Traded Tim Taranto [Traded to Richmond for #12 and #19]

[TigerTime88]

More likely, this.

And as someone suggested, we'll likely trade #19 for a future first round pick to a club that wants that first pick of the second night.

Essentially three firsts and a second the total outcome is a reasonable outcome for the losses incurred.

I think that will likely be the deal. I’m not phased on giving up all those picks which could also easily be the next Riley Collier Dawkins. People overrate picks and ecspecially those in the teens.

This will literally transform our side and so happy to even overpay to keep the relationship between the two clubs. Not sure this is GWS’s last walkout in the next few years.

 

[Morro]

More likely, this.

And as someone suggested, we'll likely trade #19 for a future first round pick to a club that wants that first pick of the second night.

Essentially three firsts and a second the total outcome is a reasonable outcome for the losses incurred.

Agreed. If we were losing 2 gun mids in their prime our Supporters would want just as much, if not more.

 

[Bay Pie]

More likely, this.

And as someone suggested, we'll likely trade #19 for a future first round pick to a club that wants that first pick of the second night.

Essentially three firsts and a second the total outcome is a reasonable outcome for the losses incurred.

I would think 12, 19, 30 and future 1st are a given.

No need for GWS to throw anything back. I’m guessing GWS will try for 2 seperate trades. Taranto uncontracted should get done for 12 & 19. 19 has juicy value on draft night.

Hopper’s a tricky one given he’s contracted. You generally pay more for contracted players.given the number of GWS players leaving don’t he needs to go for salary cap reasons.
Future 1st & 30, at least IMO. Future first could be estimated at pick 15 which isn’t a great 1st round pick.

Any excess picks for GWS, they’ll be able to easily offload 2nd & 3rd rounders for future picks.

 

[Morro]

I would think 12, 19, 30 and future 1st are a given.

No need for GWS to throw anything back. I’m guessing GWS will try for 2 seperate trades. Taranto uncontracted should get done for 12 & 19. 19 has juicy value on draft night.

Hopper’s a tricky one given he’s contracted. You generally pay more for contracted players.given the number of GWS players leaving don’t he needs to go for salary cap reasons.
Future 1st & 30, at least IMO. Future first could be estimated at pick 15 which isn’t a great 1st round pick.

Any excess picks for GWS, they’ll be able to easily offload 2nd & 3rd rounders for future picks.

I don’t disagree with you, but given they will have so many picks I think it’s a given they will throw us a bone with later picks back to us.

 

[Marcel Proust]

I don’t disagree with you, but given they will have so many picks I think it’s a given they will throw us a bone with later picks back to us.

39 and future 2nd sounds reasonable

 

[Giant Strides]

I would think 12, 19, 30 and future 1st are a given.

No need for GWS to throw anything back. I’m guessing GWS will try for 2 seperate trades. Taranto uncontracted should get done for 12 & 19. 19 has juicy value on draft night.

Hopper’s a tricky one given he’s contracted. You generally pay more for contracted players.given the number of GWS players leaving don’t he needs to go for salary cap reasons.
Future 1st & 30, at least IMO. Future first could be estimated at pick 15 which isn’t a great 1st round pick.

Any excess picks for GWS, they’ll be able to easily offload 2nd & 3rd rounders for future picks.

GWS has always been pretty amenable traders ... IMHO too amenable in some cases ... and only playing hardball on a few occasions (Treloar, Shiel, Cameron spring to mind).

I think we'll potentially look at not needing those later picks; and given that we'd strip out Richmond's picks this year, look to "throw them a bone" as another poster suggested.

Depending on how we perceive Harry Rowston as an academy pickup will IMHO determine what we do with the later picks - various options of bundling up for trade into a lower pick, future pick(s) or handing to Richmond.

 

[mrposhman]

Most reasonable Tigers posters will know we will likely have to give up Picks 12, F1, 19 and 30. Its just what we get back that will determine what we get back.

I still think a player or 2 will be involved. I believe Toby Greene

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Toby Greene

Age

31

Ht

182cm

Wt

85kg

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Fwd

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Last 5

D

22.7

5star

K

12.5

5star

HB

10.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.2

4star

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.8

4star

T

1.0

2star

G

2.3

5star

D

26.6

5star

K

12.4

5star

HB

14.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.6

5star

G

0.0

1star

should be playing midfield time, probably at lest 30% midfield time which he isn't getting. He's dynamic in that role and will still likely kick 30+ goals 70% forward anyway. I know Castagna isn't worth much in a trade by himself, but would likely fill a gap in that GWS team, is an incredibly hard worker (and the times I've seen GWS the last 2 years, the ball has rebounded quickly from their F50 when they don't mark it (Daniels if fit will also help with this), but could be a steak knives type addition to the trade. Soldo as well depending on Meek and the other I'd think Kingsley would ask about is Ralph Smith. Can all change the overall value of the deal slightly, but those 1st 4 picks all likely to be involved in the trade.

