Time to ban live export once and for all

[Pie eyed]

Ban live sheep exports.

Why do we turn a blind eye to animal torture for profit just because this country has some farmers who can't turn an honest profit?

Shoot all the ****in cotton and rice farmers as well.
Leeching campaigners.

 

[Fat Yak]

Ban live sheep exports.

Why do we turn a blind eye to animal torture for profit just because this country has some farmers who can't turn an honest profit?

Shoot all the ****in cotton and rice farmers as well.
Leeching campaigners.

What a silly person you are, if Australia stops live export there are plenty of other countries willing to step up to fill the void with no concern for animal welfare.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Ban live sheep exports.

Why do we turn a blind eye to animal torture for profit just because this country has some farmers who can't turn an honest profit?

Shoot all the ****in cotton and rice farmers as well.
Leeching campaigners.

Rice is ok, the yield for the water used is better than our other staple crops.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Fires on ships are hardly unheard of, even in ships exporting mining industry products. (nowhatimean?)
The whole scabby mouth fiasco was purely political. It had NOTHING to do with LE and EVERYTHING to do with politics at the time.
I thought better of you than this to be honest.

A mining ship catches fire. The crew jump on a lifeboat.

A live export ship catches fire, it's one gigantic bbq.

It doesn't matter if it was political or scabby mouth (which it wasn't). There were 10s of 1000s of head floating around in stifling conditions. Over 2 months stuck at sea and 6,000 out of 58,000 head dead and there has been worse than that.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

What a tosser you are, if Australia stops live export there are plenty of other countries willing to step up to fill the void with no concern for animal welfare.

Name all those countries that could step straight up to the plate if Australia stopped exports tomorrow?

I read this put up all the time.

 

[Maggie5]

Name all those countries that could step straight up to the plate if Australia stopped exports tomorrow?

I read this put up all the time.

New Zealand

 

[Craven Morehead]

They have endless amounts of quality fresh water

This is one of the grants related to their infrastructure

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2...h-irrigation-project-in-the-kimberley/7778166

More rubbish. I've seen the Fitzroy, right at that station, reduced to muddy pools in the middle of winter on more than one occasion.

 

[Craven Morehead]

A mining ship catches fire. The crew jump on a lifeboat.

A live export ship catches fire, it's one gigantic bbq.

It doesn't matter if it was political or scabby mouth (which it wasn't). There were 10s of 1000s of head floating around in stifling conditions. Over 2 months stuck at sea and 6,000 out of 58,000 head dead and there has been worse than that.

Of course it matters.
Those sheep were sent in good faith by the exporter and were caught up in an orchestrated political shit-fight.
How on earth was the exporter supposed to know that was around the corner?

I love how you eat lamb, but complain about the way they are trucked and then conflate road transport with LE.
It's quite incredible logic.

 

[Craven Morehead]

Name all those countries that could step straight up to the plate if Australia stopped exports tomorrow?

I read this put up all the time.

Brazil and Argentina would fill the breach in a heartbeat.
I invite you to research their animal welfare records.

 

[Power Raid]

More rubbish. I've seen the Fitzroy, right at that station, reduced to muddy pools in the middle of winter on more than one occasion.

Ever heard of ground water and pumps?

Before you respond with more nonsense, just remember the elders are calling for prosecution for the failing to monitor and maintain the equipment.

This has nothing to do with drought rather it has everything to do with drugs, alcohol and negligence

 

[Craven Morehead]

Ever heard of ground water and pumps?

Before you respond with more nonsense, just remember the elders are calling for prosecution for the failing to monitor and maintain the equipment.

This has nothing to do with drought rather it has everything to do with drugs, alcohol and negligence

Who said it had anything to with drought?
The Kimberley isn't drought declared, and hell of a lot of underground water in that region is unsuitable for irrigation.
Again, this is a thread about LE. I'm not sure why you think this is relevant here?

 

[Power Raid]

Who said it had anything to with drought?
The Kimberley isn't drought declared, and hell of a lot of underground water in that region is unsuitable for irrigation.
Again, this is a thread about LE. I'm not sure why you think this is relevant here?

The relevancy is putting perspective to the whole supply chain. It is impossible to say live export deaths or suffering is bad without understanding of the whole issue.

