The Tarrant Collingwood saga

[DrJon]

No, I see your point exactly, I expanded the scope of who Freo could have taken in that draft beyond just those that Collingwood took.

I completely agree with using the draft as a first port of call to get players. There are many who support Freo who don't believe this, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Geff, so you suggest never trading early draft picks? While the Tarrant trade didn't work out completely, much of it is down to the fact that we couldn't persuade him to stay.

There are plemty of examples of early traded draft picks working out extremely well. It's not always one thing or the other.

 

[Thommo 42]

what, no collingwood supporters mentioning anthony rocca? oh, must've forgotten that one aye?...

I was happy with the Jolly trade, we got as good a deal as we could've gotten under the circumstances...and the tarrant deal ended up being fair in the end...the ball fiasco is debatable...

my problem is, you've got 3 players in 2 years who specifically nominated Collingwood to the detrement of their old teams... Collingwood have obviously gotten in their ears, perhaps even just gave them a great presentation on the club and the players were sold...but for whatever reason, these players specifically chose Collingwood...limiting their old clubs ability to bargain...

with Jolly, the swans were happy to help him get back to Melbourne for "family reasons"...but why should the swans HAVE TO only deal with Collingwood, there were several other clubs who would've been interested in Jolly...but we had to take what Collingwood gave us....and lets remember, unlike Ball & Tarrant, Jolly was a CONTRACTED PLAYER...

Collingwood weren't in a position to rape us... but the fact that Jolly nominated Collingwood as the sole club, meant that they didn't have to go up against the rest of the market...

Jolly didn't nominate Collingwood, we were the only club offering up a good enough deal. He was happy enough to go to the Hawks, but they had earmarked their #9 pick for Burgoyne and weren't in a position to get a deal done.

Having said that, this sort of thing happens all the time. Only this week, Justin Sherman refused to talk to Sydney and only wanted to go to Melbourne and preferably the Bulldogs. So even though Sydney were offering a better deal and earlier pick, Brisbane were forced to deal with the Bulldogs.

This is how trades work, a player can't be traded unless he agrees to it. So if a player nominates a club, he will often get there. Same with Aker and the Bulldogs. They got him for a 3rd round pick and I dare say a few other clubs would have been happy to pay more than that, but he wanted to go to the Dogs.

The only time a player won't demand his destination club is if he's a fringe quality player at best, and he needs to go wherever he can get an opportunity.

Some players nominate clubs because they know those particular clubs are the only ones that can get a deal done. eg. Juddy. He nominated Carlton, even if he nominated Collingwood - we never would have been able to come up with an equitable trade for him.

 

[Jentleman Geff]

Geff, so you suggest never trading early draft picks? While the Tarrant trade didn't work out completely, much of it is down to the fact that we couldn't persuade him to stay.

He was never going to stay. He had no desire to play for Freo.

It didn't work out at all. The trade was meant to result in a premiership. Instead we missed the finals, finished in the bottom four for two years, and eventually won a final, in the year Tarrant contributed the least.

There are plemty of examples of early traded draft picks working out extremely well. It's not always one thing or the other.

The two draft picks we used in the trade are already success stories. We could have had one of a Coleman medallist or a premiership winning key position defender.

Instead we are left with pick 55. How any Freo fan could defend that is beyond me.

 

[yeee_haaaa!!!!!]

all the sooky la las on here from other clubs whingeing about coll and their hard ball trading tactics are just adding some cream to the off season premiership winning feeling

not so long ago most of them were laughing at coll because they could supposedly "never land a big fish"? carl fans gave it to us because we didn't land judd, saints fans because of gehrig and even lockett before him, port and nick stevens, etc. to top it off we had lost the likes of nick davis for nothing and copped plenty on that front as well

well how the wheel turns. in the space of 12 months we land jolly and ball (and a flag) and now tarrant. and all the precious princesses have got nothing to bag us about except for our hard line trading tactics??? suck it up ladies

 

[eddiesmith]

****ing Collingwood, pay Freo for what Tarrant's worth you stingy bastards. Seriously Freo should do a deal with another club just to piss him and Collingwood off.

Well Freo wouldnt accept pick 55 so why would they accept 155?

Why is it Collingwood or nothing for Tarrant?

I understand that his wife wants them to go back to Victoria, which is fine. But there's nine other clubs there, a few of which are interested in Tarrant and would be prepared to beat Collingwood's offer. Why is he not prepared to go anywhere else?

Because he left to play in a premiership and now with 2 years remaining he realises what an idiot he was and that his former club is in the best position over those 2 years

 

[DrJon]

Well put. Sadly there are many out there in Freo land who will deny we ever made a mistake, and should pursue the strategy we did with Tarrant in 2006 again (and again and again).

I've never heard any Freo supporter speak about doing this. Almost all Freo fans would have to be happy with the trading and drafting strategy since 2007. No-one I know of seriously believed we could get something akin to the 2006 trade now.