Interesting to see how this all pans out. If we get Taranto and Hopper and end up with 2 picks in the 30's or 40's (with all but our future 1st in tack) then I reckon we will have done well.

 

[mrposhman]

Depending on how we perceive Harry Rowston as an academy pickup will IMHO determine what we do with the later picks - various options of bundling up for trade into a lower pick, future pick(s) or handing to Richmond.

I haven't heard much about this kid. Whats his draft range?

 

[Giant Strides]

I haven't heard much about this kid. Whats his draft range?

I am unsure. If you look at all of the BigFooty draftwatchers, the majority have him outside their top 40/50 ... often in their "next 10". But a couple have him as a possible in the back half of the second round.

Below are his NAB League stats for the GWS Academy; he's also had three games for Calder Cannons, with the writeup below being from his quarter final game (courtesy of Rookie Me Central).

Scouting Notes: 2022 NAB League - Quarter Finals

Top-ranked sides ensured upsets would be left in Wildcard Round, as the NAB League entered week one of finals.

central.rookieme.com

#17 Harry Rowston

Rowston was always going to be Calder’s key man against some of the competition’s best midfielders, and he stood up to the task to rack up 26 disposals. He was seemingly everywhere in the opening stages, winning first possession cleanly and throwing the ball on his boot to tick up in the clearance column. Rowston’s flat kicking improved as the game wore on, and his power also translated to a couple of impressive overhead marks, including a gusty defensive 50 intercept in term one. In just a few late-season games, he established himself as the Cannons’ best midfielder.

I'd be keen to pick him up if we lose Taranto & Hopper - he'd be a replacement inside mid (probably look to a more mobile midfielder or mid-forward for the other). Just a solid grunt, but can also play forward and kick a goal. Would showcase the academy producing graduates across the draft spectrum (not just the top end), while filling a need.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Most reasonable Tigers posters will know we will likely have to give up Picks 12, F1, 19 and 30.

I'll be surprised if we do. It's a fire sale.

Collingwood got a second-rounder for Treloar while still paying him $300k a year. Richmond will relieve GWS of any money owed to Hopper next year. Blair will be reasonable in the circumstances, and GWS will have to be too.

When the dust settles I expect Richmond to still have one first-round pick, either this year's or next year's.

 

[Marcel Proust]

I'll be surprised if we do. It's a fire sale.

Collingwood got a second-rounder for Treloar while still paying him $300k a year. Richmond will relieve GWS of any money owed to Hopper next year. Blair will be reasonable in the circumstances, and GWS will have to be too.

When the dust settles I expect Richmond to still have one first-round pick, either this year's or next year's.

Doing the giants a favor really

 

[Giant Pete]

I'll be surprised if we do. It's a fire sale.

Collingwood got a second-rounder for Treloar while still paying him $300k a year. Richmond will relieve GWS of any money owed to Hopper next year. Blair will be reasonable in the circumstances, and GWS will have to be too.

When the dust settles I expect Richmond to still have one first-round pick, either this year's or next year's.

Lol.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Doing the giants a favor really

We're helping them out of a mess of their own creation, and helping ourselves too. They stuffed up, and the price they'll pay is not getting full sticker price for players they are forced to trade. It's the way of the world.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Lol.

Sorry to be the bearer of reality.

 

[Ancient Tiger]

Lol.

We don't know. I thought Hopper was happy at GWS. If they actually told him to look elsewhere because of cap pressures, he suddenly doesn't carry the same currency. So you have one uncontracted player and one contracted that may have been told they need to offload. If that's the case, it will be interesting to see the negotiations. Anything is possible and none of us are privy to the details to then be able to value the players.

 

[Andyy]

Most reasonable Tigers posters will know we will likely have to give up Picks 12, F1, 19 and 30.

I am on board with this, but what really matters is how hard a bargain GWS can drive given their TPP circumstances and what other trade options they have.

If Taranto and Hopper have accepted offers and are only agreeable to go to Richmond that makes it a lot harder for GWS, although I still think RFC will trade fairly enough.

I'd be keen to get pick 39 back if possible, otherwise at least 57 & 59 so we can take a couple of free hits late maybe on a developing tall forward. If GWS have picks 3, 12, 19 and 21 they might not even use 39 anyway so we'll see.

 

[prodigy]

In any normal scenario, I'd expect Richmond would have to give up 12, 19, 30, F1st in order to secure both. Maybe even a player on top.
The GWS cap pressure throws a spanner in the works though.
You'd imagine that they are in a position where they need to resolve that issue before the start of the 2023 season.

