Agree. If Wce or Ess get the right run they could shake it up as well but there's those 3 clear groupings - Coll/Gee, Carl/Haw & Ess/WCe. Then everyone else.
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The league's best midfield?
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That's pretty much the way I see it. As you can already see, injuries etc will likely play a part in who finishes where but given each team's best mids on the park that, or something close to it pretty much sums it up.
I reckon the Pies depth and the contribution they get out of the second and third tiers means they're ahead of the rest, even if they are short 1 or 2 of the top tier type players.
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Nope.
Meaningless. Ottens was one of a ruck duo in that match, with Steven King.
Then Blake absolutely annhiliated Jolly in Rd 9.
Ottens had more hitouts alone than Jolly Rd 19, Hawkins more than Brown.
In the PF Jolly had 4 touches, and 18 hitouts. Ottens 5 and 15, Hawkins 8 and 12. Not sure how that adds up to 'complete destruction' but there you go
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Nope.
Meaningless. Ottens was one of a ruck duo in that match, with Steven King.
Then Blake absolutely annhiliated Jolly in Rd 9.
Ottens had more hitouts alone than Jolly Rd 19, Hawkins more than Brown.
In the PF Jolly had 4 touches, and 18 hitouts. Ottens 5 and 15, Hawkins 8 and 12. Not sure how that adds up to 'complete destruction' but there you go
Do Collingwood have a single player better than your 22nd ranked player?
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Nope but then no other club gets close to collingwood either - well that's what I read anyway
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Bahahahhahahahaha @ the bolded comments.
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TBH I thought our midfield was the reason we even got close to Geelong, I believe we beat them for clearances and possessions (hold on I'll check)
Edit: Yeah we edged them in Clearances, Disposals, Contested and Uncontested Possessions, Inside 50's and Tackles.
Edit: Yeah we edged them in Clearances, Disposals, Contested and Uncontested Possessions, Inside 50's and Tackles.
LULZ at the self gratification in this thread.
Geelong still the best, so many one on one players that beat their opponent week in week out.
Hawks depth is pretty scary
Mitchell
Shiels
Savage
Hodge
Bateman
Sewell
Burgoyne
Lewis
Rioli
Pinch Hitters
Suckling
Ladson
Birchall
Whitecross
Currently in the 2's
Ellis
Young
Smith
Add to that Roughead who is like another quality mid after contesting in the ruck.
No wonder we're a happy team!!
Geelong still the best, so many one on one players that beat their opponent week in week out.
Hawks depth is pretty scary
Mitchell
Shiels
Savage
Hodge
Bateman
Sewell
Burgoyne
Lewis
Rioli
Pinch Hitters
Suckling
Ladson
Birchall
Whitecross
Currently in the 2's
Ellis
Young
Smith
Add to that Roughead who is like another quality mid after contesting in the ruck.
No wonder we're a happy team!!
id have geelong first, but where collingwood are so good is that the players they rotate through always do a job, and the players resting fwd always make a impact
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Wait what...Do people typically include ruckmen in their midfield? Surprised Fremantle haven't rated a mention.
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All the teams have quality players in their midfield, but the key to maintaining a good midfield is whether the players 'click' or not. They either do or the don't. If they work together efficiently, it would mean wins. If not, it wouldn't necessarily mean they aren't quality players, just the don't work well together.
Best Midfield after considering this: Collingwood.
Best Midfield after considering this: Collingwood.
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Swans midfield rotations;
Shane Mumford
Adam Goodes
Ryan O'Keefe
Jude Bolton
Jarrad McVeigh
Nick Malceski
Kieren Jack
Josh Kennedy
Dan Hannebery
Ben McGlynn
Gary Rohan
Craig Bird
Rhyce Shaw
Tadhg Kennelly
Lewis Jetta
Shane Mumford
Adam Goodes
Ryan O'Keefe
Jude Bolton
Jarrad McVeigh
Nick Malceski
Kieren Jack
Josh Kennedy
Dan Hannebery
Ben McGlynn
Gary Rohan
Craig Bird
Rhyce Shaw
Tadhg Kennelly
Lewis Jetta
West Coast need a lot of potential to come into fruition to be considered in this discussion. The crop of youngsters is there:
Shuey, S Selwood, Swift, Masten, Gaff, Ebert, Neates, Sheppard, Stevens, Strijk (in no order).
However, these kids don't stand out anymore than say Richmond's. If basically all step up to be adequate footballers we'll be competitive. We need some of them to become elite, however.
