meaning, if the club and fans truly have this attitude to "move forward" then there should be zero effort to have PBs/Magpies on the website banner, to have live the creed and we exist to win premierships and est 1870, and remove the PBs from the logo.

If we're all about associating our origins with our present/future, then all those would be brought to the fore more and TOTALLY embraced---marketing, onfield gear, logos, tying in the PAMFC, etc.

The 10 years already is proof that having a sitting on the fence attitude/direction backfires, confuses, causes identity crises, etc. And didnt even help attract larger fanbase/memberships either.

If the club is about moving forward, then it should be all about teal/black guernseys only. No PBs or artistic renditions of PBs thru squiggles and fountains. We should be nothing but a lightning bolt team, est 1996 (AFL), and leaving all that SANFL stuff in the past.

Choose one. Cant have both.

 

[Exe Gesis]

You are one extremely confused person. You have just contradicted yourself and now you want me to explain it

ad hominem replies dont help you or any "point" you may have had.
the "explain it" was rhetorical. Because im right and if you did try to explain it then it would prove im right, vindicate my points.
hence evasion and ad hominem.

 

[Relativity]

Like ive said many times, all or nothing. Meaning, if the club and fans truly have this attitude to "move forward" then there should be zero effort to have PBs/Magpies on the website banner, to have live the creed and we exist to win premierships and est 1870, and remove the PBs from the logo.

If we're all about associating our origins with our present/future, then all those would be brought to the fore more and TOTALLY embraced---marketing, onfield gear, logos, tying in the PAMFC, etc.

The 10 years already is proof that having a sitting on the fence attitude/direction backfires, confuses, causes identity crises, etc. And didnt even help attract larger fanbase/memberships either.

If the club is about moving forward, then it should be all about teal/black guernseys only. No PBs or artistic renditions of PBs thru squiggles and fountains. We should be nothing but a lightning bolt team, est 1996 (AFL), and leaving all that SANFL stuff in the past.

Choose one. Cant have both.

Why the fornication not? Surely "can't" is merely a self inflicted barrier that in itself goes against everything that has made Port Adelaide Football Club the most succsessful in this great country of ours? How do you carry the people, the name and the passion along if you leave the spirit behind? What people have hated about our club is what has made it Great. This is not a new club. This is Port Adelaide Football Club. We will do what is required to succeed. If it's not working you can't change?

 

[Steve Dore]

.... tying in the PAMFC ....

What has tying in the PAMFC got to do with the history of the PAFC

You have stated a number of times that you are a supporter of the PAMFC and not the PAFC so why don't you stop your whinging about what the PAFC and its supporters are up to on these boards.

ad hominem replies dont help you or any "point" you may have had. ......

Ad hominem tu quoque

Pot, kettle, black

 

[captain ebert]

If the club is about moving forward, then it should be all about teal/black guernseys only. No PBs or artistic renditions of PBs thru squiggles and fountains. We should be nothing but a lightning bolt team, est 1996 (AFL), and leaving all that SANFL stuff in the past.

Choose one. Cant have both.

one of the most stupidest things i have read.

since when we're you the arbiter of such things?

our club is in a unique situation in that in order to move forward, it did have to make some changes & sacrifices (& in the totality of things, i'm glad the club did what it did) to get where it is today - playing in the AFL is what our club was always about & getting there was no mean feat.

with that in mind, why the hell cant the club be proud of it's past? i mean, it's the club's past ffs - why does it have to, in your words, disown its own history & not be proud to show & promote it? its the very thing that sets us apart & the very cornerstone of our club.

& youre damn wrong mate, we can have it both ways & we will - proud of the past, confident of the future - i'll indulge you, why shouldnt the power have est 1870 on its back?

if you don't like where the power is at, you can always go and watch the prisonbars play in that inferior feeder league - i have an increasing inkling that that's what you're all about anyway.

i'm a power supporter, we wear the silver & teal & i live very comfortably with that - its our own unique image in this league & we're building a new chapter in this club's history in this very guernsey.

just get over yourself.

 

[MP_]

well said captain ebert, well said

 

[TheFridge]

13 pages for a thread started by a suspected troll masquerading as a Port supporter... We certainly love a discussion about our history and image..

Agree with many of the sentiments expressed, particularly well put above by Capt. Ebert.

