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The official Judd Trade With Carlton thread
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Re: Surely not.
I'm more confident of Bower having an extended career at AFL level than Kennedy
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I'm more confident of Bower having an extended career at AFL level than Kennedy
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Who else does this Connors represent ?
WCE tell him to get stuffed we won't trade and Richmond can have him
WCE tell him to get stuffed we won't trade and Richmond can have him
Rodney Dangerfield
Doesn’t matter
Morning guys. I posted elsewhere,but basically last night I learnt a few facts and you blokes will get what you want from Carlton don't sweat it.
From what I learnt Judd is a 99% chance of being a blue for amounts that leave you thinking that I really don't blame him.It's been on for ages and for Carlton to not trade would be leaving Judd for dead.
From what I learnt Judd is a 99% chance of being a blue for amounts that leave you thinking that I really don't blame him.It's been on for ages and for Carlton to not trade would be leaving Judd for dead.
Dodgy Barry
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Let's hope so.
Whilst I agree we are aren't going to get real market value for the Turncoat, pick 3 and another around 4 - 8 will have to do.
Don't want Kenneddy.
I'm sick of this Juddas rubbish / trading fiasco / shenanigans.
Rodney Dangerfield
Doesn’t matter
Honestly.From what I was told,and I trust this bloke. If West Coast sit tight,I don't think Carlton have a choice.Judd has been on promises since mid season.
The Eagles could go for 1,3 and Fev and nearly pull it off I reckon.
The Eagles could go for 1,3 and Fev and nearly pull it off I reckon.
The fnny thing about Richmond supporters is theyre hopingt hey can come here tel you banana stories so he slips through to them for nothing.
Youre actualy lucky yure dealing with a club that wants to compensate you instead of hope he sips through and you get nothing.
Not that they will get him if he does.
But Richmond supporters are funny.... but desperate...
Fancy thinking if he tells posters from BF to sit tight they will win.. it means Nisbett and Co will listn to their rubbish...
Like The Worst has any credibility.The "Worst" reports that WC will only get 3 and Kennedy for Judd.
Ballsacks to that ****ing deal, its bullshit.
And if so, let him go PSD. Miller wont keep his job if he passes up on Judd.
I think you would find we would be happy to do a deal with 2 ,18 etc but we just have to get Judd to agree!
Based on what I have read on the net and the paper today
all you can expect is pick 3 and Kennedy or he will go to the PSD as Carlton have offered him to much money for any other team to get him ie Richmond
so sounds like your are over the barrel with the bucket of lube ready for use
all you can expect is pick 3 and Kennedy or he will go to the PSD as Carlton have offered him to much money for any other team to get him ie Richmond
so sounds like your are over the barrel with the bucket of lube ready for use
High Ryder
Premiership Player
Beacham is talking shit... Richmond have enough cap space.
I think what you think will and will not suffice is irrelevant. And I dont think that bringing up previous trades to compare this to is going to strengthen your case.
Heres the reality - Carlton have picks 1, 3 and 20 and a player who wants to come to their club. West Coast have a player leaving their club. They dont have a say in this.
So who do you think stands to lose more - West Coast, who will get nothing if they dont deal, or Carlton, who will still have picks 1, 3 and 20 if they dont deal.
Roll this into the fact that Carlton have the most room in their salary cap ok. This means that Judd can go to the PSD and Judd can put a price on his head that only Carlton can afford. He will bypass Richmond and go to Carlton anyway.
West Coast supporters - you are not going to have any warm feelings from this deal. The cold reality is simply you will take what you are offered.
People who write posts such as "time to rape and pillage Carlton" do not understand the intricacies of trading. Nobody owes you anything when a player leaves.
I have though all along what is fair (in my opinion) was 3, 20 and Kennedy. I thought even then Carlton was getting away lightly. Now they are saying the most likely deal will be 3 and Kennedy... and thats it.
The cold reality of trade West Coast fans. Yes he is worth more. No, you won't get market value. Its a buyers market this time round.
Eagles want picks 1 + 3
Carlton don't want to give up both picks.
