The Worst Trade Ever

[StCicatriz]

GC didn't just have pick 2, they had pick 19 which would have been far more suitable for Weller. I also doubt Hawks would have given up pick 2 for Mitchell. It would definitely have been worth it in hindsight, but only in hindsight, wouldn't have seemed like a good trade at the time. As it was, 14 seemed like a good deal for both teams.

You don't trade on the off chance they turn into the next Gary Ablett, you trade on the potential they currently show. GC paid more than what than what he has currently shown, therefore you'd hope he'd take a much bigger step forward than Mitchell has to justify the price.

again you are not looking at the detail

the reason why GC gave up pick 2 for weller and why the hawks would NOT have is because of what they could have used pick 2 on. GC were facing the prospect that the top 5 best players in the draft were all victorians who's preference is that they stay there. gold coast has dealt with that issue over and over and over again. hawthorn not so.

so hawthorn with pick 2 would have a very good player that more than likely will stay there as long as hawthorn want him

gold coast on the other hand face a situation where the player will seek a trade back to victoria, if he is any good and is wanted by another club. given clubs are getting more proactive and trading for highly rated speculative in contract talent, he was potentially looking like going before his contracted ended

so the trade actually looks pretty good for gold coast. thats before you even look at the quality of talent. i.e. weller vs what ever is available at pick 2, which IMO weller is better than anything in this draft

 

[Sixpence]

again you are not looking at the detail

the reason why GC gave up pick 2 for weller and why the hawks would NOT have is because of what they could have used pick 2 on. GC were facing the prospect that the top 5 best players in the draft were all victorians who's preference is that they stay there. gold coast has dealt with that issue over and over and over again. hawthorn not so.

so hawthorn with pick 2 would have a very good player that more than likely will stay there as long as hawthorn want him

gold coast on the other hand face a situation where the player will seek a trade back to victoria, if he is any good and is wanted by another club. given clubs are getting more proactive and trading for highly rated speculative in contract talent, he was potentially looking like going before his contracted ended

so the trade actually looks pretty good for gold coast. thats before you even look at the quality of talent. i.e. weller vs what ever is available at pick 2, which IMO weller is better than anything in this draft

So basically, they shat themselves in surprise that someone actually wanted to play for them and happily overpaid? How is this going to help the club in the long run if they throw all their top picks away on guys who aren't quite worth it? Particularly on the assumption that whoever they do pick up with those picks will be Victorian and want to move back home after 2 years. They need to focus on building a culture that players want to hang around for, not throw away currency for peanuts just because a player wants to be traded there.

For sure, GC should be happy that someone wants to play for them and would find it heartening but Freo took advantage of that and bent them over. GC needed bigger balls in that trade.

 

[Kram]

GC didn't just have pick 2, they had pick 19 which would have been far more suitable for Weller.

2 is obviously overs but there is no way that a contracted Weller was worth only 19.

 

[Jukesy85]

2 is obviously overs but there is no way that a contracted Weller was worth only 19.

Agreed, I would've thought something like 19 + 2018 second + Matera for Weller would've been reasonable.

 

[StCicatriz]

So basically, they shat themselves in surprise that someone actually wanted to play for them and happily overpaid? How is this going to help the club in the long run if they throw all their top picks away on guys who aren't quite worth it? Particularly on the assumption that whoever they do pick up with those picks will be Victorian and want to move back home after 2 years. They need to focus on building a culture that players want to hang around for, not throw away currency for peanuts just because a player wants to be traded there.

For sure, GC should be happy that someone wants to play for them and would find it heartening but Freo took advantage of that and bent them over. GC needed bigger balls in that trade.

Lol that's not what I am saying at all. Did you even read a word of what I posted.

In summary:
- pick 2 would have got a homesick Victorian who would have more than likely just gone back home
- Weller is a better talent than anything in this draft

 

[Kram]

Agreed, I would've thought something like 19 + 2018 second + Matera for Weller would've been reasonable.

