The Syrian War

[Elroo]

No U.S bases. No NATO. Golan should be entirely Syrian but also demilitarised entirely - no Syrian military bases or forces anywhere on the heights. I think the U.N abandoned peacekeeping there after all those blue helmets from the Philippines and Fiji were assaulted by Syrian rebel groups but maybe the mission there could be reinstated.

UN Observers including Australian ADF members serving on Op Paladin still work as US Observers in the Golan heights, Amman – Jordan, Beirut – Lebanon, Cairo & Ismalia – Arab Republic of Egypt (ARE), Gaza, Damascus, Tiberius – Israel, Naquoura, Nahariya, Jerusalem and Tel Aviv

Operations – Australian Peacekeeper and Peacemaker Veterans’ Association (APPVA)

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• Operation PALADIN
  
  Australian Deployment Dates: 1956 to ongoing.
  
  Strength: Total estimated to be 700. 12 personnel at any given time. Continual 12 month tours.
  
  Area of Operations (AO): Syria (including the Golan Heights) Amman – Jordan, Beirut – Lebanon, Cairo & Ismalia – Arab Republic of Egypt (ARE), Gaza, Damascus, Tiberius – Israel, Naquoura, Nahariya, Jerusalem and Tel Aviv.
  
  Purpose: In April 1948 a Truce Commission was established to supervise the various armistices and truces after the first Arab-Israeli War. In mid-June 1948 military observers were added to the Commission and UNTSO was formed, becoming an independent observer mission in mid-August 1949. UNTSO has continued to supervise subsequent ceasefires after the 1956, 1967, 1973 and 1982 Arab-Israeli Wars. UNTSO’s area of operations covers Lebanon, Syria, Israel, Jordan and Egypt. Australia’s involvement in the mission commenced in 1956.​

 

[Taylor]

I thought the rise in nationalism was a direct result of the EU watering down national identity.

 

[Total Power]

I thought the rise in nationalism was a direct result of the EU watering down national identity.

It wasn't a problem till the migration crisis of 2015. Brexit was a direct result of that.

Very well played by Farage and Banks.

The far right been as strong as it's ever been in Europe.

 

[Taylor]

It wasn't a problem till the migration crisis of 2015. Brexit was a direct result of that.

Very well played by Farage and Banks.

The far right been as strong as it's ever been in Europe.

It would appear that people are happy with the one culture, one giant land for all idea when everyone around them is the same culture living the same way.

Seemingly as soon as they are introduced to people who have grown up in different contexts that illusion shatters.

 

[Total Power]

It would appear that people are happy with the one culture, one giant land for all idea when everyone around them is the same culture living the same way.

Seemingly as soon as they are introduced to people who have grown up in different contexts that illusion shatters.

Visegrad countries are surveyed to be the least "secular" in EU. It's a bit rich, considering how many of them live and work in Scandinavia and Western Europe. And all this is possible because of EU.

I live in Bulgaria and they hate brown people (not everyone but you know what i mean), but just look at the number of Bulgarians living and working elsewhere in Europe.

As an ideology nationalism is cool, but it's just nothing more than that.

 

[Les Malone]

It wasn't a problem till the migration crisis of 2015. Brexit was a direct result of that.

Very well played by Farage and Banks.

The far right been as strong as it's ever been in Europe.

That is incorrect, also Farage and Banks are not far right, neither is Nationalism.

 

[Les Malone]

Visegrad countries are surveyed to be the least "secular" in EU. It's a bit rich, considering how many of them live and work in Scandinavia and Western Europe. And all this is possible because of EU.

I live in Bulgaria and they hate brown people (not everyone but you know what i mean), but just look at the number of Bulgarians living and working elsewhere in Europe.

As an ideology nationalism is cool, but it's just nothing more than that.

As usual you get not liking brown people or whatever you color you choose for the day and nationalism mixed up.

It seems you cant post without conflating them.

 

[Marcel Proust]

UN Observers including Australian ADF members serving on Op Paladin still work as US Observers in the Golan heights, Amman – Jordan, Beirut – Lebanon, Cairo & Ismalia – Arab Republic of Egypt (ARE), Gaza, Damascus, Tiberius – Israel, Naquoura, Nahariya, Jerusalem and Tel Aviv

Operations – Australian Peacekeeper and Peacemaker Veterans’ Association (APPVA)

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The Genie Energy board is a who's who of flogs. Murdoch. Rothschild. Etc.

 

[awaremind]

That is incorrect, also Farage and Banks are not far right, neither is Nationalism.

Nationalism mainly aims to preserve the strength, culture and unity of nations in order to preserve diversity of human culture and race. It’s not inherently bad, in fact, since leaving university my opinion on nationalism has completely changed, and I see it, in itself as positive.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Nationalism mainly aims to preserve the strength, culture and unity of nations in order to preserve diversity of human culture and race. It’s not inherently bad, in fact, since leaving university my opinion on nationalism has completely changed, and I see it, in itself as positive.