Where does that leave trade negotiations? IMO the sides will have to meet somewhere in the middle. I see 2 scenarios eventuating:
1) Carlton agree to trade picks 1+3 only if eagles include something as part of the Judd package. 1 + 3 for Judd + 13 is a possibility.
2) Carlton trade for another top 10 pick and ontrade it to the eagles. So Judd is traded for pick 1 + pick 6-10 OR pick 3 + pick 4/5.
Would that be a fair and logic assumption to the conclusion of this trade?
If eagles then trade Morton + pick 30 to Richmond for pick 18/19, it will leave the eagles with 3 top 20 draft picks. Not ideal as it doesn't give us a replacement for Judd, but hopefully our youngsters can stand up to cover the loss of Judd and the draft picks develop accordingly over the next 2-3 years.
Carlton don't want to give up both picks.
Where does that leave trade negotiations? IMO the sides will have to meet somewhere in the middle. I see 2 scenarios eventuating:
1) Carlton agree to trade picks 1+3 only if eagles include something as part of the Judd package. 1 + 3 for Judd + 13 is a possibility.
2) Carlton trade for another top 10 pick and ontrade it to the eagles. So Judd is traded for pick 1 + pick 6-10 OR pick 3 + pick 4/5.
Would that be a fair and logic assumption to the conclusion of this trade?
If eagles then trade Morton + pick 30 to Richmond for pick 18/19, it will leave the eagles with 3 top 20 draft picks. Not ideal as it doesn't give us a replacement for Judd, but hopefully our youngsters can stand up to cover the loss of Judd and the draft picks develop accordingly over the next 2-3 years.
Bluebear
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Do we have to go over this again?
You assume (quite wrongly) that the Blues are compelled somehow to give WCE more.
Why?
If we offer pick 3 and 20, there aren't many other offers that will come that will compell us to top it.
If the Tiges offer 2 and 19, Judd and the AFL won't see that as a significant increase on our offer and won't sign off on it as it is restraint of trade - Judd wants the Blues and the offers are equivocal.
Tiges won't offer more because they will hope they can steal hiom for zero in the PSD.
WCE will deal up at the last minute for pick 3 and 20 so they don't lose him for nothing.
Carlton WILL walk away from this deal with our players and all our picks in hand if needs be, and take our chances in pricing the TIges out in the PSD.
The following scenarios of 1 + 3 or us tradin for higher picks is fantasy mate.
3 + 20 is o.k.
Not fair, not good value, but o.k.
Its not a dud deal either - take it or get nothing.
WCE are the only club who stands to lose here.
Correct.
Here's where you logic falls apart.
You assume (quite wrongly) that the Blues are compelled somehow to give WCE more.
Why?
If we offer pick 3 and 20, there aren't many other offers that will come that will compell us to top it.
If the Tiges offer 2 and 19, Judd and the AFL won't see that as a significant increase on our offer and won't sign off on it as it is restraint of trade - Judd wants the Blues and the offers are equivocal.
Tiges won't offer more because they will hope they can steal hiom for zero in the PSD.
WCE will deal up at the last minute for pick 3 and 20 so they don't lose him for nothing.
Carlton WILL walk away from this deal with our players and all our picks in hand if needs be, and take our chances in pricing the TIges out in the PSD.
The following scenarios of 1 + 3 or us tradin for higher picks is fantasy mate.
You assume we WANT to be fair.
3 + 20 is o.k.
Not fair, not good value, but o.k.
Its not a dud deal either - take it or get nothing.
WCE are the only club who stands to lose here.
- May 5, 2006
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1. 3 + 20 is a horrible deal, and anyone with half a brain knows it.
2. Carlton stand to lose by not getting the best player in the competition after he has requested to go there. If you can't comprehend that concept of loss then you are a cretin.
Bluebear
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Well thats too bad because nothing will compell us to offer more.
We will console ourselves with pick 1, 3, 20 and our developing young list.
We don't have him yet to lose.......and the only way we can lose in this deal is if we give you what you are asking for: pick 1, 3, 20 AND Kennedy........Pfft.......dream on.
