The off topic thread 6.0

[Frank Bunn]

Biden’s health has deteriorated…has become fairly obvious he can’t cope with a full on campaign at this stage.

Biden won the Democrat primaries process by a landslide with delegate voting as recently as 8 June 2024. His health hasn't deteriorated significantly in 6 weeks. As Vivek said a couple of years ago, it was never the senior Democrats intention to have Biden as their candidate. But maybe they thought they would run with it and see what happened. Either way, Biden's position as elected presidential candidate was terminated when it was obvious they were going to lose.

Harris didn't even stand in the Democrats primaries. Zero votes. When Biden drops out at this stage, it's too late to rerun the pretence that is the primaries. Harris was was appointed as VP and now has been appointed as the new unelected Democrat candidate.

 

[SM]

Biden won the Democrat primaries process by a landslide with delegate voting as recently as 8 June 2024. His health hasn't deteriorated significantly in 6 weeks. As Vivek said a couple of years ago, it was never the senior Democrats intention to have Biden as their candidate. But maybe they thought they would run with it and see what happened. Either way, Biden's position as elected presidential candidate was terminated when it was obvious they were going to lose.

Harris didn't even stand in the Democrats primaries. Zero votes. When Biden drops out at this stage, it's too late to rerun the pretence that is the primaries. Harris was was appointed as VP and now has been appointed as the new unelected Democrat candidate.

As above, do you understand how the Convention process works? She hasn't been appointed as anything.

 

[ADL9798]

When you say the quiet part out loud.

 

[SM]

When you say the quiet part out loud.

Did he also say "I'm not Christian"?

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Did he also say "I'm not Christian"?

But he loves them. That's what matters

 

[Loonerty]

When you say the quiet part out loud.

Either this is "there will be no need to vote because I'm abolishing elections" or "I won't be running so you won't need to care"

 

[undefined]

Goodness me Trump is funny. If only he wasn't a manipulative narcissist with little respect for democracy.

The evangelicals will never quit with their adoration for the man - he's doing God's work.

 

[glenferry23]

Goodness me Trump is funny. If only he wasn't a manipulative narcissist with little respect for democracy.

The evangelicals will never quit with their adoration for the man - he's doing God's work.

It’s quite frightening and funny at the same time, the shit that I read and hear about. They purport there’s “a war on Christianity”. And that they’re “soldiers of god”, Trump is their saviour, hence remaining armed to the teeth and not impinging upon their right to guns. ****ing hell.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

You do realise she still has to be nominated at the convention yes?

Yes, by delegates who have pledged to vote for Biden. Harris didn't participate in the 2024 primaries and was flogged in 2020. She shouldn't even be a candidate.

 

[SM]

Yes, by delegates who have pledged to vote for Biden. Harris didn't participate in the 2024 primaries and was flogged in 2020. She shouldn't even be a candidate.

Yes, who are able to pick from her and other nominees. Even if it had been Biden still running, people can nominate on the floor of the Convention and those delegates can go against Biden.

Your opinion on whether she should or shouldn't be a candidate is irrelevant.

 

[moomba]

It's proper weird how much people are clinging to this idea that someone should or shouldn't be a candidate.

Biden dropped out. Anyone could have put their name forward. Harris did and will get the votes of the delegates. If someone wanted to challenge her, they would have and Harris would either have won or lost.

Seems pretty reasonable to me.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Yes, who are able to pick from her and other nominees. Even if it had been Biden still running, people can nominate on the floor of the Convention and those delegates can go against Biden.

Your opinion on whether she should or shouldn't be a candidate is irrelevant.

It's not democratic then is it if democrat voters don't get a say in who the presidential candidate is. Now the delegates who are their to vote for Biden decide.

 

[Loonerty]

It's not democratic then is it if democrat voters don't get a say in who the presidential candidate is.

Would they if someone ran against her?

 

[SM]

It's not democratic then is it if democrat voters don't get a say in who the presidential candidate is. Now the delegates who are their to vote for Biden decide.

You're basically suggesting that it's not democratic that the Liberal Party selects their leader in Australia, or that the Labor party picked Albo to be PM. The people didn't vote for Albo they voted for their representatives.

The people get to vote for Harris or Trump in November. What happens before then is party mechanics.

