The war against renewable energy

[nut]

If the owners all used them that way.
Most humans are lazy.
Most people won't want to dwell on their electricity app like you do.

Huh?
Plugging your car in at home is hardly an effort. Use excess storage to power your home instead of buying power? I think most people would be for that.

More EVs plugged in will stabilise the grid.
More EVs less fossil fuels during the peak periods.

 

[peetoo]

You wouldn’t buy an ev just to do that, and those who it would suit would be in a narrow group.

Eg taxis whom it makes sense to have an EV - would not be able to waste range they will need to take fares

That’s not to say those doing that will make a difference to the grid

 

[nut]

You wouldn’t buy an ev just to do that, and those who it would suit would be in a narrow group.

Eg taxis whom it makes sense to have an EV - would not be able to waste range they will need to take fares

That’s not to say those doing that will make a difference to the grid

There are 3.5 million homes with rooftop solar. I’d reckon the majority of those people would love to add a mobile battery that they can fill for free.
And no more black outs.

The biggest danger to the grid is if people realise they can go completely off grid.

 

[peetoo]

There are 3.5 million homes with rooftop solar. I’d reckon the majority of those people would love to add a mobile battery that they can fill for free.
And no more black outs.

The biggest danger to the grid is if people realise they can go completely off grid.

Or they could just buy a static battery

 

[nut]

Or they could just buy a static battery

You can buy an MG4 for 32k which has the equivalent of 3.7 powerwall 2s in it. Last I looked a powerall 2 was $15k.
Normally your car is at home with you, so you could shield yourself from expensive peak periods using your car battery.. then charge it cheap latter in the night.

 

[peetoo]

You can buy an MG4 for 32k which has the equivalent of 3.7 powerwall 2s in it. Last I looked a powerall 2 was $15k.
Normally your car is at home with you, so you could shield yourself from expensive peak periods using your car battery.. then charge it cheap latter in the night.

Please at least compare quality with quality. These things have a long ROI so need to be quality

I’m pretty sure there are connection costs too

 

[nut]

Please at least compare quality with quality. These things have a long ROI so need to be quality

I’m pretty sure there are connection costs too

MG4 was car of the year? The quality is better than any petrol vehicle at same cost… and it’s way way cheaper to run even if remote charging.
When has ROI ever been equated into the life of an Ice car?
There are people buying old EVs just to use as a home battery and nothing else.

If you were to use 30% of your car battery a night … so 15kwh @ 40 cents = $6. X 365 =$2,190.00

Most cars can already do vehicle to load … but vehicle to grid will be the game changer.

 

[peetoo]

MG4 was car of the year? The quality is better than any petrol vehicle at same cost… and it’s way way cheaper to run even if remote charging.
When has ROI ever been equated into the life of an Ice car?
There are people buying old EVs just to use as a home battery and nothing else.

If you were to use 30% of your car battery a night … so 15kwh @ 40 cents = $6. X 365 =$2,190.00

Most cars can already do vehicle to load … but vehicle to grid will be the game changer.

People not buying EV as a status symbol are looking for ROI. The middle adopters.

And don’t mark me as anti EV. I already said they make sense in certain high mileage situations. Taxis, driving instructors

 

[SaintsSeptember]

MG4 was car of the year? The quality is better than any petrol vehicle at same cost… and it’s way way cheaper to run even if remote charging.
When has ROI ever been equated into the life of an Ice car?
There are people buying old EVs just to use as a home battery and nothing else.

If you were to use 30% of your car battery a night … so 15kwh @ 40 cents = $6. X 365 =$2,190.00

Most cars can already do vehicle to load … but vehicle to grid will be the game changer.

Holden Camira was car of the year once.

In general Electricity is pretty reliable, ( there are some fun youtubes where Brit's buy really cheap old Nissan Leaf's to see if they are something you can live with).

They have done reliability surveys in China , and MG are well down the list of Brands.
Topping the list Toyota joint ventures.
Then BYD, a few others , then Tesla.
BYD sell well over a million vehicles in China, including bottom end Vehicles that compete with the MG3.
MG only sell around 300 000.