We would sooner keep our picks and take our chances in the PSD........and YOU WILL LOSE...........YOU WILL GET NOTHING.
UNDERSTAND?
Talk about cretin..........
Nobody has to top it, only Carlton do. If they want Judd (and if you argue they don't you lose all credibility) they will have to offer more or risk not getting him.
FWIW, it wouldn't take much to top 3+20
What? Since when has restraint of trade been an issue in the AFL?
Yes they will. Eagles aren't dumb, they won't let Judd walk into the PSD for nothing. If Carlton won't play ball, someone else will. If Richmond want Judd, they will trade with us.
Carlton won't walk away from anything, don't kid yourself.
Nor will they price the Tigers out of the PSD. Tigers have seen a few veterans retire in 2007, including Darren "5yr contract" Gaspar, and they always have the option of trading a few players away to clear up space.
I don't understand Carlton supporters. You all talk with such authority, like you actually have any say in the actual trade and believe the eagles hierarchy are a bunch of morons who will bend over and cop it up the poo hole. Eagles arent the richest, most professional, and successful AFL club ever by being dumb.
- May 5, 2006
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Bollocks. You have no idea what your club is willing to offer. You are talking shit in a lame attempt to convince us Eagles fans to say 'Hey. 3 & 20 is OK'. Wasted energy on your part.
Good for you. The next Livingston is just a pick away.
You really don't get it. Clearly you aren't familiar with the concept of opportunity cost. I won't waste my time explaining it to you, especially given how poor you comprehension of the concept of negotiation is.
We would sooner keep our picks and take our chances in the PSD........and YOU WILL LOSE...........YOU WILL GET NOTHING.
UNDERSTAND?
Talk about cretin..........
West Coast will not allow Judd to walk into the PSD for the sake of it, and we are going to be well informed on likely outcomes if he does.
For the last freaking time, West Coast fans don't care if Judd goes to Richmond in the PSD because Carlton won't trade reasonably.
Well said Daddy_4_eyes. It would be disatrous for carlton to lose judd now and a massive loss of face for Swann after all his gloating. He would be the laughing stock of the AFL. If the eagles open the process up and shop Judd around they will get more offers and most of those offers will be beat 3 and 20. Pick 20 is worthless in a shallow draft. It's just a lottery ticket. I think both Ess and Mel would be prepared to offer their 1st pick and a decnt player which would probably beat 3 and 20 offer from carlton depending on who the player is. And Richmond are already indicaing that 2 and 17 is on the table which obviously beats 3 and 20. And the AFL couldn't say no on restraint of trade grounds. I don't know where you are pulling that from.
All these carlton fans keep crapping on and telling us that we have no choice and we must deal with them and blah, blah, blah. Eagles will shop Judd around in the next few days and come back and tell Judd what the options are - accept a trade to another 3rd party club (whichever one offers the best trade), convince carlton to up their offer to match it or accept going in to the PSD. We don't have to deal with the blues. And personally i think that this is the way te eagles should have handled it from the beginning. We have shown too much courtesy to Judd. Turn the thing into the auction it should always have been and tell judd that his personal prefernces don't come into unless we have multiple clubs making competitive and roughly equal offers. If we get multiple decent offers Judd can choose between the suitors but he can't nomibate one club and tell us we must deal with them.
All these carlton fans keep crapping on and telling us that we have no choice and we must deal with them and blah, blah, blah. Eagles will shop Judd around in the next few days and come back and tell Judd what the options are - accept a trade to another 3rd party club (whichever one offers the best trade), convince carlton to up their offer to match it or accept going in to the PSD. We don't have to deal with the blues. And personally i think that this is the way te eagles should have handled it from the beginning. We have shown too much courtesy to Judd. Turn the thing into the auction it should always have been and tell judd that his personal prefernces don't come into unless we have multiple clubs making competitive and roughly equal offers. If we get multiple decent offers Judd can choose between the suitors but he can't nomibate one club and tell us we must deal with them.
