The war against renewable energy

[nut]

94% of new car sales in Norway in August were FULLY electric cars. They must be stupid .
11,000 cars were sold … about 300 ICE cars.
Only 3.2% hybrid.
A third of all cars now electric.

Toyota takes surprise lead as battery EVs account for 94 pct of new car sales in Norway

EVs account for 94 per cent of new car sales in Norway, with the list of best sellers topped by a global car giant that has focused on hybrids.

thedriven.io

 

[nut]

S.A. have 253MWH worth of battery. You know its primarily for grid balance right?
To put that in context , they couldn't run Portland Aluminium Plant on it for an Hour.

yes it’s designed to supply power during peak times. Thus reducing massively the reliance on unreliable fossil fuel generators.

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

94% of new car sales in Norway in August were FULLY electric cars. They must be stupid .
11,000 cars were sold … about 300 ICE cars.
Only 3.2% hybrid.
A third of all cars now electric.

Toyota takes surprise lead as battery EVs account for 94 pct of new car sales in Norway

EVs account for 94 per cent of new car sales in Norway, with the list of best sellers topped by a global car giant that has focused on hybrids.

thedriven.io

People are buying EVs for no other reason that they are cheaper. EVs are exempt from the 25% VAT as well as emission tax. The government is subsidising EVs to offset the emissions from the oil and gas they produce and sell.

This is not a good example of the true competitiveness of EV vs HEV vs ICE.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

yes it’s designed to supply power during peak times. Thus reducing massively the reliance on unreliable fossil fuel generators.

No its designed to stabilize the grid when the renewable electricity fluctuates , remarkably like the weather.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

People are buying EVs for no other reason that they are cheaper. EVs are exempt from the 25% VAT as well as emission tax. The government is subsidising EVs to offset the emissions from the oil and gas they produce and sell.

This is not a good example of the true competitiveness of EV vs HEV vs ICE.

All we need is a huge number of glaciers to feed dams, to have a huge amount of cheap reliable Hydro electricity per capita like Norway do, it should be easy to emulate them.

( Mind you their entire population is around that of Melbourne ).

 

[SaintsSeptember]

My point has always been we are 6 years into a REAL move towards renewables, And that move needs mass storage. With out storage we are stuck with coal.
The Battery in SA basically solved their grid issues overnight.
Yes the national grid is a grid and the states will work together.
We will be reliant on gas for 10-15 years as coal closes.
But there is an End and it’ll happen a lot faster than people think.

When they are short of power they BUY electricity from Victoria.

 

[nut]

People are buying EVs for no other reason that they are cheaper. EVs are exempt from the 25% VAT as well as emission tax. The government is subsidising EVs to offset the emissions from the oil and gas they produce and sell.

This is not a good example of the true competitiveness of EV vs HEV vs ICE.

and we subsidise fossil fuels.

Initial cost is one factor … main factor is running cost. Norway has cheap renewable energy.

 

[nut]

When they are short of power they BUY electricity from Victoria.

That’s how the grid is supposed to work … when they have excess power will buy cheap from them.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

and we subsidise fossil fuels.

Initial cost is one factor … main factor is running cost. Norway has cheap renewable energy.

Lets copy them and build Fiords all over Australia with Glaciers above them.
Then we can be clever like the Norwegians.

( IE Right place right time ).

 

[SaintsSeptember]

That’s how the grid is supposed to work … when they have excess power will buy cheap from them.

Victoria ( and soon NSW ) buy a smidgeon of Solar when its plentiful and cheap.
If there is a shortage of Power in the Eastern States, they simply don't have enough to do anything for us.

That's why its not the NSW government paying the bulk of the NSW/SA link.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

People are buying EVs for no other reason that they are cheaper. EVs are exempt from the 25% VAT as well as emission tax. The government is subsidising EVs to offset the emissions from the oil and gas they produce and sell.

This is not a good example of the true competitiveness of EV vs HEV vs ICE.

EV's will be cheaper than petrol cars. The issue is largely that legacy car brands have been caught napping and can't produce affordable EV's yet.

There are simply no mature markets outside of China.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

EV's will be cheaper than petrol cars. The issue is largely that legacy car brands have been caught napping and can't produce affordable EV's yet.

There are simply no mature markets outside of China.

General motors and Nissan were amongst the first to sell EV's.
The Nissan Leaf has been on sale longer than any Tesla in Australia.

What do you think is the special IP that lets you make "affordable" EV's? Who has it?

 

[nut]

General motors and Nissan were amongst the first to sell EV's.
The Nissan Leaf has been on sale longer than any Tesla in Australia.

What do you think is the special IP that lets you make "affordable" EV's? Who has it?

The Nissan leaf had a poor reputation due to early battery technology. That’s all fixed now.
People are replacing their batteries with much bigger batteries and putting new life into them.
Only $12k for a 60kw battery installed and I’m certain the Nissan leaf is V2G ready, so it’s a cheap way to get a large home battery that you can drive around.
Nissan, along with other legacy car makers are in serious financial danger, they admit they have missed the boat and no amount of tariffs will save them.