The delegates would be the same regardless of who they were there to support, do you think that they just find random Biden supporters in the street to go along to this thing? It's happened before that people have voted for a candidate in the primaries and then on the convention floor that nomination has been challenged. It's not binding.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

Would they if someone ran against her?

If they ran a primary and the actual voters voted for delegates to vote at the convention.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

You're basically suggesting that it's not democratic that the Liberal Party selects their leader in Australia, or that the Labor party picked Albo to be PM. The people didn't vote for Albo they voted for their representatives.

The people get to vote for Harris or Trump in November. What happens before then is party mechanics.

The delegates would be the same regardless of who they were there to support, do you think that they just find random Biden supporters in the street to go along to this thing? It's happened before that people have voted for a candidate in the primaries and then on the convention floor that nomination has been challenged. It's not binding.

Australia has a different political system to the USA making your post irrelevant.

 

[Loonerty]

If they ran a primary and the actual voters voted for delegates to vote at the convention.

Right okay. But there isn't another candidate?

 

[SM]

Australia has a different political system to the USA making your post irrelevant.

Wow does it, thanks I had no idea.

The point was to make a comparison of two systems where party mechanics take precedence over a literal straw poll of the nation for who the party's candidate should be.

Again, even if Biden went to the convention with the delegates backing him, Harris could stand up at the convention and challenge him and the delegates would be entitled to select her over him. It's not undemocratic it's literally how their system works.

You talk about 'destroying' my arguments and posts being 'irrelevant' when you don't seem to even comprehend what people are saying. Your grasp on the American political system seems incredibly shallow.

 

[moomba]

You're basically suggesting that it's not democratic that the Liberal Party selects their leader in Australia, or that the Labor party picked Albo to be PM. The people didn't vote for Albo they voted for their representatives.

The people get to vote for Harris or Trump in November. What happens before then is party mechanics.

The delegates would be the same regardless of who they were there to support, do you think that they just find random Biden supporters in the street to go along to this thing? It's happened before that people have voted for a candidate in the primaries and then on the convention floor that nomination has been challenged. It's not binding.

It's just a case of people throwing shit at the wall and hoping some sticks.

Totally legal. Totally legitimate. People that oppose Harris would be better off focusing on actual reasons not to vote for her.

 

[SM]

It's just a case of people throwing shit at the wall and hoping some sticks.

Totally legal. Totally legitimate. People that oppose Harris would be better off focusing on actual reasons not to vote for her.

They're already trying to suggest there's doubts about her birth to throw her candidacy into question. It's desperation.

 

[moomba]

They're already trying to suggest there's doubts about her birth to throw her candidacy into question. It's desperation.

Democrats wouldn't be able to believe their luck with the approach the Republicans are taking.

Playing totally into Harris' hands. Theyre struggling to land a single hit, and are becoming increasingly sexist, racist and plainly.ridiculous to the extent the more moderate of their own supporters are starting to ask questions.

Harris has weaknesses that can be exploited. Her birth, or her sex or her laugh is irrelevant to the voters. Unless they start focussing on policy theyre going to get slaughtered.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Right okay. But there isn't another candidate?

There's no other candidate because the Democrat primaries were a sham. Biden was elected by a landslide. He's now been forced to withdraw because either they never intended him to run or they realised they were going to lose.

It's too late to rerun the whole primaries process again so Harris has been appointed, just like she was for VP.

 

[moomba]

There's no other candidate because the Democrat primaries were a sham. Biden was elected by a landslide. He's now been forced to withdraw because either they never intended him to run or they realised they were going to lose.

It's too late to rerun the whole primaries process again so Harris has been appointed, just like she was for VP.

Even if that were all correct...so what?

Has any rule been broken? Is there any way the candidacy would be ruled invalid?

It's just flinging shit, and ignoring real issues.

 

[SM]

There's no other candidate because the Democrat primaries were a sham. Biden was elected by a landslide. He's now been forced to withdraw because either they never intended him to run or they realised they were going to lose.

It's too late to rerun the whole primaries process again so Harris has been appointed, just like she was for VP.

What are you talking about haha. How were they a sham? Anyone that would have run then can still run now and no one wants to.

She hasn't been appointed. You make it sound like that's not how VPs are normally put in position. And she was then elected by the people along with Biden.

 

[DBAH0]

Right okay. But there isn't another candidate?

Joe Manchin thought about it, but the Democrats quickly realized they needed to get around 1 candidate otherwise they're handing the White House to Trump basically.