Electric vehicles have the capacity to be more reliable, but they have complex control systems.
You don't want electrical faults on your electric vehicles.

This one is interesting.
https://www.whatcar.com/news/reliability-survey-most-reliable-electric-cars/n26158

It has the MG5 rating amongst the best and the MG4 amongst the worst.

The comment on the MG4...
" Bodywork and non-motor electrical issues were the main complaints from the 37.5% of MG4 owners who told us that their car had gone wrong. Although 80% of the afflicted cars were fixed for free, 20% of owners faced bills of £1000 to £1500, and 70% of the cars were laid up for more than a week.".

Part of the issue can be dealers not keeping an appropriate level of spares, and i've heard that any non-service items for MG's mostly need to come from China.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

MG4 was car of the year? The quality is better than any petrol vehicle at same cost… and it’s way way cheaper to run even if remote charging.
When has ROI ever been equated into the life of an Ice car?
There are people buying old EVs just to use as a home battery and nothing else.

If you were to use 30% of your car battery a night … so 15kwh @ 40 cents = $6. X 365 =$2,190.00

Most cars can already do vehicle to load … but vehicle to grid will be the game changer.

If you want a home battery, wrapping a car around it is an expensive way to buy it.

 

[nut]

People not buying EV as a status symbol are looking for ROI. The middle adopters.

And don’t mark me as anti EV. I already said they make sense in certain high mileage situations. Taxis, driving instructors

When has a regular car ever been bought for a ROI???
Which petrol car can save you $2k or more in electricity bills?

 

[nut]

If you want a home battery, wrapping a car around it is an expensive way to buy it.

Why? It’s cheaper … I used MG4 as example… BYD Seal 61kw battery for $49k … so if you take the cost off a powerwall 2 it’s a $34k car.

My point is there will be millions of EVs connected to grid in the future, saving people money and stabilising the grid. It’s just mathematics ..

 

[nut]

Wholesale spike event predicted tonight in nsw

Imagine being able to discharge 50kw @ $15…. 12 months rego paid

 

[peetoo]

When has a regular car ever been bought for a ROI???
Which petrol car can save you $2k or more in electricity bills?

There’s a reason people are installing rooftop in vastly more numbers than buying EV.

 

[peetoo]

When has a regular car ever been bought for a ROI???
Which petrol car can save you $2k or more in electricity bills?

So how long is payback?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

There’s a reason people are installing rooftop in vastly more numbers than buying EV.

Unless you are able to charge with cheap Solar ,most cars will cost a similar amount to run to an efficient petrol car ( non plug-in Hybrids are an example of an efficient petrol car but there are others that aren't any sort of hybrid ). Maybe even more.

An $11000 Powerwall is 13.5kwh. That will take a Tesla 3 around 100km max, probably around 80km for an MG4 and if all your powerwall is used to charge your vehicle, your running your house on Coal. So you need a $20000 powerwall. ( Some other EV's get less range ,

Unless you have free solar electricity at your workplace ( some places have it , but its very limited ) Nut's idea of charging the grid with the car is not all that feasible.

The more EV's on the road , the harder it will be to find free or cheap public charging.

If you go on a long trip , and want to charge your car up for the next day, your powerwall will only give you a partial charge.

Not sure how all the poor schmucks who don't have off street parking will get on. I can imagine the back streets of Richmond with extension leads all over the place ( its actually illegal to charge your car in the street from a household extension lead ).

 

[peetoo]

Or in an apartment community garage where charging EV has been banned.

There will be vehicle to solar, it will have an effect but game changer? Maybe

 

[nut]

So how long is payback?

When has a car ever been a ROI …..

 

[SaintsSeptember]

If you have a Mazda 2 with the skyactive engine, 100km will cost you around ten bucks.
If you have a Tesla 3 with 25c/kwh, 100km will cost you around 4 bucks.
If you `have an MG3 with 25c/kwh, 100km will cost you around 5 bucks.

Cost of Mazda 2. $23 000
Cost of Tesla 3. $55 000.
Payback after 500 000km

Cost of Mazda 2. $23000
Cost of MG4 $33000
Payback after 200 000km.