This will give his car a other 10 years of cheap driving.

 

[nut]

Here is a good video on V2G…
As the Dutch guy said … it can kill gas.

 

[nut]

These will save mining sites millions in fuel costs.

Rivian R1T electric pick-up confirmed for Australia - carsales.com.au

Aussie miners will soon take delivery of full-size battery-electric 4x4 dual-cab, courtesy of MEVCO and SEA

www.carsales.com.au

 

[nut]

Lets copy them and build Fiords all over Australia with Glaciers above them.
Then we can be clever like the Norwegians.

( IE Right place right time ).

No they had forward thinking using their comparative advantage.
We have wind and solar… so let’s use our massive advantage.
There are countries literally bemused that we would consider more expensive options.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

The Nissan leaf had a poor reputation due to early battery technology. That’s all fixed now.
People are replacing their batteries with much bigger batteries and putting new life into them.
Only $12k for a 60kw battery installed and I’m certain the Nissan leaf is V2G ready, so it’s a cheap way to get a large home battery that you can drive around.
Nissan, along with other legacy car makers are in serious financial danger, they admit they have missed the boat and no amount of tariffs will save them.

This will give his car a other 10 years of cheap driving.

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Where do they admit that they missed the boat. In GM's case they regret that they sold the farm to invest in Electric cars.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

No they had forward thinking using their comparative advantage.
We have wind and solar… so let’s use our massive advantage.
There are countries literally bemused that we would consider more expensive options.

Forward thinking phhht.
Just about everyone who has suitable geography used hydro, including Tasmania.

NO COUNTRY IS RUNNING 24 HOUR ON WIND AND SOLAR.
IT IS ONLY CHEAP WHEN ITS AVAILABLE. is this so hard to understand.
Batteries for Grid storage are not cheap, Snowy II is not cheap, none of the options for storage are cheap.

 

[nut]

Forward thinking phhht.
Just about everyone who has suitable geography used hydro, including Tasmania.

NO COUNTRY IS RUNNING 24 HOUR ON WIND AND SOLAR.
IT IS ONLY CHEAP WHEN ITS AVAILABLE. is this so hard to understand.
Batteries for Grid storage are not cheap, Snowy II is not cheap, none of the options for storage are cheap.

Batteries ARE cheap.
Snowy 2 will work out cheap.
You just need to be patient.

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

Interesting. The facts are we currently produce 90 million bbl/day and have 57 years of proven oil reserves left. About half of the production is used to produce gasoline.

 

[nut]

Interesting

…. Was that from the comedy channel?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Batteries ARE cheap.
Snowy 2 will work out cheap.
You just need to be patient.

They are building a 2.4GWH battery in victoria. Its going to cost 2 Billion Dollars.
They will probably want payback in 5 years or less.

It would produce the output of Loy Yang for 45 minutes.

So they will be expecting to earn $400 million per year in electricity sales profit.

A Brand new coal power station would cost a Billion, but have higher operating costs but also a longer operating life.

Nuclear Power is just going up and up, and they are talking something like 24 Billion.

A Battery to cover Loy Yang for several days ( and several days of low wind /low solar is totally possible ) would cost more than the Nuclear Power plant .

Its just not a simple thing.

 

[nut]

They are building a 2.4GWH battery in victoria. Its going to cost 2 Billion Dollars.
They will probably want payback in 5 years or less.

It would produce the output of Loy Yang for 45 minutes.

So they will be expecting to earn $400 million per year in electricity sales profit.

A Brand new coal power station would cost a Billion, but have higher operating costs but also a longer operating life.

Nuclear Power is just going up and up, and they are talking something like 24 Billion.

A Battery to cover Loy Yang for several days ( and several days of low wind /low solar is totally possible ) would cost more than the Nuclear Power plant .

It’s just not a simple thing.

Yes we need more battery storage.
We are 6 years in.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

These will save mining sites millions in fuel costs.

Rivian R1T electric pick-up confirmed for Australia - carsales.com.au

Aussie miners will soon take delivery of full-size battery-electric 4x4 dual-cab, courtesy of MEVCO and SEA

www.carsales.com.au

Rivian likely to go bust.

Rivian Bankrupt in the Next 5 Years? Here Are the Odds it Happens

As the EV market struggles, companies are having difficulty gaining marketshare from Tesla. Rivian has seen its stock suffer as a result.

247wallst.com

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

Yes we need more battery storage.
We are 6 years in.

Victoria's highest electricity usage was 8GW in the middle of winter, over a period of 12 hours. Coal and gas provided 5GW of that power. So that's 60GWh of electricity that batteries have to replace. So we're 4% of the way into have a suitable renewable replacement to prevent blackouts.