From the outside looking in, to me, it seems like they NEED to ensure that these trades go through, which isn't a strong position to be in when it comes to negotiations.

On the other hand, Richmond are notoriously very fair in all trade dealings, so I expect us to give a fair and equitable trade.

I wouldn't be surprised if we managed to hold onto either 19 or 30 this year.
It's going to be very interesting, I'd love to be a fly on the wall for this.
If Netflix Australia had any sense they would try and get some cameras in the negotiations somehow, would be an enthralling watch.

 

[mrposhman]

I am on board with this, but what really matters is how hard a bargain GWS can drive given their TPP circumstances and what other trade options they have.

If Taranto and Hopper have accepted offers and are only agreeable to go to Richmond that makes it a lot harder for GWS, although I still think RFC will trade fairly enough.

I'd be keen to get pick 39 back if possible, otherwise at least 57 & 59 so we can take a couple of free hits late maybe on a developing tall forward. If GWS have picks 3, 12, 19 and 21 they might not even use 39 anyway so we'll see.

Thats what I'm hoping too. Give those 4 picks up and hopefully get those 3 back, 39, 57 and 59. If we can trade 57 and 59 into a pick between 40-45, then we take those 2 to the draft.

 

[austyn08]

Thats what I'm hoping too. Give those 4 picks up and hopefully get those 3 back, 39, 57 and 59. If we can trade 57 and 59 into a pick between 40-45, then we take those 2 to the draft.

Trading 57 and 59 might get you around 52 at most

 

[4tune8]

I am on board with this, but what really matters is how hard a bargain GWS can drive given their TPP circumstances and what other trade options they have.

If Taranto and Hopper have accepted offers and are only agreeable to go to Richmond that makes it a lot harder for GWS, although I still think RFC will trade fairly enough.

I'd be keen to get pick 39 back if possible, otherwise at least 57 & 59 so we can take a couple of free hits late maybe on a developing tall forward. If GWS have picks 3, 12, 19 and 21 they might not even use 39 anyway so we'll see.

They'll trade 19 out for a 1st next year.......

 

[Andyy]

They'll trade 19 out for a 1st next year.......

How do you know? Or just to spread the picks out a bit?

Already looking at 2 firsts for 2023 draft as it is.

 

[Danog]

Most reasonable Tigers posters will know we will likely have to give up Picks 12, F1, 19 and 30. Its just what we get back that will determine what we get back.

I still think a player or 2 will be involved. I believe Toby Greene should be playing midfield time, probably at lest 30% midfield time which he isn't getting. He's dynamic in that role and will still likely kick 30+ goals 70% forward anyway. I know Castagna isn't worth much in a trade by himself, but would likely fill a gap in that GWS team, is an incredibly hard worker (and the times I've seen GWS the last 2 years, the ball has rebounded quickly from their F50 when they don't mark it (Daniels if fit will also help with this), but could be a steak knives type addition to the trade. Soldo as well depending on Meek and the other I'd think Kingsley would ask about is Ralph Smith. Can all change the overall value of the deal slightly, but those 1st 4 picks all likely to be involved in the trade.

Interesting to see how this all pans out. If we get Taranto and Hopper and end up with 2 picks in the 30's or 40's (with all but our future 1st in tack) then I reckon we will have done well.

Should be 12, 19, 30, Future 1st, fringe player (Soldo/Ralphsmith/Mansell/Dow)

For Taranto, Hopper, 39, 59, future 3rd.

 

[4tune8]

How do you know? Or just to spread the picks out a bit?

Already looking at 2 firsts for 2023 draft as it is.

I reckon it's odds on to happen, they'll end up with 3-12-19-21-30-39-57-59 (too many picks) plus whatever they get for Bruhn and Hill (which could also be future picks) Next years draft is already being touted as a much stronger draft than this year so it makes sense to move 19 into a 1st round pick next year, you never know which club wants a slider this year that they have their sights set on. Either way 19 is valued higher than a late 1st pick so that satiates the need for GWS along with 12-30-F1

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Length of contract is taken in to compo as well is it not?

In most scenarios it doesn't affect the outcome and where it does it unlikely to change anything.

It's long and complicated to explain but it's barely relevant

 

[Maximus 2011]

Should be 12, 19, 30, Future 1st, fringe player (Soldo/Ralphsmith/Mansell/Dow)

For Taranto, Hopper, 39, 59, future 3rd.

Soldo/Ralphsmith/Mansell/Dow would not get a game for the Giants and we don't want your trash thanks. May as well throw in your other rubbish like RCD. Not interested. We get players on the park next year for once we don't need depth players like that.