Recommitted Tim Kelly [requested a trade to West Coast]

[Kwality]

Because JK is likely to be finished within the next 18-24 months.

Oscar Allen is streets in front of Brander - Brander is a NSW boy, educated at Geelong Grammar, early draft pick (11), highly regarded at the Cats. You need to offer quality for Kelly, bit different to last year so requires pro active approach from the Eagles IMHO.
Given that, I'd like to keep developing Brander but you cant always get what you want ..

 

[Ok Boomer]

Oscar Allen is streets in front of Brander - Brander is a NSW boy, educated at Geelong Grammar, early draft pick (11), highly regarded at the Cats. You need to offer quality for Kelly, bit different to last year so requires pro active approach from the Eagles IMHO.
Given that, I'd like to keep developing Brander but you cant always get what you want ..

Yes, Oscar Allen is ahead at the moment. How much can you really read into that though when they are both second year players?

I don't see Oscar Allen as a JK replacement.

We would be foolish to trade Brander.

 

[Kwality]

Yes, Oscar Allen is ahead at the moment. How much can you really read into that though when they are both second year players?

I don't see Oscar Allen as a JK replacement.

We would be foolish to trade Brander.

Love you to be right & get Kelly ...

 

[Ok Boomer]

Love you to be right & get Kelly ...

Getting Kelly would be great, just not at the expense of the future.

 

[Kwality]

Getting Kelly would be great, just not at the expense of the future.

That was the approach last year for sure, Kellys 2019 suggests he's worth a play, Miatthew Allen? I dont think he'd get anything done, Freo would have the better offer.

 

[Ok Boomer]

That was the approach last year for sure, Kellys 2019 suggests he's worth a play, Michael Allen? I dont think he'd get anything done, Freo would have the better offer.

I'm not sure why the approach needs to change though, he was a very good player last year and has improved again as you would expect someone with another year in the system to do. Hardly crystal ball stuff

 

[Kwality]

I'm not sure why the approach needs to change though, he was a very good player last year and has improved again as you would expect someone with another year in the system to do. Hardly crystal ball stuff

Why does it need to change, because it didnt work. Kelly is performing at elite level, not a one season sensation. We dont have the picks, Freo does.

 

[Obeanie1]

It's essentially a downgrade of our first round pick and a second for Tim Kelly. If Geelong get their two picks inside the top 15, hopefully they feel happy with that. GWS supporters might not feel so happy but they get a top five pick before their academy player is bid on, so essentially turning their first round picks into two top seven picks and a second round pick.

In my view that would represent a four party win.

Green tipped as a top 3 pick and may well be bid on early. If Suns get pick 1 and 2 may keep the Giants honest. As may Demons or Crows or Saints.

And after getting shafted in the McCarthy deal getting a crappy four place upgrade to pick 3 you wonder how much good will exists between GWS and Freo during trade week.

 

[Obeanie1]

That was the approach last year for sure, Kellys 2019 suggests he's worth a play, Miatthew Allen? I dont think he'd get anything done, Freo would have the better offer.

Freo have players leaving the sinking ship.

Of course they can offer more. Its because of so many retirements and players leaving.

But if Kelly isnt interested in Freo its a moot point.

 

[Kwality]

Freo have players leaving the sinking ship.

Of course they can offer more. Its because of so many retirements and players leaving.

But if Kelly isnt interested in Freo its a moot point.

Big if, Kelly is worth getting on the front foot, not sell the farm, quality for like.

 

[Scotland]

And after getting shafted in the McCarthy deal getting a crappy four place upgrade to pick 3 you wonder how much good will exists between GWS and Freo during trade week.

GWS turned pick 7 into pick 3 into pick 2 and points. Taranto and 3 x academy picks inside 20. Good result.

The two clubs have since traded Wilson and Lobb so the relationship is probably OK.

 

[Obeanie1]

Big if, Kelly is worth getting on the front foot, not sell the farm, quality for like.

Dont need to sell the farm though.

Two late firsts and a 2nd to land Kelly plus the Cats 2020 2nd isnt the farm.

Still use a 2nd round pick this year plus two 2nds next year in that scenario. And get a 25 year old A grade mid.

 

[Kwality]

Dont need to sell the farm though.

Two late firsts and a 2nd to land Kelly plus the Cats 2020 2nd isnt the farm.

Still use a 2nd round pick this year plus two 2nds next year in that scenario. And get a 25 year old A grade mid.

If it can be done with picks great, creating a hole in the ongoing list management strategy will dictate that.
Lots of ifs in getting access to higher picks.

 

[Taylor]

Green tipped as a top 3 pick and may well be bid on early. If Suns get pick 1 and 2 may keep the Giants honest. As may Demons or Crows or Saints.

And after getting shafted in the McCarthy deal getting a crappy four place upgrade to pick 3 you wonder how much good will exists between GWS and Freo during trade week.