When they traded in West Coast's 2018 first round I sort of assumed it would end up involved as some middle ground. Surprised when it got immediately knocked back and even more so when they ended up with 2.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

What did St Kilda give up for Aaron Fiora?

 

[jedi mind tricks]

Lol that's not what I am saying at all. Did you even read a word of what I posted.

In summary:
- pick 2 would have got a homesick Victorian who would have more than likely just gone back home
- Weller is a better talent than anything in this draft

How do you know Weller is a better talent that anything (anyone) in this draft?

Based on social media? BF draft experts? Or you not wanting Freo to have came out of the draft in a stronger position it enteted it in?

I highly doubt you even know just how good the top few pics in this draft will be

 

[Knox Harrington]

From Essendon I have:
Mark Williams for pick 16
Adam Cooney for pick 37
Richard Cole for pick 23
Madness

 

[StCicatriz]

How do you know Weller is a better talent that anything (anyone) in this draft?

Based on social media? BF draft experts? Or you not wanting Freo to have came out of the draft in a stronger position it enteted it in?

I highly doubt you even know just how good the top few pics in this draft will be

It's subjective. All you can do is assess the talent based on what we have already seen from it. The 2014 draft was much much better. This draft is pretty meh.

 

[mike91]

It's subjective. All you can do is assess the talent based on what we have already seen from it. The 2014 draft was much much better. This draft is pretty meh.

So you've watched a few YouTube highlights and come to the conclusion that Rayner, LDU, Dow and Fogarty (all #2 worthy) are all 'meh'. #7&8 should be great for the Saints then

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[Sixpence]

Lol that's not what I am saying at all. Did you even read a word of what I posted.

In summary:
- pick 2 would have got a homesick Victorian who would have more than likely just gone back home
- Weller is a better talent than anything in this draft

Given your argument was that it's worth pick 2 to get someone who simply wants to play for them, how is it not what you're saying? I'm arguing you shouldn't pay that high a price for it. Your summary is pure assumption. No part of it can it be used to validate the trade. Both arguments are just some of many possibilities that can happen. You can't base trades on that.

 

[jedi mind tricks]

It's subjective. All you can do is assess the talent based on what we have already seen from it. The 2014 draft was much much better. This draft is pretty meh.

You should quit your day job and apply for a recruitment/list manager position. You sound like an expert

 

[The Joker]

Given your argument was that it's worth pick 2 to get someone who simply wants to play for them, how is it not what you're saying? I'm arguing you shouldn't pay that high a price for it. Your summary is pure assumption. No part of it can it be used to validate the trade. Both arguments are just some of many possibilities that can happen. You can't base trades on that.

You are basing this trade on it being like every other trade that has ever been made, when it is absoloutly not.

He was best 22 at Fremantle and will be at GC.
Has played 47 from a possible 68 games.
There was a $4 mill 5 year offer tabled.
He was 21 years old.
He was contracted.

Then when you have the players manager coming out and saying "Yeah, there's and agreement in principle, yeah", well Scott Clayton had no chance!

 

[Sixpence]

You are basing this trade on it being like every other trade that has ever been made, when it is absoloutly not.

He was best 22 at Fremantle and will be at GC.
Has played 47 from a possible 68 games.
There was a $4 mill 5 year offer tabled.
He was 21 years old.
He was contracted.

Then when you have the players manager coming out and saying "Yeah, there's and agreement in principle, yeah", well Scott Clayton had no chance!

What? Why should this trade be different from any other?! What has the player's manager's opinion have to do with this? Who gives a shit what he thinks?

 

[The Joker]

What? Why should this trade be different from any other?! What has the player's manager's opinion have to do with this? Who gives a shit what he thinks?

Because of the reasons I gave you in the post you have just quoted!

It's not what "he thinks", it is what he states!!!

