The war against renewable energy
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It can be hard to tell , but i think its in the Cerato, Corolla sort of range.
Best to read a review where they talk about legroom and luggage room.
Car makers are all moving to SUv's because they can sell you a bit of extra room for 10 grand.
One of the most blatant is the Mazda 2 based Mazda CX3. Same engine, same power, same interior room or less, more weight so less economy and performance than the 2. ( They also have the CX5 based on the Mazda 3).
I really really wanted an MG to be suitable for my son, but i kept getting bad reviews. And while the warranty is long, there are not many parts in Australia. ( People report being off the road for weeks ).
Having a bit of a look at Carsales now.
A 2018 Nissan Leaf with only 4000Km on it for $24000 looks like an absolute bargain.
A 2019 Hyundai Ioniq with 6000km for $27000.
A 2022 Leaf with 7000 for $30 000.
MG's easily the cheapest from the Low $30 thousandish mark.
You can still get some 2023 Model Year Leaf's brand new for around $35 and they are good cars.
You might get a small SUV by BYD or Chery for around $40 000. BYD would be my choice, they've done very well on reliability surveys in China, and they are a far bigger manufacturer than MG.
I think the Chery is similar reliability to MG, but wow they look swish.
You get to around $50 000 and suddenly all sorts of choices, but still mostly SUV's.
Just looked on the Hyundai site $130 000+ for a goddam hyundai....wtf? ok i see it starts at only $65k....feeling sick. MG looking better.
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I didn't have to. Your own links called out the misleading statements re Gencosts and the other classic that California had developed the equivalent of 20 nuclear reactors but a quick fact check highlighted california couldn't provide enough clean energy to last a few hours in the night and was dirty. Same said with your texas example.
yes yes all 6 minutes is noted. yes it will get better but as I highlighted I feel there will be better alternatives that last longer than minutes (up to a month) and I'd suggest they will be PFAS free, ammonia free and fire risk free
yes yes, compare one shit technology with another shit one. We aren't in the 1870s, 2020s and 2030s will need to improve on failings of old technologies, otherwise we face the same challenges just different commodities.
we have a choice of PFAS free or face an ugly future...............oh and by the way these chemicals will be banned in the EU and US (unless the renewable industry manages to lobby against it (sound kinda big oil and gas familiar?). We have set up steering committees to follow suit here but our government is hopelessly conflicted and will no doubt cave in to industry.
again you ignore the facts
How do you charge your electric car? - ABC listen
Some people who don't have off-street parking or want to charge their car in the middle of the working day are resorting to running cables from their home or work power-points, which can create safety issues or trip circuits.
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"have banned staff from charging their electric cars at stations or work sites due to safety concerns and power outages."
and my stupidity? Aren't you the one advocated charging at work and at home? My comment was in light of insurance, criminal negligence and the risks, recharging will need to be on the street and we can see how clever that is by looking at London as an example
why so emotional?
Taking advantage of an arbitrage (due to a failure in renewables being reliable) means someone is paying the cost. Guess who that is as usual? The poor and ordinary
The solution is building reliability into the grid and if one thinks that is best achieved by EVs rather than a commercial solution, then that speaks volumes.
and I agree the future will be positive but the reality today is there isn't a single location on this planet with the strategy you advocate that has clean energy and $0.21c/kwh (which is cheaper than CATL can do but that's probably your dodgy maths that you ran from once challenged) BEFORE paying for the electricity is still too much. Don't forget energy cost money to produce even if one pays nothing for it, otherwise the power producer goes broke.
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MG essence $34900… 60kw battery.
MG isn’t really sold in china.
I like these, but they won't bring them here.
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Misleading to people who dont understand what the claim was…. Renewables need more than 100% because it needs to store power… that’s being built. https://www.power-technology.com/ne
“have banned staff from charging their electric cars at stations or work sites due to safety concerns and power outages."WHERE?????? I call BS… 1 fire station has banned it??? Soppy do. “As of September 2023, there have been six verified electric vehicle (EV) battery fires in Australia since 2010:
- One was caused by arson
- Three were due to an external fire
- One was caused by a crash
- One was caused by road debris penetrating the battery”
What failure of renewables???? The only reason why prices spike is the unreliability of COAL. Of we can reduce peak demand coal is dead… EVs can help that along with other storage solutions that are being built.
More dishonest posting from you… EVs connected to the grid will be apart of the mix and they can help reduce the peak demands!!! This must be too hard for you to comprehend.
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If you can’t source a battery for under $800 per kw that has a warranty of 4000 cycles… than that’s not my problem.
Lifepo4 batteries can cycle up to 8000 cycles under the right conditions…
Do you want me to do the maths again????
Solar is soooooo cheap and last 20-40 years … it’s not worth even adding it to the cost of storage.
ok I will.
My system cost 30k .. battery was 16k … let’s do over 20 years so I let’s pretend I replaced my battery at 10 years… and 16k so 46k total cost 20kw storage.