Hawks
Bailey/Renouf are no match for Jolly
Mitchell id rather have Pendles
Hodge call it even with Swan
Sewell = L.Ball
Burgoyne is miles off Thomas
Rioli is yet to produce the football Didak has
Shiels (good kid) but give me Sidebottom
Lewis even with Beams
Savage id rather Wellingham
Bateman id happily play B.Johnson in the same role
Pinch Hitters
Suckling - is a HB, may as well include a bloke like L.Davis
Ladson.....finished
Birchall - is a key link down back.....why not add in H.Obrien or H.Shaw??
Whitecross.....pahlease, id much rather a bloke like Krakeour as a pinch hitter
Currently in the 2's
Ellis.....is sh1t, funny you blokes could have had Pendles with his pick!
Young....Lonie mark 3, the softest of soft but a good kick....will fade away into nothing soon
Smith...deary me a 2 gamer is now part of the equation....Fasolo will be a star!!
Collingwood with a leg in the air in the midfield.
Bailey/Renouf are no match for Jolly
Mitchell id rather have Pendles
Hodge call it even with Swan
Sewell = L.Ball
Burgoyne is miles off Thomas
Rioli is yet to produce the football Didak has
Shiels (good kid) but give me Sidebottom
Lewis even with Beams
Savage id rather Wellingham
Bateman id happily play B.Johnson in the same role
Pinch Hitters
Suckling - is a HB, may as well include a bloke like L.Davis
Ladson.....finished
Birchall - is a key link down back.....why not add in H.Obrien or H.Shaw??
Whitecross.....pahlease, id much rather a bloke like Krakeour as a pinch hitter
Currently in the 2's
Ellis.....is sh1t, funny you blokes could have had Pendles with his pick!
Young....Lonie mark 3, the softest of soft but a good kick....will fade away into nothing soon
Smith...deary me a 2 gamer is now part of the equation....Fasolo will be a star!!
Collingwood with a leg in the air in the midfield.
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^^^^^ Did you forget to do a quote or are you just getting in before someone has the audacity to suggest the hawks midfield is on a par with the pies.
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Shuey will be amazing. Not sure about the elite potential of the rest though, Gaff is that consistent, bread and butter midfielder you build sides around. But can he be elite?
Too old, too slow....I've heard that somewhere before............but the last bit isn't too predictable.
Hawks
Bailey/Renouf are no match for Jolly - You have no idea who our rucks are.
Mitchell id rather have Pendles - okay but there is very little between them.
Hodge call it even with Swan - Really? 25 disposals > 35 Swan. Hodge is quite possibly the best kick in the AFL. Also his leadership means his much more valuable, and your head coach agrees.
Sewell = L.Ball - Sewell is better, not by much, but is.
Burgoyne is miles off Thomas - No doubt. But every dog has their day.
Rioli is yet to produce the football Didak has - Didak has yet to produce the football Rioli has. Call it evens? Trust me you want to.
Shiels (good kid) but give me Sidebottom - Definitely Steele but their ain't as much difference as you would believe.
Lewis even with Beams - Lewis by far leads the league in assists, by far. Lewis could play on Beams, negate him and still be in the best.
Savage id rather Wellingham - Savage already seems like a better player than Wellingham, just needs to be more consistent.
Bateman id happily play B.Johnson in the same role - Bateman is not playing, Young is now. Who knows who could even be Ladson later in the year. All better kicks than Johnson, who is also not playing.
You also forgetting maybe the most important player in Hawks midfield. He doesn't play on centre bounces but his influence in the middle of the ground is just as profound, and why he leads the league in scoring involvements.
Pinch Hitters
Suckling - is a HB, may as well include a bloke like L.Davis - Suckling is one of the best kicks in the AFL period.
Ladson.....finished - read previous.
Birchall - is a key link down back.....why not add in H.Obrien or H.Shaw?? - you're also forgetting Guerra, do you know who he is?
Whitecross.....pahlease, id much rather a bloke like Krakeour as a pinch hitter - Osborne would be more like Krakouer. Spell it right by the way.
Currently in the 2's
Ellis.....is sh1t, funny you blokes could have had Pendles with his pick!
Young....Lonie mark 3, the softest of soft but a good kick....will fade away into nothing soon
Smith...deary me a 2 gamer is now part of the equation....Fasolo will be a star!!
Collingwood with a leg in the air in the midfield.
You don't have clue about the Box Hill players, it's best you don't make comments on them.