We must hold the whole industry accountable from start to finish. Otherwise you may actually cause more harm to animals, especially if greater responsibility is placed on irresponsible people as per this example.

 

[Craven Morehead]

The relevancy is putting perspective to the whole supply chain. It is impossible to say live export deaths or suffering is bad without understanding of the whole issue.

We must hold the whole industry accountable from start to finish. Otherwise you may actually cause more harm to animals, especially if greater responsibility is placed on irresponsible people as per this example.

You're quoting a complete outlier from the norm though.
Unless you think this is an everyday/every state occurrence which would be just too stupid for words.
I stated earlier that indigenous owned stations have a notorious and sad history. Both through sheer mismanagement from white and black staff through to outright fraud, such as the case with Strelley Pastoral Co.
No-one hopes more than me that the situation is finally sorted, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Of course it matters.
Those sheep were sent in good faith by the exporter and were caught up in an orchestrated political shit-fight.
How on earth was the exporter supposed to know that was around the corner?

I love how you eat lamb, but complain about the way they are trucked and then conflate road transport with LE.
It's quite incredible logic.

You really need to brush up on your reading comprehension. Not once did I complain about the way they are trucked, I just made the observation that they're crammed in so they support each other and don't fall over. I did say that I didn't like it but understood why it is done.

You can deflect the blame everywhere else you like but I think any reasonable sort of person would agree that the live export of livestock on long sea voyages is pretty ordinary.

As disgusting as it was, you can take that episode of scabby mouth on the MV Cormo Express out of the argument, there's plenty more ordinary incidents involving that particular ship and plenty of other ships with their own incidents.

 

[Power Raid]

You're quoting a complete outlier from the norm though.
Unless you think this is an everyday/every state occurrence which would be just too stupid for words.
I stated earlier that indigenous owned stations have a notorious and sad history. Both through sheer mismanagement from white and black staff through to outright fraud, such as the case with Strelley Pastoral Co.
No-one hopes more than me that the situation is finally sorted, but I'm not holding my breath.

I’d prefer to see live exports come to an end, as I can’t see how it can be done humanely.

But I think we need to look at the whole industry from start to finish. We probably need to do the same for all animals especially pork.

The response should be measured and certainly not based on set ups or knee jerk political stunts.

 

[Craven Morehead]

You really need to brush up on your reading comprehension. Not once did I complain about the way they are trucked, I just made the observation that they're crammed in so they support each other and don't fall over. I did say that I didn't like it but understood why it is done.

Thanks, I'll keep this in mind next time I pass a livestock truck full of sheep and there's a heap of them with their heads squashed at funny angles up against the side of the trailer.(will probably be the next one that I pass). You and I obviously have different interpretations / tolerances of what is and isn't crammed / squashed / packed.

That certainly looks like a complaint to me. Yet, in the same breath, you accept it as you enjoy your lamb chops.

You can deflect the blame everywhere else you like but I think any reasonable sort of person would agree that the live export of livestock on long sea voyages is pretty ordinary.

There is no deflection, it's a fact. The exporter had no idea of the shitstorm awaiting them
What were they supposed to do?
Just dump 50,000 sheep in a foreign port with no facilities, no water, no feed, no quarantine agreement with Australia? That'd end well for the sheep, aye?
Steam back home with no feed or water for the animals? They'd ALL starve to death on the way home.
Yes, animals died, and it was bloody awful, but did the exporter do the wrong thing here?
You're dreaming if you think they wanted thousands of animals to die. Just dreaming.

As disgusting as it was, you can take that episode of scabby mouth on the MV Cormo Express out of the argument, there's plenty more ordinary incidents involving that particular ship and plenty of other ships with their own incidents.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to think that pen rates on trucks equate to pen rates on LE ships?
Enjoy your 60 minutes videos and keep believing that it is a reality.
It's not.

 

[Craven Morehead]

I’d prefer to see live exports come to an end, as I can’t see how it can be done humanely.

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Well, with all due respect, you wouldn't from the comfort of some corporate chair in some city.

 

[Power Raid]

Well, with all due respect, you wouldn't from the comfort of some corporate chair in some city.

Put that smart arse comment in context to the rest of the post.

Advocating a whole industry review and making informed decisions rather than political stunts.

