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[bergholt]

Guess what we have?

A lot of waves.

Tidal would be killer for us, the bass strait is well known for being a good clam stretch of water.

I was talking to a guy about this the other day, wave and tidal are turning out to be pretty hard unfortunately. The ocean is a pretty ****ed environment for mechanisms and maintenance is hard. Not sure they're going to save us.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

I'm broadly a leftie, really hope the left learn their lesson this time. Progressive doesn't mean you have to change everything all at once. Compare the way (centre-left) Turnbull did the gay marriage plebiscite with the way (centre-left) Albo did the voice referendum. You make a small, reasonable change, sell it well so most people agree with it, and then you move forward. Trying to do it all at once (as the left has been doing for 10+ years) is a recipe for backlash.

Pragmatic lefties tend to lose the voice to the stupid ones.

I have dated a greens staffer for Adam Bandt and she could not comprehend that I could be pragmatic

(and also I might have drunkenly called Lida Thorpe an Ammos footballer who needed the handling of Ben Cousins)

 

[Dard Ball Get]

I was talking to a guy about this the other day, wave and tidal are turning out to be pretty hard unfortunately. The ocean is a pretty ****ed environment for mechanisms and maintenance is hard. Not sure they're going to save us.

Not to mention how we get the power from the Bass Strait to populations lol

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

And who digs it up? How is the lithium mining going lately?

We could make a national mining company and sell it and invest in a soverign wealth fund.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

We could make a national mining company and sell it and invest in a soverign wealth fund.

Well you and I both know that will never happen

 

[bergholt]

Thousands of 200m turbines not that big? What about the tonnes of concrete footings required for them? What type of machinery and fuel is used for that too by the way?
Then who is the onus on re: upkeep and maintenance of said turbines? The contracts I’ve read puts all the onus on the land owner/farmer.
What happens when these companies set up these wind farms and then sell to an overseas company?
“Hi there, there’s a turbine on fire on my land”

If they pick up at all - “Yeah that’s your issue, not ours”

It’s not as simple as it’s made out to be imo. And “just dumping them somewhere” is not an acceptable plan in my view.

We've got a big country, I wouldn't worry about it tbh. Same as the waste from nuclear, we just put it somewhere and look after it, it's nowhere near as hard as it's made out to be.

A mate runs a company that maintains turbines, incidentally. Sure, the contract generally puts the onus on the land owner but they just pay his company (or a competitor) to do it, it's not really rocket science. Good business though.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Well you and I both know that will never happen

We should never concede our resources to private or foreign hand.

 

[bergholt]

Not to mention how we get the power from the Bass Strait to populations lol

I mean, there's a big ****off 500MW power cable going through Bass Strait right now between Tassie and Vic, that bit's not the hardest part.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

We should never concede our resources to private or foreign hand.

On that we agree 100%, far too late for that however

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

On that we agree 100%, far too late for that however

This nation really should have used our mining and natural gas to become like Norway.

We would make Moorabbin stadium great (and wet and cold) again

 

[SaintsSeptember]

This nation really should have used our mining and natural gas to become like Norway.

We would make Moorabbin stadium great (and wet and cold) again

i drove up the end of the Mornington freeway today, the Hawks have their lights up and the building structure looks impressive.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I mean, there's a big ****off 500MW power cable going through Bass Strait right now between Tassie and Vic, that bit's not the hardest part.

Did you know it only flows one way at a time? And it mostly flows into Tasmania.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

We've got a big country, I wouldn't worry about it tbh. Same as the waste from nuclear, we just put it somewhere and look after it, it's nowhere near as hard as it's made out to be.

A mate runs a company that maintains turbines, incidentally. Sure, the contract generally puts the onus on the land owner but they just pay his company (or a competitor) to do it, it's not really rocket science. Good business though.

Waste from Nuclear, WTF. Dig a deep deep hole and drop it down.
Gone.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Guess what we have?

A lot of waves.

Tidal would be killer for us, the bass strait is well known for being a good clam stretch of water.

Bass strait is well known for destroying stuff, including things that generate electricity, salt water and violence, what could possibly go wrong.

 

[bergholt]

Did you know it only flows one way at a time? And it mostly flows into Tasmania.

Of course it only flows one way at a time, what would be the point otherwise!

At the moment it's usually south into Tassie but that's because their hydro has been underperforming, it varies though:

 

[hangdog]

Thousands of 200m turbines not that big? What about the tonnes of concrete footings required for them? What type of machinery and fuel is used for that too by the way?
Then who is the onus on re: upkeep and maintenance of said turbines? The contracts I’ve read puts all the onus on the land owner/farmer.
What happens when these companies set up these wind farms and then sell to an overseas company?
“Hi there, there’s a turbine on fire on my land”

If they pick up at all - “Yeah that’s your issue, not ours”

It’s not as simple as it’s made out to be imo. And “just dumping them somewhere” is not an acceptable plan in my view.

Each turbine requiring roads to be gouged throughout pristine national parks, 50-100m wide in some points. All that crushed rock quarried and transported in from hundreds of km away...

 

[StFly]

Waste from Nuclear, WTF. Dig a deep deep hole and drop it down.
Gone.

Get a catapult, be like France and yeet it to an Atol, it's already irradiated no one will notice....