 

[Righteo]

2 is obviously overs but there is no way that a contracted Weller was worth only 19.

Especially not in this draft! I think it's hilarious seeing the amount of people who watch us once a year at most, and who couldn't tell Lachie Weller apart from Lachie Neale, suddenly acting like a supreme fount of knowledge on this trade.

 

[Furn2]

People continue to overate draft picks.

More than half the 11-20 picks wont even play 100 AFL games. Only about 18% will be 200 gamers. 20% wont even play 10 games.

Pick 2 though gives you a very good chance at a good player usually.

 

[Sixpence]

Because of the reasons I gave you in the post you have just quoted!

It's not what "he thinks", it is what he states!!!

And what, you think that's some kind of special scenario we've never come across before? I completely fail to see why his trade should be viewed any differently to any others based on what you wrote.

How is what he states different to what he thinks? It's either his opinion or his agenda. Either way, who gives a shit.

 

[The Joker]

And what, you think that's some kind of special scenario we've never come across before? I completely fail to see why his trade should be viewed any differently to any others based on what you wrote.

How is what he states different to what he thinks? It's either his opinion or his agenda. Either way, who gives a shit.

Show me a trade like it before!

Because his statement released information, it wasn't something he was thinking, it was fact. Information like that can hinder ones negotiating powers!

 

[Sixpence]

Show me a trade like it before!

Because his statement released information, it wasn't something he was thinking, it was fact. Information like that can hinder ones negotiating powers!

You seriously think that's a ground breaking trade? What part of that list makes it so special? Gunstan went from best 22 at Adelaide to best 22 in a strong Hawthorn side at only 19 years old. Most players are contracted, which is why they go via trade. 47/68 games is hardly anything of note. The only have decent thing is the coin, which you can't really compare with the player payments increase.

His manager saying that there's an agreement doesn't hinder anything. His manager has no say whatsoever in the trade and his opinion/statements/whatever are entirely irrelevant. It's still fully within GC's power to argue better terms with Freo.

 

[StCicatriz]

You seriously think that's a ground breaking trade? What part of that list makes it so special? Gunstan went from best 22 at Adelaide to best 22 in a strong Hawthorn side at only 19 years old. Most players are contracted, which is why they go via trade. 47/68 games is hardly anything of note. The only have decent thing is the coin, which you can't really compare with the player payments increase.

His manager saying that there's an agreement doesn't hinder anything. His manager has no say whatsoever in the trade and his opinion/statements/whatever are entirely irrelevant. It's still fully within GC's power to argue better terms with Freo.

If this draft is soooooo good and draft picks are sooooooo important why were Hawthorn so quick to be ****ed so hard at the trade table on JOM?

They gave up far more for JOM than GC did for Weller. Atleast Weller plays pretty much all year

 

[mike91]

If this draft is soooooo good and draft picks are sooooooo important why were Hawthorn so quick to be ****** so hard at the trade table on JOM?

They gave up far more for JOM than GC did for Weller. Atleast Weller plays pretty much all year

Well, if you apply commonsense, you will see that Hawthorn rate JOM very, very highly. Injury free, it's easy to see why.

 

[nineteen eighty]

Worst trade ever you ask? Don't mind if I do...it's in my sig thanks to an old Tigers poster.

From Weaver: Worst trade ever? That's easy. Pick 16 and 46 for Stephen O'Reilly who played 12 games for you. AND you had to pay him illegally outside the cap. AND he blew the whistle on you. AND you had to pay a fine. AND you got kicked out of the draft and had to recruit hacks. AND it meant that your mulit-million investment in Denis Pagan was a waste because he had no players.
Stephen O'Reilly for - Pick 16, pick 46, $1m fine, pick 1, 2, 17 and 33 in the 2003 draft, pick 1 in the 2003 PSD, 1st and 2nd round picks in the 2004 draft.

 

[GameofSloanes]

Andrew McLeod for Chris Groom easily the worst ever