 

[Craven Morehead]

Put that smart arse comment in context to the rest of the post.

Advocating a whole industry review and making informed decisions rather than political stunts.

Where, and when, has the entire livestock industry EVER been under question?
We are considered GLOBALLY as industry leaders, if not, the best in the business.
I welcome your review, and continue to laugh at you bringing a sad indigenous issue in an attempt to prove your exceptionally lame point.
Go drink some expensive wine somewhere else. You have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Power Raid]

Where, and when, has the entire livestock industry EVER been under question?
We are considered GLOBALLY as industry leaders, if not, the best in the business.
I welcome your review, and continue to laugh at you bringing a sad indigenous issue in an attempt to prove your exceptionally lame point.
Go drink some expensive wine somewhere else. You have no idea what you're talking about.

I think I understand your position now.

When I call for an entire review, it’s about becoming informed of the whole industry.

To think politicians have shut down parts of the industry due to limited footage and in some cases fraudulent footage.

Reviews should be welcomed by industry as they are not only an opportunity to improve but an even greater opportunity to restore confidence in the sector.

In short it provides substance to shut the misleading and deceptive greens and the knee jerk politicians up for who they really are.

 

[Maggie5]

All this talk about meat, made me go out and try another butcher. Bought a couple pieces of porterhouse early in the week and it was terrific. Based on that I went back today and bought some more and made note of the prices (haven't really noticed before as don't mind paying for good food).

If farmer gets about $2.70 a kilo, I just paid: Lamb cutlets-$49.99/k, Leg of Lamb-$17.99/k, Scotch-$43.99/k, Eye fillet-$59.99/k and lean mince-$17.99/k.

Who is getting the rest of the money?

 

[Hawk Dork]

All this talk about meat, made me go out and try another butcher. Bought a couple pieces of porterhouse early in the week and it was terrific. Based on that I went back today and bought some more and made note of the prices (haven't really noticed before as don't mind paying for good food).

If farmer gets about $2.70 a kilo, I just paid: Lamb cutlets-$49.99/k, Leg of Lamb-$17.99/k, Scotch-$43.99/k, Eye fillet-$59.99/k and lean mince-$17.99/k.

Who is getting the rest of the money?

the illuminati

 

[Craven Morehead]

All this talk about meat, made me go out and try another butcher. Bought a couple pieces of porterhouse early in the week and it was terrific. Based on that I went back today and bought some more and made note of the prices (haven't really noticed before as don't mind paying for good food).

If farmer gets about $2.70 a kilo, I just paid: Lamb cutlets-$49.99/k, Leg of Lamb-$17.99/k, Scotch-$43.99/k, Eye fillet-$59.99/k and lean mince-$17.99/k.

Who is getting the rest of the money?

Again, that's only the beef price, and liveweight.
Yield it out to around 58% of meat and bone.
Then less than 10% of that is prime cuts.
Mind you, I nearly fell off my chair at $59.99 for eye fillet and $43.99 for scotch.
Add ins are levy's, slaughter fees, abattoir mark ups, wholesale meat supplier mark ups, then retailer mark ups.
Beef and sheep farmers are making reasonable money at present, if they are not in drought of course, but we get nothing like the middle men and retailers.

 

[Maggie5]

Again, that's only the beef price, and liveweight.
Yield it out to around 58% of meat and bone.
Then less than 10% of that is prime cuts.
Mind you, I nearly fell off my chair at $59.99 for eye fillet and $43.99 for scotch.
Add ins are levy's, slaughter fees, abattoir mark ups, wholesale meat supplier mark ups, then retailer mark ups.
Beef and sheep farmers are making reasonable money at present, if they are not in drought of course, but we get nothing like the middle men and retailers.

Thanks for that. I actually was going to throw the receipt away but then kept it in case I wasn't believed.
I must admit that it is all well trimmed so no excess fat, maybe that is part of their cost.

 

[Craven Morehead]

Thanks for that. I actually was going to throw the receipt away but then kept it in case I wasn't believed.
I must admit that it is all well trimmed so no excess fat, maybe that is part of their cost.

All those trimmings make up those gourmet sausages and mince.
I do all mine on farm, hence my surprise at what you're paying in the big smoke.