Time to ban live export once and for all

[WA ROO]

This isn't just about live export
The end goal is no meat industry at all

 

[Kwality]

The FTA with Indonesia includes live cattle:
Tarrifs will be immediately halved then wiped within five years for frozen beef and sheep meat, while live cattle farmers will be granted duty free access for up to 575,000 cattle in the first year.
https://www.9news.com.au/world/2019...ark-trade-deal-with-australia-to-help-farmers

 

[Craven Morehead]

The FTA with Indonesia includes live cattle:
Tarrifs will be immediately halved then wiped within five years for frozen beef and sheep meat, while live cattle farmers will be granted duty free access for up to 575,000 cattle in the first year.
https://www.9news.com.au/world/2019...ark-trade-deal-with-australia-to-help-farmers

Looks good on paper, but if Labor get in as expected, it'll be a whole new ball game with them openly stating that they're going to shut LE down.

 

[Kwality]

Looks good on paper, but if Labor get in as expected, it'll be a whole new ball game with them openly stating that they're going to shut LE down.

I had to smile wondering whether Labour will hide behind the FTA to keep the industry going.

 

[Craven Morehead]

I had to smile wondering whether Labour will hide behind the FTA to keep the industry going.

They can't shut Indonesia LE down without shutting down the rest. Well they could, but they'd look like idiots. I'm budgeting and re-forecasting for a change.

 

[Benny78]

I think it should be banned. Just export meat which also means new jobs and all that bullshit for Australia

 

[Fat Yak]

I think it should be banned. Just export meat which also means new jobs and all that bullshit for Australia

you live in fantasy land
https://thewest.com.au/business/agr...n-wont-stop-sheep-ships-kuwait-ng-b881116639z

 

[Kwality]

you live in fantasy land
https://thewest.com.au/business/agr...n-wont-stop-sheep-ships-kuwait-ng-b881116639z

Might believe everyone everywhere has a fridge, his Mum has one.

 

[Caesar]

Cattle producers jubilant as Federal Court rules in their favour over live export shutdown

The Federal Court sides with class-action litigants, saying the Gillard government knew there was a risk a live export ban might be invalid yet "plunged ahead regardless".

www.abc.net.au

 

[Taylor]

Cattle producers jubilant as Federal Court rules in their favour over live export shutdown

The Federal Court sides with class-action litigants, saying the Gillard government knew there was a risk a live export ban might be invalid yet "plunged ahead regardless".

www.abc.net.au

I feel like this is exactly how the system should work, the government seek to act however they see fit and the courts in their independence bring them into line.

 

[Caesar]

I feel like this is exactly how the system should work, the government seek to act however they see fit and the courts in their independence bring them into line.

Yeah, just **** everyone who went to the wall in the intervening ten years.

I'm sympathetic to people who want live exports curtailed or banned, but the government's handling of this situation was a complete fiasco. Making major economic decisions based on what you saw on TV last Monday night is nothing short of irresponsible.

 

[Kwality]

They can't shut Indonesia LE down without shutting down the rest. Well they could, but they'd look like idiots. I'm budgeting and re-forecasting for a change.

the die was cast, now to pay the piper .......

 

[Taylor]

Yeah, just fu** everyone who went to the wall in the intervening ten years.

I'm sympathetic to people who want live exports curtailed or banned, but the government's handling of this situation was a complete fiasco. Making major economic decisions based on what you saw on TV last Monday night is nothing short of irresponsible.

I didn't envision a circumstance where the government acting in a way adjudged illegal by the court isn't liable for damages.

That's actually how I expect the government to be kept colouring in the lines.

 

[Caesar]

I didn't envision a circumstance where the government acting in a way adjudged illegal by the court isn't liable for damages.

There is only so much that damages can compensate for.

 

[Taylor]

There is only so much that damages can compensate for.

