The Syrian War
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Ba'athism is the lesser of two evils in this instance.
Either way it's a bad situation. The sectarian tensions are not going away even if the war is coming to an end.
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At least Ba'athism isn't predicated on genocide and enslavement.
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If Saudi and Iran are making nice, it will dampen them down a great deal.
Well, at least it looks like somebody might win the war after all.
Assad's rule is just about over.
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Assad flees as Syrian capital falls to rebels
The president flew out of Damascus for an unknown destination as rebels say they have entered the capital with no sign of army deployments.
But who are the ones taking over? Hayat Tahrir al-Sham are the fundamentalist jihadis out of Idlib Provice who want to form an Islamic government similar in vein to the Taliban. They used to be an al Qaeda affiliate until they broke away.Assad's rule is just about over.
Assad flees as Syrian capital falls to rebels
The president flew out of Damascus for an unknown destination as rebels say they have entered the capital with no sign of army deployments.
Assad, for all his murderous faults was at least nominally secular. I would be very careful about celebrating the fall of Assad considering what will replace him.
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Reports Assad has fled, and his plane may have been shot down.
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The Syrian people lose under the current regime and likely lose again with change
Ordinary people rarely win
Ordinary people rarely win
Supposedly HTS has been claiming they'll support minority rights. Now that's probably a lie to gain some international legitimacy, but they are being speculated to do this:
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Imagine if it was the Russians shooting it down.
I know Simpkinbythedockofthebay has now deleted their account, but I guess this was premature.
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As Assadâs power crumbles, Turkey, Iran and Russia disagree on way forward for Syria
Foreign powers urge opposition groups to end fighting and preserve single, united country at talks in Qatar
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No the end of the war. It is just an end of one party of that war.
I am shocked it happened so quickly.
I am shocked it happened so quickly.
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We've seen this script before with Iraq and Libya.
No doubt Assad was a brutal dictator, but I don't get the impression his successor(s) will be any better.
Once Russia and Iran became preoccupied with other conflicts, the Assad regime's days were numbered.
No doubt Assad was a brutal dictator, but I don't get the impression his successor(s) will be any better.
Once Russia and Iran became preoccupied with other conflicts, the Assad regime's days were numbered.
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The question is are HTS going to engage in a peace process to grant some form of democracy to Syria, or are they going to attempt to seize outright power. And what will Russia and Iran do with their ally having apparently disintegrated as a force on the ground - will they play spoiler and try to prevent a solution emerging?
That's the problem any decent unifying figure has been long since killed by Assad, now it is down to whomever has the most guns and even more brutality
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Obviously there is much to be uncovered, but when seeking to clarify political reality one should always go back to the primordial principle "cui bono"?
...and of course, it is the US and Israel.
Here is what Jake Sullivan said:
"We don’t cry over the fact that the Assad government, backed by Russia, Iran and Hezbollah, are facing certain kinds of pressure. We have seen activity in Syria coming off of all the other things we have seen in the Middle East and Ukraine and elsewhere, that is something that is the natural result of those adversaries ending up in a weaker strategic position.”
The US and NATO powers began their campaign for regime change in Syria in 2011 with their support for the Syrian opposition to Assad.
Now, with Hezbollah drastically weakened, and Russia absorbed by the war in Ukraine, their objective has been achieved.
...and of course, it is the US and Israel.
Here is what Jake Sullivan said:
"We don’t cry over the fact that the Assad government, backed by Russia, Iran and Hezbollah, are facing certain kinds of pressure. We have seen activity in Syria coming off of all the other things we have seen in the Middle East and Ukraine and elsewhere, that is something that is the natural result of those adversaries ending up in a weaker strategic position.”
The US and NATO powers began their campaign for regime change in Syria in 2011 with their support for the Syrian opposition to Assad.
Now, with Hezbollah drastically weakened, and Russia absorbed by the war in Ukraine, their objective has been achieved.
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I think you are forgetting something...US troops occupy territory in Syria. It is estimated that there are 900 there, with the stated purpose (under Trump I) of stealing Syrian oil.
It is not just a question of what Iran and Russia will do, but far more so what the US (and their sidekick Israel) will do.
The US proxy force, the Syrian Democratic Forces, are involved in the current offensive which has overthrown Assad.
The US has issued a statement categorically denying its involvement in the offensive. This statement is not worth the audio bytes which it took to announce.
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Jolani seems like a reasonable chap
Turned more moderate recently and is well educated and hopefully pragmatic in his approach
Russia has seemingly abandoned Syria ... so let us see what happens
Iran leadership must be getting nervous
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Is Assad dead?
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Some say he is in Abu Dhabi .... others say Russia
We will find out soon enough
We will find out soon enough
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