So 46,000/ 4000 / 20 =0.575 cents a kilowatt…
And that just includes the solar produced for the battery…
It’s doesn't include the other
3.5 average sunlight hours x 15kw of solar = 3.5 x 15= 52.5 -20kw for battery = 32.5 that can be used on average every single day!!!!
So 32.5 x 4000 =130,000 @ let’s say @ 20c = $26000 worth of power. That brings the total cost to $20,000
20000/4000/20=0.25c
So a home battery and solar over a 20year period/8000 cycles costs 25c per KW…. And you think a commercial operation can’t match that…. LMFAO.
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I like these, but they won't bring them here.
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XPeng Mona base model is tipped to be around $20k aus with a reported 500km range.. it’s why MG dropped their prices..
A big consideration is after sale support… MG has some history already.
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In winter you might have 8 hours of sunlight. What's more you might only get around 30% or less efficiency on any given day if its overcast or raining . ( zero is possible ).
So you need something like 20 times Solar capacity.
At $1000/ KW H ( stop talking Kw , its meaningless ), its still bloody expensive.
With a grid purely consisting of Solar and Wind electricity, days on end with minimal generation are not just possible , they are likely.
XPeng Mona base model is tipped to be around $20k aus with a reported 500km range.. it’s why MG dropped their prices..
A big consideration is after sale support… MG has some history already.
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No its not, you have poor comprehension.
Mona M03 pricing is tipped to start below CNY200,000 ($A41,300), but other models in the pipeline are expected to open at just CNY100,000 ($A20,600).
MG's after sale support is not great, they only stock parts needed for servicing in Australia. If you have something needed for warranty, you are waiting for shipment from China.
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3.5 hours is the average full sunlight hours per day in melb used to calculate solar production.
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The article is poorly written …
The base model of the XPeng Mona M03 electric coupe starts at 119,800 yuan ($16,812). This model has a driving range of 515 kilometers (320 miles) and some parking assist features
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Thankfully we will be apart of a grid… if the entire east coast of Australia experiences days on end of no sunlight and wind I’m tipping we will have more problems than a lack of electricity.
By the way, solar still works when it’s cloudy… and it’s always windy somewhere… that’s why we have scientists planning where to put solar and wind farms… strategically in places where they will produce max output. Spread out too.
Even on the worst overcast days I’ve still managed to produce excess power at my house.
Solar is so cheap you just over compensate…
If you need 8GWH of usage have 80GW of solar..
A mix of battery, Solar, wind and hydro will get us to 95% by 2035.
Having gas turbines as a back up will always be in the mix too… they just won’t be needed 99% of the time.
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Here is Monash health banning charging …. Except they don’t.. only staff cars.
There hasn’t been 1 car in Australia that has caused a fire whilst charging…
Only 6 EV car fires ….many More petroleum cars catch fire…
Please read.
Melbourne hospital group bans electric-car charging in car parks – report
Almost a dozen hospitals and medical centres in Melbourne have banned staff members from charging their electric vehicles at work.
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Are my numbers wrong?
My above example was to show how I got my numbers… @21 cents a KW … to prove a commercial entity could easily match that.
If a commercial business couldn’t get costs into the single digits per KW then they shouldn’t be in business.
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About 10mwh. Around 30kwh on average a day.
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Here is the problem. Renewables are effective 95% of the time.
1. I, and I assume most people, don't want a power grid that risk blackouts 5% of the time
2. Who is going to produce and maintain gas turbines to only run 5% or less of the time. Like the desal plant, we have to accept that we have to pay for the infrastructure, whether we use it or not.
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1. Firstly renewables make the grid more reliable… see SA blackouts since they got their battery.
2. Yes there will be a cost to run gas. But I’d hope, as we move forward, technologies will improve and the need for gas will be nil past 2035.
EVs connected to the grid can easily rid the need for Gas as an example.
If it was all government infrastructure, the answer to 2 is easy. The private model leaves lots of questions.
Who is going to invest in large solar facilities if there is already a glut during peak solar times?
We need a huge amount of overcapacity. This means that most times we will have more generation capacity than we need. If we don't there will be times when we don't have enough.
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The amount of solar production that is lost due to the grid not being able to use it is massive…
A simple example is my system … due to my battery being charged and export limits, my inverters have to scale down because the grid can’t take it.
There is probably 30kwh lost.
Finding industries that can use excess solar will be exciting.
Desal plants can be turned on an off fairly easily, they could be using extremely cheap excess solar to produce fresh water, opening up more cheap agriculture… and helping during droughts.
Obviously the more EVs and using dynamic inverters etc… to charge up cars when there is excess power has massive potential.
Charging your car on sunny days should, and will be cheaper than cloudy days as an example.
A simple example is my system … due to my battery being charged and export limits, my inverters have to scale down because the grid can’t take it.
There is probably 30kwh lost.
Finding industries that can use excess solar will be exciting.
Desal plants can be turned on an off fairly easily, they could be using extremely cheap excess solar to produce fresh water, opening up more cheap agriculture… and helping during droughts.
Obviously the more EVs and using dynamic inverters etc… to charge up cars when there is excess power has massive potential.
Charging your car on sunny days should, and will be cheaper than cloudy days as an example.
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