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Victoria's highest electricity usage was 8GW in the middle of winter, over a period of 12 hours. Coal and gas provided 5GW of that power. So that's 60GWh of electricity that batteries have to replace. So we're 4% of the way into have a suitable renewable replacement to prevent blackouts.

Its the whole scale of it that people have difficulty grasping.
 
Victoria's highest electricity usage was 8GW in the middle of winter, over a period of 12 hours. Coal and gas provided 5GW of that power. So that's 60GWh of electricity that batteries have to replace. So we're 4% of the way into have a suitable renewable replacement to prevent blackouts.

VIC are on track to have to have 6.3gw by 2035.
What part of transitioning dont you understand?
Add more wind and Snowy 2. Plus a million or more EVs connected to grid, plus more home and onsite batteries.
 
VIC are on track to have to have 6.3gw by 2035.
What part of transitioning dont you understand?
Add more wind and Snowy 2. Plus a million or more EVs connected to grid, plus more home and onsite batteries.

Stop thinking GW and start thinking GWH and you might have half a clue.
Example : Big Power station 3GW continuously.

Big Battery 3GW for half an hour.

I already used an example where a million EV's doesn't make a dent in a big power station.

Scale Dude. Get a feel for the scale.
 

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VIC are on track to have to have 6.3gw by 2035.
What part of transitioning dont you understand?
Add more wind and Snowy 2. Plus a million or more EVs connected to grid, plus more home and onsite batteries.

6.3GW is consumed is less than one hour the middle of winter. The batteries are depleted. Then you are left with a blackout

EVs will do more in stopping oil being needed for gasoline (the point of the video that I think you missed) as once we run out of oil, we're royally stuffed.

EV's will never be a scalable power supply - they'll only be cream on the top, but will never be the cake.
 
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EV's will never be a scalable power supply - they'll only be cream on the top, but will never be the cake.

Of course they will be. For every V2G is one less house reliant on the grid and another house they can support.
V2G can act as a back up.
Every house with its home batter Is one less house reliant on the grid. 230,000 homes already.
Solar doesn’t stop producing power in winter and on cloudy days.
Wind will supply constant power to grid from different regions. They are making wind turbines that can power 160,000 homes.
Snowy 2 will have about week of back up power.
Large Batteries will not be the only source of power at night.
 
Of course they will be. For every V2G is one less house reliant on the grid and another house they can support.
V2G can act as a back up.
Every house with its home batter Is one less house reliant on the grid. 230,000 homes already.
Solar doesn’t stop producing power in winter and on cloudy days.
Wind will supply constant power to grid from different regions. They are making wind turbines that can power 160,000 homes.
Snowy 2 will have about week of back up power.
Large Batteries will not be the only source of power at night.

Snowy can only ever supply 2GW of electricity at a time. Its "storage" isn't additional power that can be sent to the grid.
 
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Turning off unneccesary lights? Shouldn’t this happen anyway?

And thes gas industry toffs, don’t the media ever as about the amount they export, especially when they say they’ll =shock= need to import some?
 
It can supply 2GW for a week. It’s a hydro plant that can replenish its self using renewables and rain.

This article gives you an idea of the scale of the problem. We've had record demand in the middle of winter. In these two states alone, we needed coal to provide 9GW of continuous electricity. That's a big amount to try and replace with renewables.


A renewable power grid might be effective for 99% of the year. Those 5 days where we have blackouts is going to be a real pain. Especially if it happens in the middle of winter when people can't heat their homes.

If you want to replace that 9GW of electricity production with batteries for 12 hours (until solar starts generating), you need 108GWh of battery (for just 2 states). Then you need to recharge those batteries to go again the next day.

Renewables and batteries are great, but are they really going to replace coal and gas?
 
This article gives you an idea of the scale of the problem. We've had record demand in the middle of winter. In these two states alone, we needed coal to provide 9GW of continuous electricity. That's a big amount to try and replace with renewables.


A renewable power grid might be effective for 99% of the year. Those 5 days where we have blackouts is going to be a real pain. Especially if it happens in the middle of winter when people can't heat their homes.

If you want to replace that 9GW of electricity production with batteries for 12 hours (until solar starts generating), you need 108GWh of battery (for just 2 states). Then you need to recharge those batteries to go again the next day.

Renewables and batteries are great, but are they really going to replace coal and gas?

If they try to get too aggressive, these might sell well.


In fact you could feed it back into the grid during times when there's nothing else available and profit from it.

Of course its harder for larger commercial or industrial users.
 

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This article gives you an idea of the scale of the problem. We've had record demand in the middle of winter. In these two states alone, we needed coal to provide 9GW of continuous electricity. That's a big amount to try and replace with renewables.


A renewable power grid might be effective for 99% of the year. Those 5 days where we have blackouts is going to be a real pain. Especially if it happens in the middle of winter when people can't heat their homes.


If you want to replace that 9GW of electricity production with batteries for 12 hours (until solar starts generating), you need 108GWh of battery (for just 2 states). Then you need to recharge those batteries to go again the next day.

Renewables and batteries are great, but are they really going to replace coal and gas?


Wind is generating somewhere 24/7.
Gas generators will be used as back up.
The plan is for 16GW of solar.
We will have enough generation.
Storage will take time, but technology and costs are improving every day.
We will make 2035 targets easily … because V2G hasn’t even been factored in.

1million cars x 10kw ( less than 20% of car captivity) is 10GW….

1 million cars connected to the grid is a conservative figure.
 