I don't deny, with the benefit of hindsight, that it was a mistake that we traded so much for Tarrant in 2006 but I can see the merits in the move and where the club thought it could go in 2007.

 

[Jentleman Geff]

I've never heard any Freo supporter speak about doing this. Almost all Freo fans would have to be happy with the trading and drafting strategy since 2007. No-one I know of seriously believed we could get something akin to the 2006 trade now.

There are plenty of examples - I don't really wish to go into them here. It seems to be a problem when it comes to KPP/ruck trades, and people believe we should go hell for leather in order to get them. The frottaging when Clark's name was floated around is testament to that.

I don't deny, with the benefit of hindsight, that it was a mistake that we traded so much for Tarrant in 2006 but I can see the merits in the move and where the club thought it could go in 2007.

Many saw the looming disaster on the horizon as our midfield was average and on the verge of retiring. The last thing we were desperately crying out for was a KP forward over the age of 25.

Didn't need hindsight anyway. We had enough evidence in our recent history to suggest the move was a poor one.

 

[Cudi_420]

People are acting as if Tarrant is the most amazing pick up in the history of the game. It was a pretty standard trade. Collingwood have had two fantastic trade periods over the past two years, both of which have really helped their team. Trades should only be made when it makes the team better, be it in the long-term or short-term. Tarrant gives Collingwood a replacement for Presti, and a back-up should Tarrant go down. They now have two reliant tall defenders as opposed to one.

And who would have thought we'd be calling Tarrant a reliable defender five years ago...!?

 

[Off The Couch]

all the sooky la las on here from other clubs whingeing about coll and their hard ball trading tactics are just adding some cream to the off season premiership winning feeling

This had nothing to do with hard ball trading tactics but more to do with tarrant saying he would only go to collingwood. Fair enough it's where he started his career and it is great that he will finish his career back there but let's be real, it had nothing to do with good trading but more that Tarrant obviously forgetting who it was that turned his career around decided he wasn't going to repay that and get the best deal possible for the dockers.

 

[Art Corvelay]

my problem is, you've got 3 players in 2 years who specifically nominated Collingwood to the detrement of their old teams... Collingwood have obviously gotten in their ears, perhaps even just gave them a great presentation on the club and the players were sold...but for whatever reason, these players specifically chose Collingwood..

I know right? It's almost like the players said they wanted to go to a club who had the potential to win a flag in the very near future. I guess Jolly & Ball were vindicated with their decisions

 

[jerry springer]

and lets remember, unlike Ball & Tarrant, Jolly was a CONTRACTED PLAYER...

no one held a gun to Sydney's head and forced you to trade Jolly....if you didnt trade him he would of had to fufill his contract just like Walker now has to for Carlton,Hill for the dogs etc,etc

 

[jerry springer]

was only mid 2009 that Collingwood were getting lambasted for not being able to land a "big fish"

amazing how quickly the tide has turned

 

[Saint KFC]

And Collingwood supporters wonder why they're hated.

 

[Rookie]

Geez.


I think it's pretty straight forward.
Tarrant has said my family and I want to return to Victoria. He will return to Victoria, having fulfilled his contractual commitments to Fremantle and if he can gain employment with his prefered employer, Collingwood, he will continue to play football. If not he will work in another field.

This is an incredibly accurate summarisation of the whole situation. Tarrant isn't doing anything wrong, the Pies aren't totally desperate for him; it's the AFL system which is causing the issue. And Freo are getting screwed.

It's possible for Freo have gotten screwed (received less for Tarrant than he's worth) and still for neither Tarrant nor Collingwood to be at fault.

Blame the system.

 

[back pocket]

Disappointed to lose Taz. Whether he wanted to be at Freo or not, I thought he still gave us his all... I've always been happy with that trade - he certainly helped transform the club into a competitive outfit, and his work with our young defenders in the last 2 years has been great.

As far as I'm concerned, there's nothing wrong or underhanded about any of this. I genuinely believe he deserves a crack at a premiership, and why not with his original club?

 

[Invigoration]

And Collingwood supporters wonder why they're hated.

Sorry, in the future we'll offer up our arses instead of going to town on yours just so we can be better liked

 

[master bate]

was only mid 2009 that Collingwood were getting lambasted for not being able to land a "big fish"

amazing how quickly the tide has turned

Who's the big fish? Jolly is a very good ruckman who you paid an appropriate price for but I wouldn't call him a big fish. Every club already has a clearance midfielder like Luke Ball, you had O'Bree, don't get caught up in the sentiment on Ball he's not a big fish. Tarrant is a nice pick up, but is 30.

I remember the days you were trying to land guys like Jonathan Brown in the peak of his career. In my view landing Brad Green in 2008 would have been getting a bigger fish than any of those guys, not that he would have helped you win a flag like Jolly has.