Just a biased post from a one-eyed supporter.
I don't pretend to follow Box Hill.....and Im not sure what Box Hill players have to do with a thread about the AFL's best midfield??
Bailey/Renouf are no match for Jolly - You have no idea who our rucks are.
Renouf has the most HO's of any Hawthorn player, and Bailey the best HO per game average.....they are the best you have to offer, Roughy aint a Ruck and Hale is a spud.
Mitchell id rather have Pendles - okay but there is very little between them.
Pendles is silk, Mitchell is a slightly better version of Sewell.
Hodge call it even with Swan - Really? 25 disposals > 35 Swan. Hodge is quite possibly the best kick in the AFL. Also his leadership means his much more valuable, and your head coach agrees.
?? Last year MM and all the other coaches rated Swan as the best player in the league...and he is a pure midfielder, not a bloke who also spends time across HB like Hodge. Hence I was generous and called it even....over the last 2 years Swan has been (with Ablett) the best two mid's in the game. Rating Hodge as his equal was to appease you Hawthorn flogs.
Sewell = L.Ball - Sewell is better, not by much, but is.
Perhaps in 08-09 Sewell was better, but last year and this year Ball is back to his best footy....is laying more tackles and they are basically level in 1st possessions at a contest...equal is again more than fair.
Burgoyne is miles off Thomas - No doubt. But every dog has their day.
Indeed Burgoyne is a flop come finals.....Dale won our best player in the finals last year.
Rioli is yet to produce the football Didak has - Didak has yet to produce the football Rioli has. Call it evens? Trust me you want to.
Didak has the runs on the board....when Cyril can have 590 disposals and kick 40 plus goals in a season he will be near Didak, at the moment the best Cyril can produce is 340 and 27. And Didak is the better user of the footy.
Shiels (good kid) but give me Sidebottom - Definitely Steele but their ain't as much difference as you would believe.
Funny how when the pies player is clearly better, according to you it is actually close....yet you say im biased?
Lewis even with Beams - Lewis by far leads the league in assists, by far. Lewis could play on Beams, negate him and still be in the best.
Beams finds the ball more and actually kicks goals...again I even gave it as even yet your still not happy.......Beams had a better season than Cyril in 2010 having 510 disposals and kicking 26 goals.
Savage id rather Wellingham - Savage already seems like a better player than Wellingham, just needs to be more consistent.
Deary me, Savage has played a handful of ok games....Wellingham has his measure again in basically all aspects, finds more of the ball, lays more tackles and is a better two way player.....no shame in that as Savage is starting out.
Bateman id happily play B.Johnson in the same role - Bateman is not playing, Young is now. Who knows who could even be Ladson later in the year. All better kicks than Johnson, who is also not playing.
Young hasn't played since rd 7....he has been playing for Box Hill with Ladson, no surprise that the Hawks have looked much better since these two were given the flick.
Pinch Hitters
Suckling - is a HB, may as well include a bloke like L.Davis - Suckling is one of the best kicks in the AFL period.
Who cares about his kicking....he doesn't play in the midfield....just like L.Davis he is a sweeper across the backline.
Ladson.....finished - read previous.
He is not even in the best for BoxHill.....using Ladson as example of Hawthorn's great depth is a losing argument.
Birchall - is a key link down back.....why not add in H.Obrien or H.Shaw?? - you're also forgetting Guerra, do you know who he is?
Again....the point being we are talking about midfields.....you may as well mention Buddy if your including you defenders.
Collingwood with a leg in the air in the midfield.
Shuey will be elite, best few mids in the comp. Gaff could be elite but wont be in the top few mids in the comp imo. Really do think he will be similar and close to a dal santo.
Other than that we don't have many probable guns in the midfield.
Masten i think will eventually get it together and be a b+ player
Sheppard could end up elite but i think again he will be a b-b+ player
Swift could be elite, But will probably end up de-listed.
S Selwood will again be a solid contributor but not elite b-b+
Kobe Stevens again the same.
Rosa again solid but nothing special
Ebert im losing faith of him turning into too much at all
We may need to rely heavily on our future ruck division of Nic Nat and Lycett to make our midfield one of the better ones in the comp.
But tbh im not sure our midfield will be that great solid maybe but we will be relying on a gun forwardline of Kennedy, Lecras and Darling to win us premierships or we will need to go recruiting.
Sorry if that was unclear, that was talking specifically about standings this year.
Gold Coast.
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