Proud of the past, confident in the future - few as good, none better.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Proud of the past, confident of the future sums it up perfectly.

We no longer wear knickerbockers, caps or lace-ups either. Given that it is "all or nothing" where are you going to draw the line?

It is entirely illogical to do anything but a little of both. We will always be the PAFC with a rich, proud history that we will flaunt and be proud of. We will also be the progressive PAFC that is not hung up on its past but is willing to make change in order to be the best in the land.

If that means we have had to give up our prison bars in order to join the best league in the land then so be it. We will make the hard decisions required to be truly successful and move on, still proud of our past.

 

[MP_]

with or without the prison bars we are still the PAFC Est. 1870.

 

[Exe Gesis]

How people could write-off the PBs is astounding imo.
Best analogy I can give....Samson with short hair to not be playing in it, displayed in the crowd with signs and 30,000 fans decked out in the PBs.
Or...like how C'wood, Carlton, Essendon are so hell-bent on wearing their guernseys BECAUSE they are steeped in heritage/history.
Guernseys are like Coat of Arms, insignia.
Obviously PAFC is PAFC, etc. But to re-gen as a new lightning bolt team in teal is like cutting Samson's hair. It's just not "us".
Sure you can pretend and get behind it....but as i often show, you ALL want the PBs back, so would the club.
One day it will, what then? You're all gonna abandon the lightning bolt and teal or start picketing the club with signs and anger to retain the bolt/teal?
Exactly, you wouldnt!

 

[Exe Gesis]

And just on that...

People here get sick of me, and say "not this again", "give it a rest", "just give up and accept the teal/bolt".

But no, if no one keeps pushing and whining for it, then change wont happen. The ONLY reason the club itself embraced this year "live the creed", "est 1870", "we exist to win premierships", and "website with PBs/magpies", or in past heritage rounds for the PBs, is BECAUSE there was internal whining and pushing, constantly at and at the board, admin, to re-identify and re-attach to our historical insignias.

Obviously the club must be thinking along the same lines as me for all this to occur recently instead of the previous detachments. So how about you call up the PAFC and tell them they're a bunch of moron troll non-port fans?

 

[captain ebert]

Sure you can pretend and get behind it....but as i often show, you ALL want the PBs back, so would the club.
One day it will, what then?

why are you so sure?

just because a brand changes its logo or colors doesnt necessarily change what that brand stands for.

& id rather us remain to be unique in the AFL market - there's no other club with our colors or imagery & i dont care to revert to black/white & pb's only to create confusion & having comparisons drawn with other clubs, in any other league.

we stand alone & strong as the power brand - the epitome of all things port adelaide & there's no mistaking us for any other team.

i say, the club will not revert back to pb's, & magpie imagery - the "power" boat has already left the dock.

 

[Exe Gesis]

if the power boat left the dock completely (keyword), then the club's original intentions to detach completely from the SANFL entity/insignia we used to be, would've continued. But instead they re-evaluated and realized it wasnt/wouldnt work. Why there's been recent efforts to go from Port Power to Port Adelaide FC est 1870, why there's been a push for Live the Creed, etc etc.

In time you WILL see it. It'll be interesting when one day that happens, how someone like you and others will feel about it then. Like you just said..."there's no other club with our colors/imagery and i dont care to revert back to PBs".

Interesting dilemma that will be.

 

[captain ebert]

The ONLY reason the club itself embraced this year "live the creed", "est 1870", "we exist to win premierships", and "website with PBs/magpies", or in past heritage rounds for the PBs, is BECAUSE there was internal whining and pushing, constantly at and at the board, admin, to re-identify and re-attach to our historical insignias.

yes,

i think people (like me) just want the club to reclaim what is rightfully its own & stop having an inferior club in an inferior league pretending to be the true port adelaide football custodians prancing around in our old strip - if there were no pamfc sideshow, there'd be no confusion, no desperation so to speak & we'd be more comfortable just forging ahead & acknowledging our past at the same time.

 

[Geoffa32]

yes,

i think people (like me) just want the club to reclaim what is rightfully its own & stop having an inferior club in an inferior league pretending to be the true port adelaide football custodians prancing around in our old strip - if there were no pamfc sideshow, there'd be no confusion, no desperation so to speak & we'd be more comfortable just forging ahead & acknowledging our past at the same time.

One problem with that though. The Power need to fully ackowledge and celebrate its Port Adelaide heritage. Take true ownership of their own past.