 

[buckstheking]

Who's the big fish? Jolly is a very good ruckman who you paid an appropriate price for but I wouldn't call him a big fish. Every club already has a clearance midfielder like Luke Ball, you had O'Bree, don't get caught up in the sentiment on Ball he's not a big fish. Tarrant is a nice pick up, but is 30.

I remember the days you were trying to land guys like Jonathan Brown in the peak of his career. In my view landing Brad Green in 2008 would have been getting a bigger fish than any of those guys, not that he would have helped you win a flag like Jolly has.

Surely you dont believe this ?

Jolly was a HUGE factor in 2010.

 

[jerry springer]

Who's the big fish? Jolly is a very good ruckman who you paid an appropriate price for but I wouldn't call him a big fish. Every club already has a clearance midfielder like Luke Ball, you had O'Bree, don't get caught up in the sentiment on Ball he's not a big fish. Tarrant is a nice pick up, but is 30.

I remember the days you were trying to land guys like Jonathan Brown in the peak of his career. In my view landing Brad Green in 2008 would have been getting a bigger fish than any of those guys, not that he would have helped you win a flag like Jolly has.

you just answered your own question

 

[Invigoration]

Who's the big fish? Jolly is a very good ruckman who you paid an appropriate price for but I wouldn't call him a big fish. Every club already has a clearance midfielder like Luke Ball, you had O'Bree, don't get caught up in the sentiment on Ball he's not a big fish. Tarrant is a nice pick up, but is 30.

I remember the days you were trying to land guys like Jonathan Brown in the peak of his career. In my view landing Brad Green in 2008 would have been getting a bigger fish than any of those guys, not that he would have helped you win a flag like Jolly has.

If Jolly isn't a big fish, who do you actually consider the big fishes landed over the last decade to be (Chris Judd is a given)?

 

[footyfreak]

Poor form Collingwood HQ

WTF?

So you want Collingwood to pay more for him than they need too and help out a competitor just for the hell of it?

You are seriously lacking in grey matter and it concerns me that someone with this mental capacity who also writes fantasy news articles about being interviewed by Dennis Commetti re supercoach will be responsible for teaching the youth of this country!

I suppose you pay well over the odds for everyday items because it isn't fair that the big multinationals screw the little guy as well?

You need to stay in your fantasy football world because you have NFI about the real one! Every club pays the minimum required in trades every time! To do otherwise would be dereliction of their duty to their members!

 

[Invigoration]

WTF?

So you want Collingwood to pay more for him than they need too and help out a competitor just for the hell of it?

If any other club pulled this off everyone else would be blowing smoke up their arse telling them how awesome they were to pull such a bargain.

Collingwood do it and it's sour grapes all round, 'Collingwood rorting the AFL' etc etc. Don't direct your anger towards us, it clearly should be aimed at your own clubs who simply aren't stepping up their game to the level of Collingwood.
If your own club was as shrewd and ruthless as Collingwood at the table and continually came out with wins like this you'd have no socks left to ejaculate in after the first day of trade week.

 

[mysainters]

Quite the romantic trade.

 

[Saint KFC]

Sorry, in the future we'll offer up our arses instead of going to town on yours just so we can be better liked

So many of you are just ****ing w***ers, plain and simple. Posts like this only abet the stereotype.

 

[stevebull]

what, no collingwood supporters mentioning anthony rocca? oh, must've forgotten that one aye?...

I was happy with the Jolly trade, we got as good a deal as we could've gotten under the circumstances...and the tarrant deal ended up being fair in the end...the ball fiasco is debatable...

my problem is, you've got 3 players in 2 years who specifically nominated Collingwood to the detrement of their old teams... Collingwood have obviously gotten in their ears, perhaps even just gave them a great presentation on the club and the players were sold...but for whatever reason, these players specifically chose Collingwood...limiting their old clubs ability to bargain...

with Jolly, the swans were happy to help him get back to Melbourne for "family reasons"...but why should the swans HAVE TO only deal with Collingwood, there were several other clubs who would've been interested in Jolly...but we had to take what Collingwood gave us....and lets remember, unlike Ball & Tarrant, Jolly was a CONTRACTED PLAYER...

Collingwood weren't in a position to rape us... but the fact that Jolly nominated Collingwood as the sole club, meant that they didn't have to go up against the rest of the market...

So as a contracted player you did not have to take anything for him, if I remember correctly the year before O'Keefe wanted to return to Melbourne, you said no deal he stays & played ok this year, could of done the same with Jolly then he probably would of gone to the GC as an uncontracted player & been traded back to a Melbourne club.

I repeat if he was CONTRACTED player you can make him work out his contract if not happy with the deal. Or you say to him we will get the best deal we can from any Melbourne based club if you truelly want to move back now. How hard is that.