Time to scrap all Vic clubs and create 3-4 mega Vic franchises

[Lavender Bushranger]

Or we don’t kick anyone out unless the AFL finds itself being in the uncomfortable position of being unable to support struggling clubs?

I think this is where people get it wrong.

The clubs support the AFL. Not vice versa.

The enormous revenue generated by the AFL is because they have 18 clubs, not despite it.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

and we need to balance out the variables such as ground deals, AFL's revenue slice from club operations and club situations (growth markets?) etc. before we can determine which they are.

Gold coast is out of the equation. Not fair to throw in a growth club. North melbourne has been around more than long enough, same with western bulldogs. If a club has been around for a 100 years that requires welfare cheques to survive they probably need to look at merging or relocating them to a new growth area.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

I think

Please don’t. It’s embarrassing.

 

[kaiserchief13]

In a business sense it is the most logical, however lots of fans will mad af and could result in them moving to other sports which would result in less revenue

 

[Bald]

Gold coast is out of the equation. Not fair to throw in a growth club. North melbourne has been around more than long enough, same with western bulldogs. If a club has been around for a 100 years that requires welfare cheques to survive they probably need to look at merging or relocating them to a new growth area.

Doesn't every club receive assistance from the AFL?

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

In a business sense it is the most logical, however lots of fans will mad af and could result in them moving to other sports which would result in less revenue

Well there’s that.
Or scrapping 150 years of history…

 

[Shack18]

I think the time is right for the AFL to scrap all 10 existing Vic clubs and create 3-4 mega franchised Vic clubs. The existing Vic clubs are a massive drain on the system - several only survive by selling home games (Haw, NM, Rich and Melb). Cricket benefited enormously from abolishing the state T20 teams and franchising, and I think the AFL could benefit in the same way.

I think the following works:

• a Central/North Melbourne team.
• a South/East Melbourne team.
• a West Melbourne team

Maybe split Central and North to make four Vic teams?

Lol why on earth would you do that? What problem are you trying to solve?
Go Roos

 

[eastfreo75]

Doesn't every club receive assistance from the AFL?

Every club gets $10m from the TV rights.

Some clubs get more funding.

 

[My_Username]

Gold coast is out of the equation. Not fair to throw in a growth club. North melbourne has been around more than long enough, same with western bulldogs. If a club has been around for a 100 years that requires welfare cheques to survive they probably need to look at merging or relocating them to a new growth area.

My point is that it's not a level playing field.
Give them the same stadium deals that Geelong gets and see how much welfare they require. (or do we consider all the funding that went into KP when looking at the 'welfare' that clubs get?)

People also need to stop looking at the 'headline' figures for money from the AFL. Docklands tenants particularly (but not exclusively) get a lot of money 'from the AFL' that is really just the AFL collecting money and passing it on that other clubs get directly (ground advertising, food and beverage rights, etc.).

What about fixtures? These have both short and long term effects on club finances.

Point is, if we're going to throw clubs out for 'collecting welfare', then lets even out the field first (or at least acknowledge that a lot of that welfare is more correctly considered as compensation).

 

[Bald]

Every club gets $10m from the TV rights.

Some clubs get more funding.

All clubs get more than $10m, though. It’s correct that some get more for sure, but the poster I was responding too said “If clubs need welfare cheques to survive they need to merge or relocate”, which would be every club.

 

[eastfreo75]

All clubs get more than $10m, though. It’s correct that some get more for sure, but the poster I was responding too said “If clubs need welfare cheques to survive they need to merge or relocate”, which would be every club.

Winners and losers: The 2023 AFL club funding ladder revealed

As the AFL finalises the variable funding for 2023, The Age can reveal what the clubs have been told they will receive. Shedding light on the figures has prompted Collingwood president Jeff Browne to call on the AFL to do something about the funding chasm.

www.theage.com.au

Ok everybody gets a least $10.5m and not $10m.

Over 10 years Footscray received $40m more than the Dockers.

By giving more to other clubs, other clubs receive less.

Dogs, Saints, and Roos are a drain on the competition.

 

[Blackas87]

Winners and losers: The 2023 AFL club funding ladder revealed

As the AFL finalises the variable funding for 2023, The Age can reveal what the clubs have been told they will receive. Shedding light on the figures has prompted Collingwood president Jeff Browne to call on the AFL to do something about the funding chasm.

www.theage.com.au

Ok everybody gets a least $10.5m and not $10m.

Over 10 years Footscray received $40m more than the Dockers.

By giving more to other clubs, other clubs receive less.

Dogs, Saints, and Roos are a drain on the competition.

They aren’t, TV rights divided by every club per year is $24 million. They receive less than what they make the league.

 

[eastfreo75]

They aren’t, TV rights divided by every club per year is $24 million. They receive less than what they make the league.

oh deer.

Pretty simple mate, the clubs take a cut and AFL take a cut.

 

[Blackas87]

oh deer.

Pretty simple mate, the clubs take a cut and AFL take a cut.

*dear

So without those clubs the AFL will take less.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

Dogs, Saints, and Roos are a drain on the competition.

At least they have flags and history.
What have “flagmantle” got?

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Doesn't every club receive assistance from the AFL?