Like Japan

 

[Total Power]

Nationalism mainly aims to preserve the strength, culture and unity of nations in order to preserve diversity of human culture and race. It’s not inherently bad, in fact, since leaving university my opinion on nationalism has completely changed, and I see it, in itself as positive.

I was recently in India and i can tell you that not all Nationalisms are the same. To put it more bluntly, the charade of fascistic nationalism of European history which is built on hate and exclusion of an out-group(which RSS, BJP are copying In India), rather than the more genuine people-centric forms of Nationalism. (Japan).

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Nationalism mainly aims to preserve the strength, culture and unity of nations in order to preserve diversity of human culture and race. It’s not inherently bad, in fact, since leaving university my opinion on nationalism has completely changed, and I see it, in itself as positive.

My problem is not nationalism in and of itself, it's the xenophobia and blind jingoism that often goes hand in hand with it. And the accusations peddled by some nationalists, that their political opponents are unpatriotic or treasonous for not virtue signalling nationalism as hard as they do.

 

[Thegibbsgamble]

Second largest military in nato lol..

The activities of Erdogan’s Shadow Army in Syria

www.syriatimes.sy

 

[WeetBixKid]

lol

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

I thought the rise in nationalism was a direct result of the EU watering down national identity.

Seems odd to attribute it to a single factor.

Why is it rising in non-EU nations? Just a fluke?

 

[Taylor]

Seems odd to attribute it to a single factor.

Why is it rising in non-EU nations? Just a fluke?

I expect that a side effect of being able to have cameras broadcasting across nearly the entire planet is that people see how others live, see it as a direct comparison to how live and then react.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

I expect that a side effect of being able to have cameras broadcasting across nearly the entire planet is that people see how others live, see it as a direct comparison to how live and then react.

So you do attribute to a single factor?

 

[Taylor]

So you do attribute to a single factor?

If we can boil it down to "people being more aware of the differences of human existence outside of their current sphere of reality and the cause and implication of that" then yes.

Now my version of that awareness could be different from your version depending on where and how we came to the awakening of understanding and that will usually determine the sort of reaction, hence the political disagreements.

But that's where I think all nationalism comes from.

They do it different, for better or worse - I enjoy our version of different and if I care about it enough then I might see actions as being threatening to that version of different that will result in a worse/different outcome and sometimes that actions threatening their different can actually be inaction.

People are very driven by the base feelings, the primary one is fear and one of the best ways to make someone scared is to make them insecure and unstable in their own world of rationalizations and effectively mental gymnastic bullshit we have layered up since we started developing a personality.

An issue with that is that even though we have such information at our fingertips we know we don't have it all. We don't really know much of anything but we can find answers on the machine. Deep down we know we don't have the capacity to explore everything, which leads to confirmation biases, but also in the majority of the things we know that we don't know there is a big fear lurking - because "what if?". This is where conspiracy theories come from.

Sorry, that was a bit of a deep dive into it.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

If we can boil it down to "people being more aware of the differences of human existence outside of their current sphere of reality and the cause and implication of that" then yes.

Now my version of that awareness could be different from your version depending on where and how we came to the awakening of understanding and that will usually determine the sort of reaction, hence the political disagreements.

But that's where I think all nationalism comes from.

They do it different, for better or worse - I enjoy our version of different and if I care about it enough then I might see actions as being threatening to that version of different that will result in a worse/different outcome and sometimes that actions threatening their different can actually be inaction.

People are very driven by the base feelings, the primary one is fear and one of the best ways to make someone scared is to make them insecure and unstable in their own world of rationalizations and effectively mental gymnastic bullshit we have layered up since we started developing a personality.

An issue with that is that even though we have such information at our fingertips we know we don't have it all. We don't really know much of anything but we can find answers on the machine. Deep down we know we don't have the capacity to explore everything, which leads to confirmation biases, but also in the majority of the things we know that we don't know there is a big fear lurking - because "what if?". This is where conspiracy theories come from.

Sorry, that was a bit of a deep dive into it.

It's interesting that you ignore any of the economic realities that drive nationalism in most cases.

 

[Taylor]

It's interesting that you ignore any of the economic realities that drive nationalism in most cases.

That's included in what I said.

 

[Del191229]

Bashar won.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Bashar won.

Aren't Turkey still fighting? They're the reason the war is still going.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Bashar won.

Lost to rice farmers not surprising they couldn't beat Syria

 

[Del191229]

Aren't Turkey still fighting? They're the reason the war is still going.

Turks are fighting the Kurds in the north.

 

[Del191229]

Saudi has got the message from Biden that there'll be no war on Iran.