The war against renewable energy

[nut]

You are kidding yourself if you think Renewable electricity is going to cost close to nothing

We are already seeing days with negative wholesale buying prices… ask south Australians on Amber electric.
The cost of producing electricity will continue to fall.

Let’s take a a solar panel on its own…. A 440watt solar panel costs about $200, lasts 20 years, produces 200w for an average of 3.5 hours a day.

440x3.5 x 365 x 20…. = 11,242,000wh … for $200!!! I’d say that’s close to nothing. That’s on today’s inefficiencies … as technology gets better that will reduce more.

in the future there will only be supply charges IMO with max amps at meter box.
Power will be like internet plans… it’ll be all dependant on your peak loads…. 5kw plans… 10kw plans.. 15kw plans etc… unless AI sucks it all up

 

[SaintsSeptember]

We are already seeing days with negative wholesale buying prices… ask south Australians on Amber electric.
The cost of producing electricity will continue to fall.

Let’s take a a solar panel on its own…. A 440watt solar panel costs about $200, lasts 20 years, produces 200w for an average of 3.5 hours a day.

440x3.5 x 365 x 20…. = 11,242,000wh … for $200!!! I’d say that’s close to nothing. That’s on today’s inefficiencies … as technology gets better that will reduce more.

in the future there will only be supply charges IMO with max amps at meter box.
Power will be like internet plans… it’ll be all dependant on your peak loads…. 5kw plans… 10kw plans.. 15kw plans etc… unless AI sucks it all up

Why will anyone build a wind turbine or solar farm, if they won't get money from it?

Why will anyone build battery storage?

 

[nut]

Why will anyone build a wind turbine or solar farm, if they won't get money from it?

Why will anyone build battery storage?

Demand tariffs are already a thing.
Think data plans on the nbn …

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Demand tariffs are already a thing.
Think data plans on the nbn …

The people building infrastructure will expect a return on their investment.
NBN is public infrastructure.

 

[nut]

The people building infrastructure will expect a return on their investment.
NBN is public infrastructure.

They get a return from power plans… usage will be minimal. The NBN is still profitable with unlimited data. …

 

[SaintsSeptember]

They get a return from power plans… usage will be minimal. The NBN is still profitable with unlimited data. …

One way or another they will need a lot of money.
Its only on sunny , windy days it will be particularly cheap or free.

 

[nut]

One way or another they will need a lot of money.
Its only on sunny , windy days it will be particularly cheap or free.

Firm renewables = generation and storage.
The cost of firm renewables continues to plummet as technologies bring the cost down.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Firm renewables = generation and storage.
The cost of firm renewables continues to plummet as technologies bring the cost down.

Both correct.
But the cost of "firm renewables" isn't and won't plummet.

 

[nut]

Both correct.
But the cost of "firm renewables" isn't and won't plummet.

History of solar energy prices | AVENSTON

Tendency to increase the amount of installation of PV plants becomes obvious. One of the reasons is the decrease in prices for solar modules.

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plummeting … falling… getting cheaper by the day…..

 

[SaintsSeptember]

History of solar energy prices | AVENSTON

Tendency to increase the amount of installation of PV plants becomes obvious. One of the reasons is the decrease in prices for solar modules.

avenston.com

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plummeting … falling… getting cheaper by the day…..

Whatever you say.

I can't even see a good reason to use lithium ion batteries for fixed storage facilities. They make more sense for portability.

 

[nut]

Whatever you say.

I can't even see a good reason to use lithium ion batteries for fixed storage facilities. They make more sense for portability.

You said they weren’t plummeting … the prices have fallen and continue to fall.… Lithium phosphate batteries have taken over anyhow and are cheaper to produce, sodium batteries are starting to bring prices down further.
Cheaper fixed storage alternatives are being developed all the time ..

The notion that no one will invest in renewables because the returns aren’t there is fallacy.

Keeping people on the grid and stopping them disconnecting will be the biggest challenge.

 

[peetoo]

As noted technology opportunity only just starting to happen.

Slthough and hydro almost pre dates burning oil (and aren’t the whales happy we stopped burning them)

Tidal hydro. Where that exists, it’s guaranteed to run twice per day, sometimes significant in both directions