As mentioned each club gets a share of the tv rights. Certain clubs get handed payments additionally due to not generating enough income to substantiate themselves in the league. Bulldogs north and the expansion clubs i believe are the ones.

I know it wouldnt be popular for north or bulldogs, but a relocation to ballarat and building a stadium down there and grass roots would pay off huge dividends over the next 30-50 years. Ballarat has grown by about 20,000 people the last 6 years. In 20 odd years it will be well over 200,000 population and no footy team.

I just dont see north or bulldogs having the balls to do it

 

[eastfreo75]

At least they have flags and history.
What have “flagmantle” got?

Dogs and Saints don't have flags.

Premiership in a 12nd team local league is very different to a flag in a national 18 team competition.

North Melbourne last flag was when they had a recruiting zone where they got Carey, Archer and co for free. Roos hasn't won a flag when drafting, trading, and free agency was the only way to build a list.

 

[Bald]

As mentioned each club gets a share of the tv rights. Certain clubs get handed payments additionally due to not generating enough income to substantiate themselves in the league. Bulldogs north and the expansion clubs i believe are the ones.

I know it wouldnt be popular for north or bulldogs, but a relocation to ballarat and building a stadium down there and grass roots would pay off huge dividends over the next 30-50 years. Ballarat has grown by about 20,000 people the last 6 years. In 20 odd years it will be well over 200,000 population and no footy team.

I just dont see north or bulldogs having the balls to do it

Geelong receive $2.5m above the TV rights money if the $10m is accurate. Does that not fit the narrative that if clubs can't operate without assistance they should be moved?

 

[Bald]

Winners and losers: The 2023 AFL club funding ladder revealed

As the AFL finalises the variable funding for 2023, The Age can reveal what the clubs have been told they will receive. Shedding light on the figures has prompted Collingwood president Jeff Browne to call on the AFL to do something about the funding chasm.

www.theage.com.au

Ok everybody gets a least $10.5m and not $10m.

Over 10 years Footscray received $40m more than the Dockers.

By giving more to other clubs, other clubs receive less.

Dogs, Saints, and Roos are a drain on the competition.

You realize that there will never be a situation where every club receives nothing or equal amounts of money though right, like I understand you're trying to get a raise out of certain supporters but if you take away every club that receives more than another, you don't have a competition. Is that your preference?

 

[Blackas87]

As mentioned each club gets a share of the tv rights. Certain clubs get handed payments additionally due to not generating enough income to substantiate themselves in the league. Bulldogs north and the expansion clubs i believe are the ones.

I know it wouldnt be popular for north or bulldogs, but a relocation to ballarat and building a stadium down there and grass roots would pay off huge dividends over the next 30-50 years. Ballarat has grown by about 20,000 people the last 6 years. In 20 odd years it will be well over 200,000 population and no footy team.

I just dont see north or bulldogs having the balls to do it

Population goes up everywhere. 200,000 won’t be big enough for an AFL team in 20 years time. Melbourne’s population is predicated to be over 8 million in 2050.

 

[Coolangatta]

As mentioned each club gets a share of the tv rights. Certain clubs get handed payments additionally due to not generating enough income to substantiate themselves in the league. Bulldogs north and the expansion clubs i believe are the ones.

I know it wouldnt be popular for north or bulldogs, but a relocation to ballarat and building a stadium down there and grass roots would pay off huge dividends over the next 30-50 years. Ballarat has grown by about 20,000 people the last 6 years. In 20 odd years it will be well over 200,000 population and no footy team.

I just dont see north or bulldogs having the balls to do it

Yeah, keep the Vic clubs in Victoria, but move them further out.

Bulldogs to Ballarat fits like a glove, just have to figure out where in outer Victoria to put North and the Saints, even if it takes 10 years.

GWS could be rebooted as Canberra if they fail and the Suns in North Queensland if they fail.

No existing club has to fold or merge, but they should move. That move has to be close to their roots, though. GWS is the exception because of their ties to Canberra, and that’s only if they fail which they won’t.

Like you said, the new clubs deserve more time. Goodness knows the Saints, Roos, and Dogs have had over 100 years and are still here.

 

[Pistol Night]

Is Adelaide still in lockdown?

Yeah but no one noticed

 

[Coolangatta]

Population goes up everywhere. 200,000 won’t be big enough for an AFL team in 20 years time. Melbourne’s population is predicated to be over 8 million in 2050.

Yes but stadium deals = $$$. Even if they don’t move, Bulldogs playing more games in Ballarat, say 4, would be a good business decision. Ditto Saints and North finding a solid market for 4 games. North will need a new one and Saints aren’t in a financial position to scoff at selling home games.

 

[Pistol Night]

Agreed. North, South ,East and Collingwood.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Population goes up everywhere. 200,000 won’t be big enough for an AFL team in 20 years time. Melbourne’s population is predicated to be over 8 million in 2050.

Geelongs current population is 250,000 and we have a very strong base down there with a mix of melbourne based members.

Do you think of the growth when you wipe out all the soccer fans and non footy people in general that north and bulldogs will be getting some huge chunk?? Not to mention the stronger more popular AFL clubs will hog most of the growth in support anyway.

North and bulldogs will still have fan bases in melbourne, but they need to relocate to a growing regional area and build roots there. The population doesnt have to be in the millions if your thr only team in town playing 10 HA games.