Punchy Bassett
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We were always going to win in the end....we always do
Five years straight without finals, yeah you're winning.
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Five years straight without finals, yeah you're winning.
Five years straight without finals, yeah you're winning.
Seriously though, there's an artcle in AdelaideNow about plans for 1,800 homes to be built on the SANFL's land at West Lakes. 1,800! How Sturt or anyone can be left out to whither and die is beyond me.
If you think the AFL is going to fly reserves teams around the country for a reserve comp you are dreaming. And if you think it ok to not have a reserves team even though your coach says he needs one and the strong vic clubs are getting stonger by utilising there reserves then you have rocks in your head. The solution is right infront of you. Magpies becomes Power reserves and Sturt becomes Crows reserves everyone wins.
Sadly the only winner or of this is the AFL. You think you are irrelevant now, just imagine it when you are the 18th team the AFL is interested in rather than the 2nd the SANFL isWe were always going to win in the end....we always do
If they marketed it and set it up properly such that it was profitable then I'm sure they would. Just need to be smart, make it the Foxtel-Virgin cup, give Foxtel exclusive rights to telecast, get Virgin to assist with the travel expenses. Surely Foxtel would much prefer to telecast a fully-fledged reserves comp over the current fizzer of a "Foxtel Cup", something that people might actually watch. Also sides would need to travel maybe 10-12 times max a season, flights probably wouldn't be that expensive if Virgin were happy to subsidise the flights. Also the reserves teams could fly-in/fly-out the same day to save money a lot of the time.
The biggest issue is for the clubs to maintain a supplementary list of players. Both in terms of salary and increased medical/support staff costs, although they could probably find volunteers/final year Physio/Sports Science students more than willing to give up their time just to be involved.
This is correct and I have been assured by AFC Administration that we would have a Reserves side by 2014.
I'm still not sure this is the right answer for us, personally I'm more than happy for it to happen, but where Port have a natural reserves in the Power, we were formed from all 9 SANFL clubs and I think it would ruffle a few too many feathers for us to side with a certain side, or even come in as our own side. The SANFL probably needs it for a number of clubs to survive, just the increased interest and home game gate takings for the Crows and Power reserves games would be a massive booster.
Unlike early to mid 90's, less and less Crows/Power supporters have natural SANFL clubs that they support as well, hence the competition holds little interest. However allow these supporters to watch all their club's listed players play in 1 spot, in the 1 game, in the same team and suddenly there'd be a hell of a lot more interest in the SANFL.
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I already support one team in a compromised competition ie AFC now I support two teams, Glenelg, in compromised competitions. I find it staggering to believe that the other 8 clubs would gladly allow the Port Magpies to align with Port Power. Make no mistake about it this is a massive advantage and one of the main reasons I don't follow the SANFL much anymore.
I would rather our Reserves team played in the VFL, where they play more of an AFL style of game.
But the sanfl owns the license and signed on to the conditions associated with that. Maybe they overestimated the revenue that could be sourced from port supporters. Either way, they don't seem to be able to live within their means and do the majority of clubs. Seems eerily similar to the vfl having to prostitute itself to stay afloat by offering licenses to wa and qld.
I've provided financial facts which clearly demonstrate that they have.
Just saying it's wrong means nothing Macca. You can say you're purple, and it doesn't make you purple.
Financially, Port Adelaide are a basket case and will be until they get decent crowds at their games again.
They certainly did, but don't forget that the estimates for members and match attendances were provided by Port.
I sort of agree with the rest of your post. They can't afford to sustain 9 teams at the level that they do, but the difference is that they don't have the capacity that the VFL did to charge $4 million dollars licence fees to any prospective newcomer team.
In fact, they want to give Port Power's licence to the AFL for nothing.
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Im not disagreeing that Port Adelaide have recieved extensive financial support from the SANFL, probably above and beyond what is reasonable. Im disagreeing at your statement that the SANFL cant support its member clubs because of Port Adelaide.
When has the SANFL ever propped up a struggling SANFL club? The answer is never. Theres been numerous SANFL clubs in a similar or worse position than Sturt are currently in and they never recieved any assurance from the SANFL. North were just about boarding up Prospect 10 years ago. At least the SANFL have guaranteed Sturts debt if the rumours are true. Where that leaves West I dont know.
When theyve got 8 out of 9 clubs making financial losses, when theyve got 3 of its member clubs knocking on deaths door, when they have ~$25 million of their own debt to deal with, maybe they need to look internally and consider if in their renegade chase to become the Jana Novotna of leagues in this country, that they have ran their league inappropriately and should maybe look at "growing the pie" themselves and trying to improve their shithouse finals crowds, sponsorship and health of its member clubs by taking pressure off them with a salary cap that is sustainable.
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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/grants-increase-port-rescue-deal-to-14m-20110630-1gt27.html
The money of which you speak came from the AFL through the SANFL.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/afl-ignores-the-call-for-help/story-e6freckc-1226583834131
"Each SANFL club also received a $400,000 dividend in 2012 from AFL license money paid by the Adelaide Crows and Port Adelaide."
The SANFL and its members are becoming increasingly debt-ridden as a result of their own mismanagement and the SANFL's seemingly absurd infatuation with remaining the "2nd best competition in the land".
Yes, that is for the latest lot. You've been taking money from the SANFL hand over first for a decade.
I don't understand Port supporters constant denial of the obvious. I guess its the realisation that the entity you hate is the one that was keeping the blood flowing.
Macca19
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Well Gillians attempt at diverting the topic surely wasn't an acknowledgement.
I'm not even going to bother heading down this path, we all know it will get us know where.
edit - I might add, I'm not suggesting the SANFL is perfect either.
Macca19
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lucky for the SANFL they only have to come up with $5.75M...which is peanuts
On any note, I think we can agree, Football in this state is some need of reform, quite frankly the SANFL and Port almost falling over, with the Crows struggling - should help that.
Of which $6 million is a loan that has to be repaid relating to Port.
Macca, I respect your loyalty to your club as always, but the facts are undeniable.
Port Adelaide are a financial basket case on financial life support, and the flow-on effect of this is that they have drained the SANFL reserves, who now have to borrow off of the AFL because no commercial lender will lend them any more money - the SANFL recently stated that they have no more capacity to borrow money.