This year the PAMFC celebrated the 20th anniversary of the 88-89 flags this year. The beginning of one of the strongest periods in Port Adelaide history. Yet to my knowledge (correct me if I am wrong) the Power did nothing to acknowledge it. To be proud of the past surely some acknowledgement of this great team is warranted? The only acknowledgment of a single Premiership by the Power has been the 1977 one. Which only come about due to the AFL's heritage round.

All clubs celebrate past glories (dinners, memorabillia etc), yet the Power seem reluctant to do so with theirs, pre Power era that is.

Little inconsistancies like this hurt the PAFC Est 1870 ideal.

 

[Exe Gesis]

One problem with that though. The Power need to fully ackowledge and celebrate its Port Adelaide heritage. Take true ownership of their own past.

This year the PAMFC celebrated the 20th anniversary of the 88-89 flags this year. The beginning of one of the strongest periods in Port Adelaide history. Yet to my knowledge (correct me if I am wrong) the Power did nothing to acknowledge it. To be proud of the past surely some acknowledgement of this great team is warranted? The only acknowledgment of a single Premiership by the Power has been the 1977 one. Which only come about due to the AFL's heritage round.

All clubs celebrate past glories (dinners, memorabillia etc), yet the Power seem reluctant to do so with theirs, pre Power era that is.

Little inconsistancies like this hurt the PAFC Est 1870 ideal.

exactly! another good example.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

This has nothing to do with your argument GG.

Everyone here would agree that we should be recognising and celebrating our past premierships and yes that is an area that the club can do better.

It has nothing to do with your rants on the PB etc. which most sane people recognise is currently out of our clubs hands due to our agreements we signed when we entered the league.

 

[Cyrus the Virus]

yes,

i think people (like me) just want the club to reclaim what is rightfully its own & stop having an inferior club in an inferior league pretending to be the true port adelaide football custodians prancing around in our old strip - if there were no pamfc sideshow, there'd be no confusion, no desperation so to speak & we'd be more comfortable just forging ahead & acknowledging our past at the same time.

That is all that is basically being said. Ram the facts down peoples throats so they know who we are and where we come from, as eddie has done and very effectively mind you, over the years with the wobbles.

ways in particlular that this can be done is by the re-design of current guernseys/logo's/songs etc. into more traditional designs used by our club throughout its history.

for example:

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effective marketing that is a lot better than a measley catch phrase.

 

[captain ebert]

Little inconsistancies like this hurt the PAFC Est 1870 ideal.

you know, as i mentioned, im sure the club would have done as you suggest, if only the pamfc had not been around, with the sanfl's blessing, pretending to be the official port sanfl custodian.

there's no doubt the pafc should be able to celebrate a moment in time that contributed to its actual AFL being - situations like this add to the sense of anger & frustration that supporters like myself feel.

 

[Lightning_Rod]

jesus im starting to get sick of this real quick. gg you support your team through thick thin, rain or shine, we are still the pafc est 1870 whether we wear our old strip or not, if by some mean in the future we are able to retain our old jumper on a permanent basis thats awesome but ramming this stuff into us poster on these boards is doing nothing but shitting us to tears

 

[Exe Gesis]

If it shits people to tears doesnt seem they are as passionate to me as Collingwood fans, or Essendon fans.
We could learn a thing or two about honoring heritage, self-promoting the history, honoring our old Magpie teams, awards, memoribilia, etc etc etc.
Anyway, people like me Cyrus etc are on the same page at least. I have solace in knowing that.

 

[manureid]

for example:

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effective marketing that is a lot better than a measley catch phrase.

Post of the YEAR! But I am biased

 

[Steve Dore]

...... gg you support your team through thick thin, rain or shine, we are still the pafc est 1870 whether we wear our old strip or not ......

But gg does not support the PAFC through thick and thin. He has said as much himself. He has little interest in the PAFC but instead follows the PAMFC because they wear the prison bar guernsey.

As hereselmo1 has posted above, and I have pointed out to gg before, neither the PAFC, nor the PAMFC for that matter, still wear knickerbockers or caps. The PAMFC doesn't even wear rose pink and white or magenta and blue. If gg was as dedicated to remaining in the past as he claims he would be campaigning to have his beloved PAMFC return to wearing the magenta and blue in which the PAFC won its first GF