F1 The Wash Up - Previous 2024 Race Weekends

[Thistle]

Big first race back from Lawson

 

[Gunf]

God i love when bad things happen to Norris

Yes Verstappen went off track but in no way was Lando ever making that corner

 

[Vader]

Who got DotD?

If Russell started in pit lane and finished 6th then he'd be getting my vote.

 

[Gunf]

Who got DotD?

If Russell started in pit lane and finished 6th then he'd be getting my vote.

Lec got DOTD it seems which is well deserved

Top 5

Not sure how Russell wasn't in that same with Lawson

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Lec got DOTD it seems which is well deserved

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Not sure how Russell wasn't in that same with Lawson

8.5% of people voted for a guy that finished 4th from pole - that's how. Verstappen also lucky to be on that list. DOTD is all about favourites unfortunately and Russell's the red headed step child of the Brit drivers

 

[Bradesmaen]

8.5% of people voted for a guy that finished 4th from pole - that's how. Verstappen also lucky to be on that list. DOTD is all about favourites unfortunately and Russell's the red headed step child of the Brit drivers

Verstappen on there for his defence I'd say

 

[Gunf]

8.5% of people voted for a guy that finished 4th from pole - that's how. Verstappen also lucky to be on that list. DOTD is all about favourites unfortunately and Russell's the red headed step child of the Brit drivers

It will be interesting to see if some of the hate that Russell gets goes away once he no longer has Hamilton along side him.

Also will be interesting if Lec starts to get it.

 

[Cromulant]

It will be interesting to see if some of the hate that Russell gets goes away once he no longer has Hamilton along side him.

Also will be interesting if Lec starts to get it.

He will when he starts to beat Lewis almost every race.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

It will be interesting to see if some of the hate that Russell gets goes away once he no longer has Hamilton along side him.

Also will be interesting if Lec starts to get it.

Leclerc might be lucky that most Ferrari fans aren't British

 

[JackFlash]

Nobody is mentioning what a great race from Lawson? If he keeps this up and he will certainly be a strong contender for the Perez seat ahead of Yuki
.

 

[Cromulant]

Nobody is mentioning what a great race from Lawson? If he keeps this up and he will certainly be a strong contender for the Perez seat ahead of Yuki
.

And wasnt Yuki happy about it.

Liam drove very well, whereas Yuki reverted to Angry Yuki and found himself in all sorts.

Colapinto also drove a great race and IMO needs to be in a race seat next year.

 

[Aussie pie]

Wannndo and McLaren complaining as usual. Stellar saying the stewards shouldn’t interfere in the race. That’s their job, if McLaren and Wannndo are too silly to give the place back then they’ve only got themselves to blame.

 

[Festerz]

Excellent detailed skypad analysis by Anthony Davidson of that last takeover move on lap 52 by Norris on Verstappen - very clear and fair assessment of why that overtake move was deemed unacceptable by the stewards, with Norris being marginally behind Max as he turn into the apex. (under FIA rules, the overtaker must have a 'significant' part of their car ahead by the time they get to the apx of the corner).

Norris continuing to hang on to the outside of that corner to complete the overtake is what forced him outside track limits - contrary to what Norris and Stela said - as Max, being the lead car as they entered that corner, was entitled to take the wide exit. Yes, both cars were outside track limits at the exit of that corner but Lando was overtaking a car that was outside the tracks limits - that's the difference here.

I'd glad we don't have old mate Chandhok at this race - his bias would have claimed that the stewards were wrong in handing out the penalty to Lando.

 

[Gunf]

The amount of crying right now is unreal and i love it

 

[Gunf]

And wasnt Yuki happy about it.

Liam drove very well, whereas Yuki reverted to Angry Yuki and found himself in all sorts.

Colapinto also drove a great race and IMO needs to be in a race seat next year.

Yuki once again proving why RedBull won't give him a seat

 

[TheEscapeClub]

And after everything is done and dusted for the weekend, Lando gave up another 5 points to Max.

He 'aint winning anything.

 

[TheVillageIdiot7]

Excellent detailed skypad analysis by Anthony Davidson of that last takeover move on lap 52 by Norris on Verstappen - very clear and fair assessment of why that overtake move was deemed unacceptable by the stewards, with Norris being marginally behind Max as he turn into the apex. (under FIA rules, the overtaker must have a 'significant' part of their car ahead by the time they get to the apx of the corner).

Norris continuing to hang on to the outside of that corner to complete the overtake is what forced him outside track limits - contrary to what Norris and Stela said - as Max, being the lead car as they entered that corner, was entitled to take the wide exit. Yes, both cars were outside track limits at the exit of that corner but Lando was overtaking a car that was outside the tracks limits - that's the difference here.

I'd glad we don't have old mate Chandhok at this race - his bias would have claimed that the stewards were wrong in handing out the penalty to Lando.

Interesting debate.
Ant chose to omit a few things in his analysis.

The idea and concept that "whoever gets the apex first" has the right of way is correct.....sort of.
Providing they have control of their car.

Max missed the corner. Missed his braking mark and left the track.
If i was racing and got called for that, i'd be absolutely ropeable.

Sure, going around the outside leaves you open to been squeezed. No issues with that.
Go outside on your own peril!
But in this case, Max didn't have control of his car because he couldn't stay on track himself.

First and foremost, you must have control of your car.
By leaving the track, Max didn't. So all bets are off.
They both technically "gained an advantage by leaving the track". So deciding that one driver got more of an advantage isn't actually in the rules!