 

[gringo2011]

My 12 Year old son's friend texted him tonight saying that a) his Mum is crying because Trump won and b) America will no longer be a democracy

I watched Trump's acceptance speech with both my boys this evening, in an effort to just take some of the bullshit hysteria away. They were laughing pretty hard when he was talking about Elon's rocket. I think it helped them see he's not Hitler.

I agree though mate... I always tell my kids to research stuff themselves. What a surreal world they're growing up in.

Trump is no worse than Biden or Kamala. That stuff is a distraction. They are all front men for corporations, PACs and special interests. Trump is a more chaotic, loud and uncouth front man but the others are snakes in lipstick.

The left needs to reinvent themselves. They have all moved into the George Bush Neocon centre right and have replaced socialist policy with identity politics. People don't give a **** about trans people when they can't afford to pay their gas bill and a packet of chips costs $8.

I think a lot of people cheering victory will be just as disappointed as people who cheered Biden winning. US hegemony is on a knifes edge and going to need to get more violent and authoritarian to hold on. Biden did that already. Israel has exposed how violent the US has been internationally. People on low wages are hurting through inflation while the government tells them how good the economy is. Whoever is in power is going to have that as a baseline.

The Labor Party will suffer the same fate here. Socialist policy is the only thing that can dial back the economic imbalance. Trump won't fix anything over there and he'll disappoint. Something Covid saved him from last time. Capitalism is kind of ****ed now. It requires constant 3% growth that can't go on forever without importing people but people hate immigrants stretching the thin resources at the bottom.

I've got to the point where I don't get emotional about politics any more. It's not something we have any control over so why worry. There is only a facade of choice.

 

[gringo2011]

I'm broadly a leftie, really hope the left learn their lesson this time. Progressive doesn't mean you have to change everything all at once. Compare the way (centre-left) Turnbull did the gay marriage plebiscite with the way (centre-left) Albo did the voice referendum. You make a small, reasonable change, sell it well so most people agree with it, and then you move forward. Trying to do it all at once (as the left has been doing for 10+ years) is a recipe for backlash.

People want a more socialist left and less "progressive" policy. People don't have space for causes if they can't afford to eat.

 

[gringo2011]

Not to mention how we get the power from the Bass Strait to populations lol

We already drag gas out of there. That's the least of the issues. Shit rusting away as fast as you build it is the biggest issue.

 

[gringo2011]

Waste from Nuclear, WTF. Dig a deep deep hole and drop it down.
Gone.

It's the reactors that cost too much and are too unpopular to place near housing which makes it expensive to transmit and requires road transport of dangerous goods. Cost a lot to build and takes too long.

Like it or not renewable power through solar and wind are going to make up a large part of our supply. Hopefully they come up with a storage option that is cost effective. Onsite batteries are likely to be it and the cost will eventually come right down.

It does a lot of environmental damage extracting things to build it but does limit carbon that comes from burning coal.

 

[Joffaboy]

This nation really should have used our mining and natural gas to become like Norway.

We would make Moorabbin stadium great (and wet and cold) again

USA and the Crown both had interests in not allowing Whitlam to buy back the farm.

For 8 billion dollars or something we could have owned our gas and mineral deposits.

But no way, bring on a coup and stop it. It was curious as Whitlam would have been voted out in 6 months anyway. Must have been close to securing the money.
We were lucky we didn't go the way of Chile in 73.

On SM-S908E using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[gringo2011]

USA and the Crown both had interests in not allowing Whitlam to buy back the farm.

For 8 billion dollars or something we could have owned our gas and mineral deposits.

But no way, bring on a coup and stop it. It was curious as Whitlam would have been voted out in 6 months anyway. Must have been close to securing the money.
We were lucky we didn't go the way of Chile in 73.

On SM-S908E using BigFooty.com mobile app

Venezuela have more oil than most countries but whenever they try to nationalise their oil they get US lead upheaval.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Trump is no worse than Biden or Kamala. That stuff is a distraction. They are all front men for corporations, PACs and special interests. Trump is a more chaotic, loud and uncouth front man but the others are snakes in lipstick.

The left needs to reinvent themselves. They have all moved into the George Bush Neocon centre right and have replaced socialist policy with identity politics. People don't give a **** about trans people when they can't afford to pay their gas bill and a packet of chips costs $8.

I think a lot of people cheering victory will be just as disappointed as people who cheered Biden winning. US hegemony is on a knifes edge and going to need to get more violent and authoritarian to hold on. Biden did that already. Israel has exposed how violent the US has been internationally. People on low wages are hurting through inflation while the government tells them how good the economy is. Whoever is in power is going to have that as a baseline.

The Labor Party will suffer the same fate here. Socialist policy is the only thing that can dial back the economic imbalance. Trump won't fix anything over there and he'll disappoint. Something Covid saved him from last time. Capitalism is kind of ****ed now. It requires constant 3% growth that can't go on forever without importing people but people hate immigrants stretching the thin resources at the bottom.

I've got to the point where I don't get emotional about politics any more. It's not something we have any control over so why worry. There is only a facade of choice.

Neoliberalism killed the post war consensus, well it's now time for the Neoliberal consensus to die.

It is impossible to have infinite growth in a finite world.

 

[dudeintheswamp]

Neoliberalism killed the post war consensus, well it's now time for the Neoliberal consensus to die.

It is impossible to have infinite growth in a finite world.

It is possible to be a Barbi girl in the Barbi world.

Life in plastic, it's fantastic.