The McCarthy deal got GWS exactly what they wanted, which was pick #3 so they could swap it for #2 to get Tarranto.

That was the whole point and I expect it will happen again to double dip their elite talent from this draft.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

I havent seen Kelly play a good game yet . Overhyped .
Might look a lot better with a decent ruckman putting it to him .

Who's WCE's decent ruckman now?

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Can anyone name me one player who has been traded in by Freo as a gun from another club, that has actually gone on and been as good (or better) than they were at there though old club?

Not surprised Kelly would rather West Coast. No one wants to end up the next Des Headland.

Could ask the same question of WCE? I can't think of any off the top of my head and I wouldn't include Josh Kennedy in that, he was still a youngster and all potential when he got to WCE.

 

[Kwality]

Who's WCE's decent ruckman now?

Tom Hickey, premiership 2018 was Vardy (currently injured), the extended list for the Sunday game includes untried Bailey Williams, 2017 draftee: https://www.westcoasteagles.com.au/player-profile/bailey-j-williams

 

[Obeanie1]

Could ask the same question of WCE? I can't think of any off the top of my head and I wouldn't include Josh Kennedy in that, he was still a youngster and all potential when he got to WCE.

Yeo is an obvious one
Cripps
And yes Kennedy developed quite well. Not sure why you conveniently excluded him.
Redden came good.

Jetta stayed at a similar level but older.

As for history around the Des Headland era.

Stengleign came across and continued playing well in a flag side.
Chick came over and continued to play well.

Eagles rarely trade in guns. Plenty of kids and B graders who play roles and do well.

 

[Scotland]

Could ask the same question of WCE? I can't think of any off the top of my head and I wouldn't include Josh Kennedy in that, he was still a youngster and all potential when he got to WCE.

Yeo, Cripps, Redden are all better than they were. Yeo and Cripps were both young players and Redden took a couple of years to get back to his 2011/12 peak. Jetta's best footy was at Sydney, though he has been useful the last season or so. Vardy's best has been with us when he was able to get a decent run of games without getting injured but he's still not that great. Hickey is still a gimp. Hutchings was drafted by St Kilda once upon a time but never got a gig and has become a good tagger for us but he's not recycled as such as we drafted him from the WAFL.

 

[Kwality]

Could ask the same question of WCE? I can't think of any off the top of my head and I wouldn't include Josh Kennedy in that, he was still a youngster and all potential when he got to WCE.

Last years premiership had many 2nd club players, not sure Elliot Yeo fills your bill?
Yeo
Kennedy
Hutchings
Cripps
Vardy
Jetta
Redden

 

[The 747]

hehe take that David Haynes and Mitchell White

Don't you forget the mighty Brett Spinks or did we get him from Freo?

Ironically David Haynes was the best performed of them.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

It's essentially a downgrade of our first round pick and a second for Tim Kelly. If Geelong get their two picks inside the top 15, hopefully they feel happy with that. GWS supporters might not feel so happy but they get a top five pick before their academy player is bid on, so essentially turning their first round picks into two top seven picks and a second round pick.

In my view that would represent a four party win.

I agree with all of that, it was only the bit where Stephen Hill got you band 1compo that i dont think is realistic, the rest was fair.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

GWS will be trading the Essendon pick. Say pick 9.

Eagles pick 16-18 plus pick 33-36 for pick 9.

If need be the Swans 2nd pick 23 is needed.

Pick 9 = 1469 points.

Pick 18 +36 = 1487 points.

Pick 18 + 23 = 1800 points.

If the Eagles finish between 2nd > 4th its easily done / realistic.

Finish 4th then pick 15+ 33 = 1675.

But if GWS think Green will get an early bid they are better to trade up into the top 5 ahead of it rather than trade down.

Also i dont think many clubs will see say 16 + 33 for 9 as an attractive offer. 16 + 23 is closer but i still dont think you'd get a top 10 pick from another club easily for that. But i can get your decent train of logic on it.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Yes, Oscar Allen is ahead at the moment. How much can you really read into that though when they are both second year players?

I don't see Oscar Allen as a JK replacement.

We would be foolish to trade Brander.

Who would you rather trade instead? (Genuinely interested).

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Last years premiership had many 2nd club players, not sure Elliot Yeo fills your bill?
Yeo
Kennedy
Hutchings
Cripps
Vardy
Jetta
Redden

The question posed was what star players have gone to WCE and either been just as good or who have improved. Jetta out of the lot you've listed would have been the closest to a star when he changed clubs. At best seems to be having the best patch of his career now. Redden might be better although he could find the ball at Brisbane. Vardy was never on the park at Geelong so that is about the only thing about his game that has improved at WCE. All the rest were pretty much promising youngsters when they changed, they certainly weren't stars.