He is absolutely brilliant Max. He just bends every rule and makes the stewards make a decision.
He's the best driver by a mile.
Some of that defense he put up will be shown over and over as it was just brilliant.

If nothing else F1 throws up controversy by a clear and fundamental lack of stewards ability to be consistent.
The irony is they had the chance to set a precedent in the first 500M of the race.

But chose to apply the mythical "first lap" rules when Max clearly ran Norris wide (and left the track overtaking him) in the first corner.

If they are paying Russell (which i thought was a correct call)....then 100000% they should have paid the lap 1 incident because it was far worse in terms of car control and could have been pinged for 2 infringements (leaving the track and forcing a competitor off track).

To put the max/ norris incident (the late race one) in an extreme end of the spectrum....
Lets say there was grass or gravel in that corner. The same thing happens and they both spin....after 30 seconds of trying to recover the cars, Norris gets back on track and 5 seconds later Max does.
Would they have given a penalty to Norris for "leaving the track and gaining an advantage"....?
Because under the rules, its actually no different to what happened (just a more extreme case).

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

Gee Lando is an overrated driver, yes he is quick but time after time he proves he is not a good driver.

Continually gets beaten to the first corner, panics when he needs to over take and further panics when he has pressure applied to him like what we saw in the sprint race.

On another note Yuki must be on thin ice, has had long enough to prove he deserves a seat but just appears he doesnt have the temperament.

 

[ReidBetweenTheLines]

When’s Lando gonna learn that you can’t let Max have the inside line to a corner? Max loves to force a driver off the track. 2024 is out of reach for Norris now but next year I can see their friendship being tested for 2025 if Lando gets his elbows out more.

As for Piastri, it’s this sort of weekend that makes me question his championship capabilities. He’s a consistent clean race driver, but his qualifying needs to improve a fair bit.

 

[Vader]

As for Piastri, it’s this sort of weekend that makes me question his championship capabilities. He’s a consistent clean race driver, but his qualifying needs to improve a fair bit.

His car just didn't have the pace this time. Despite having 4 weeks to prepare, McLaren only had enough upgrade parts for 1 car - and of course they gave them to Lando.

With Red Bull, Ferrari & Lando all having upgraded cars, Piastri was left to run around in 5th.

Not sure if Perez got the same upgrades as Max, but it really doesn't matter, as he's just not as fast a driver as the Ferrari & McLaren pairs.

 

[largebus]

Haven't watched yet but note Colapinto in the points and Albon nowhere to be found.
He was probably begging Williams to keep Sargeant all this time. Bloke is a hack.

 

[skam85]

Room temperature take: Leclerc would be within 20pts of Max if he was in the McLaren.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Room temperature take: Leclerc would be within 20pts of Max if he was in the McLaren.

They've flown under the radar recently but this year is a massive missed opportunity for Ferrari, starting with bottling Canada and then designing a flaw into the car floor in time for Spain. They've since fixed it by the looks but that 6 race period to Zandvoort took them out of the title race when they've got a car and driver capable of challenging.

 

[happy_eagle]

Couple more of those types of drives and Liam Lawson should be promoted to the Red Bull car next season.

Bit of a nothing weekend for Oscar, but if he didn't have the same upgrade package then perhaps it makes a bit more sense.

Lando proved once again that whilst he is mathematically in contention, he and the team do not have what it takes to win the drivers championship against Max. The team should have told him to give the position back, and then let him have another go (he had a clear pace advantage).

 

[Gunf]

Interesting debate.
Ant chose to omit a few things in his analysis.

The idea and concept that "whoever gets the apex first" has the right of way is correct.....sort of.
Providing they have control of their car.

Max missed the corner. Missed his braking mark and left the track.
If i was racing and got called for that, i'd be absolutely ropeable.

Sure, going around the outside leaves you open to been squeezed. No issues with that.
Go outside on your own peril!
But in this case, Max didn't have control of his car because he couldn't stay on track himself.

First and foremost, you must have control of your car.
By leaving the track, Max didn't. So all bets are off.
They both technically "gained an advantage by leaving the track". So deciding that one driver got more of an advantage isn't actually in the rules!

He is absolutely brilliant Max. He just bends every rule and makes the stewards make a decision.
He's the best driver by a mile.
Some of that defense he put up will be shown over and over as it was just brilliant.

If nothing else F1 throws up controversy by a clear and fundamental lack of stewards ability to be consistent.
The irony is they had the chance to set a precedent in the first 500M of the race.

But chose to apply the mythical "first lap" rules when Max clearly ran Norris wide (and left the track overtaking him) in the first corner.

If they are paying Russell (which i thought was a correct call)....then 100000% they should have paid the lap 1 incident because it was far worse in terms of car control and could have been pinged for 2 infringements (leaving the track and forcing a competitor off track).

To put the max/ norris incident (the late race one) in an extreme end of the spectrum....
Lets say there was grass or gravel in that corner. The same thing happens and they both spin....after 30 seconds of trying to recover the cars, Norris gets back on track and 5 seconds later Max does.
Would they have given a penalty to Norris for "leaving the track and gaining an advantage"....?
Because under the rules, its actually no different to what happened (just a more extreme case).

If we want to apply the rules 100% to the letter(the rules are shit)

Max would of got a 5 second penalty (maybe) and Lando 10 seconds

Great for Oscar but doesn't really affect anything else

5 seconds for Max forcing another off the track and 10 seconds for Lando for over taking off track