Wind is generating somewhere 24/7.
Gas generators will be used as back up.
The plan is for 16GW of solar.
We will have enough generation.
Storage will take time, but technology and costs are improving every day.
We will make 2035 targets easily … because V2G hasn’t even been factored in.

1million cars x 10kw ( less than 20% of car captivity) is 10GW….

1 million cars connected to the grid is a conservative figure.

1: Yes but if the wind is too far away its useless. Its simply not true that there is always wind for generating electricity for an area, though people always seem to parrot that. For example, at the moment Victoria and S.A. are running on around 33% of their wind capacity ( 100% would be extremely rare ), but W.A. are on something less than 10%
Ever seen a day when its foggy all day. When its like that you'll probably be getting no wind and not much solar.

2: Gas is great for backup, but here in Victoria we put it all on boats, and what remains costs a fortune.

3: 16 GW of Solar will mostly not generate 16GW. You will get days when it generates practically nothiing.

4: Thanks for your expert opinion.

5: Not as much as you think. Much of the car based battery improvement has focused on energy density, because we want the cars to be lighter.

6: 10GW is a meaningless number GWHOURS please. ( Or GigaJoules if you prefer ).

7: You think it is , others don't.
 
If they try to get too aggressive, these might sell well.


In fact you could feed it back into the grid during times when there's nothing else available and profit from it.

Of course its harder for larger commercial or industrial users.

That’s the idea with gas generators?
 
I assume the Murdoch rags in other states have also been taken over by the gas industry today?

(btw as these are paid adverts I have not breached copyright rules with the screenshots)

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Not much had changed in 10 years…

 
Where ???? Name 1 place they have been banned?
There are recommendations, guidelines and regulations for the installation etc… just like any electrical installation.



One of Australia's leading lithium producers is no longer allowed to recharge EVs under the building in Osborne Park after the fire brigade couldn't put out the fire.

The insurance company pulled cover unless the ban was put in place. The directors also cited criminal negligence and the risk placed to all staff as a decision for the ban.

This is a "hush hush" story to mitigate damage to the lithium sector. Please feel free to call reception to confirm.



and here is a link to similar story I heard on abc radio

 
Here is a simple EV v Petrol savings calculator


Thats a handy little tool.

An MG4 comes in around $350 per year cheaper to run than a Corolla Hybrid. ( Based on $1.80 petrol price and vic average 27c/kwh ) Obviously if you can charge on your own solar you can do much better.

Mind you the MG servicing interval is a bit funny.
First service after 2 years. $300
Second service after 4 years $900
third service after 6 years $300.

And being car dealers you'd still have to watch out for their normal scams, EV or not.

True story involving my ex. She rang and said the dealer had told her the windscreen washers nozzles were blocked, and that they were going to replace them for $90, then she said " i think they replaced them last year too "
I told her to check, and if they did , suggest that they should be still under warranty for the repair.
She checked, they had, and then they were amazingly able to clear the existing nozzles free of charge.
 
Thats a handy little tool.

An MG4 comes in around $350 per year cheaper to run than a Corolla Hybrid. ( Based on $1.80 petrol price and vic average 27c/kwh ) Obviously if you can charge on your own solar you can do much better.

Mind you the MG servicing interval is a bit funny.
First service after 2 years. $300
Second service after 4 years $900
third service after 6 years $300.

And being car dealers you'd still have to watch out for their normal scams, EV or not.

True story involving my ex. She rang and said the dealer had told her the windscreen washers nozzles were blocked, and that they were going to replace them for $90, then she said " i think they replaced them last year too "
I told her to check, and if they did , suggest that they should be still under warranty for the repair.
She checked, they had, and then they were amazingly able to clear the existing nozzles free of charge.

I’m pretty sure the MG4 first proper service was at 40,000
 
Thats a handy little tool.

An MG4 comes in around $350 per year cheaper to run than a Corolla Hybrid. ( Based on $1.80 petrol price and vic average 27c/kwh ) Obviously if you can charge on your own solar you can do much better.

Mind you the MG servicing interval is a bit funny.
First service after 2 years. $300
Second service after 4 years $900
third service after 6 years $300.

And being car dealers you'd still have to watch out for their normal scams, EV or not.

True story involving my ex. She rang and said the dealer had told her the windscreen washers nozzles were blocked, and that they were going to replace them for $90, then she said " i think they replaced them last year too "
I told her to check, and if they did , suggest that they should be still under warranty for the repair.
She checked, they had, and then they were amazingly able to clear the existing nozzles free of charge.
It is a handy little tool. I used a new Kia Cerato (my current car) vs a Kia EV5 with my normal km per annum and WA electricity and petrol prices. It would cost me approx an extra $30,000 up front and save me $1000 per annum so not really a particularly good financial option for me. I don’t know if that is really an apples for apples car wise. I think the EV5 is a bigger car. If anyone can suggest an ev analogous to a Cerato then I would be interested.
 
It is a handy little tool. I used a new Kia Cerato (my current car) vs a Kia EV5 with my normal km per annum and WA electricity and petrol prices. It would cost me approx an extra $30,000 up front and save me $1000 per annum so not really a particularly good financial option for me. I don’t know if that is really an apples for apples car wise. I think the EV5 is a bigger car. If anyone can suggest an ev analogous to a Cerato then I would be interested.

Isn’t the Cerato a smaller type car? About 30k new?
I’d say the mg4 would be an equal size car wouldn’t it?
 

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