I agree, but a lifetime of earnings lost for a business that went broke and punitive inclusions for suffering will go a long way there.
I'd expect the lawyers to line up to assist when there could be rulings above $50,000,000.

It would be better if governments didn't shoot from the hip illegally but they will, and it could be so much worse if there wasn't a system in place to keep that honest - I'd hope there are damages available.

 

[Hornberger]

Cattle producers jubilant as Federal Court rules in their favour over live export shutdown

The Federal Court sides with class-action litigants, saying the Gillard government knew there was a risk a live export ban might be invalid yet "plunged ahead regardless".

www.abc.net.au

I think there is a pretty good chance of that decision getting over-turned on appeal.

 

[Kwality]

I agree, but a lifetime of earnings lost for a business that went broke and punitive inclusions for suffering will go a long way there.
I'd expect the lawyers to line up to assist when there could be rulings above $50,000,000.

It would be better if governments didn't shoot from the hip illegally but they will, and it could be so much worse if there wasn't a system in place to keep that honest - I'd hope there are damages available.

Ah the ambulance chasers in the legal profession, rebranded as labour lawyers, the litigation specialists, the 'no win, no pay' promoters .....

The future of litigation funding and class actions in Australia - Class Actions - Australia

A range of measures announced to deal with criticisms surrounding the litigation funding & class action regimes in Australia.

www.mondaq.com

 

[Caesar]

I agree, but a lifetime of earnings lost for a business that went broke and punitive inclusions for suffering will go a long way there.

Unless you worked in a business and lost your job, or ran a downstream business that was damaged by flow-on effects, or were merely weakened to the point where the drought took you out. Too bad if you’ve had to pull your kid out of school because you couldn’t afford the fees and ruined their education. Too bad if you committed suicide.

A decade is a long time.

It would be better if governments didn't shoot from the hip illegally but they will, and it could be so much worse if there wasn't a system in place to keep that honest - I'd hope there are damages available.

Damages are something but they are not a reset button. They don’t abrogate the duty of governments to act responsibly at the time.

I think there is a pretty good chance of that decision getting over-turned on appeal.

Quite possibly. Certainly given the impact of the decision I don’t see how an appeal can be avoided.

But mere fact that there is still ambiguity ten years later is in itself a damning indictment of the initial decision. Legally justified or not, for a Minister of Agriculture to do hundreds of millions of dollars of damage to our export industry in such perfunctory manner boggles the mind.

And people wonder why rural voters remain rusted on to the Nationals.

 

[Freomaniac]

Maybe not that intelligent but sheep are generally quite nice animals, don't like seeing them suffer like that.

I still remember a random ross lyon thread on the freo board.

It went from talking about Ross Lyon to ethics and animal cruelty.

wondering the freo fan that Brought it up.

ydraw I think brought it up that Bashing a cow on the head with a sledgehammer was deemed ethical.

Then I replied, what would you consider unethical cruelty to an animal? Watching it teabagged to death by Tough man tony abbott? lol

 

[Kwality]

Watching it teabagged to death by Tough man tony abbott? lol

More likely to give it a wash with a fire hose, tea bags for those who sit & watch ....

 

[Freo Big Fella]

Labor giving minor, but still hugely critical, portfolios like Ag to talentless union bovver boys like Ludwig as a matter of course when in Government leads to this sort of idiocy, and is a problem they're still yet to satisfactorily address.

 

[Freomaniac]

More likely to give it a wash with a fire hose, tea bags for those who sit & watch ....

Yes, I am sure Mr Tough Man tony abbott is a Good old humanitarian

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Another black day for this horrible industry.

40+ human lives appear to have been lost and 5,000 odd head of cattle which from what I have been able to find, appear to have been pregnant dairy cows.

 

[Kwality]

Another black day for this horrible industry.

40+ human lives appear to have been lost and 5,000 odd head of cattle which from what I have been able to find, appear to have been pregnant dairy cows.

so for herds (dairy)?

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

so for herds (dairy)?

Yep