Toby Greene makes contact with umpire - Update: Suspension Increased to 6 weeks on Appeal

[RonnieRaven]

Umpires report non incidents on the spot so you would think if the ump took offence he would of put him in the book straight away.
Everyone’s riding the high horse but the person effected didn’t think it deserved a report so why would anyone else??
Give him a fine for a bad look and next season if they want to improve the look of the game anyone who touches an ump does those stupid love taps off the ball stomping, face touching an so forth it’s an automatic week then load up from there depending on circumstances.

 

[HPKS]

If Toby’s action was done at local league it could escalate very quickly depending upon the personality of the umpire


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he would have been given the red card

 

[Madas]

Into means contact. There was none.

Keep spinning
Only because he got out the way

 

[Colonial]

Keep spinning
Only because he got out the way

Accuses others of spin and then spins

 

[Madas]

Over to you AFL Greene is your problem now.

You should have stamped out his antics well before this, but you accommodated him and now he is sticking the figure up at you and laughing.


My prediction knowing the AFL - Stevic to cop a week for staging

Bloody Good post

 

[Madas]

Accuses others of spin and then spins

Yeh I think we are done here
Good luck in the finals without him

 

[tombomb]

Reminded me of high school with some dimwit bully walking along bumping people.

If they made contact, he has to get multiple weeks.

 

[RonnieRaven]

If Toby’s action was done at local league it could escalate very quickly depending upon the personality of the umpire


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I could list a few incidents Selwoods done this year that if they were done in junior local league oppo parents would of ran on the field asking for blood!

 

[theyellowsash]

Giants fans in this thread

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

What the hell was he thinking?

Absolute gun, love watching him play, but that's the rest of the season. It wasn't a nudge as some are describing it, it was aggressive and it was deliberate.

5 or 6 weeks, minimum. I would be absolutely staggered if it was only one or 2 or a fine, you can't do that.

I retract the above . Having now seen the footage from a slightly different angle in slow motion, at the very worst it might be a fine, maybe.

 

[Tulip]

Its not a shoulder charge like it first appeared but there's still obviously contact. Stevic moving out the way made it better for Toby who clearly had white line fever again.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Toby owes the umpire a beer. It was like synchronised swimming, just as Toby could have been making contact, the umpire turned to walk and talk with him.

Maybe a fine or a good talking to for his aggresive approach, you still can't do that to officials.

 

[BringOn2017]

3 weeks. Made deliberate contact and if the umpire didn’t move, would have been worst. It was intimidation.

It’s up to the players to make contact. The second you even entertain the idea that this is acceptable, you won’t have umpires on lower levels.

 

[hcd199]

Anything less than multiple weeks would be continuing down the same absurd self-defeating line the AFL has been for some time now, where trivial acts are harshly penalised for the sake of appearing to take a stand, but serious violations get the same or even less penalty.

This isn't some innocent tap on the forearm to get the umpire's attention, or incidental contact during the course of play; Greene's engaging 'robustly' with the umpire verbally so he knows he's there, and he chooses to continue walking directly at him such that contact takes place. There can be no question that this is intentional.

So apparently that's a fine at minimum, but to go to the tribunal it has to either be "aggressive, forceful, demonstrative or disrespectful", or fall under a general heading like 'serious misconduct'. Again, I think it's hard to argue what we saw here wasn't "disrespectful" (you can absolutely discuss a decision with the umpire and respectfully disagree, but not whilst pointedly not avoiding running into them), or indeed "demonstrative" (gesticulating, clearly angered, and, again, walking straight at where the umpire stands). The purpose of these rules is to protect umpires (and not just the specific umpire in question) from exactly this kind of unwarranted action, treating them as a valid participant in the fray. To let that slide - and, let's be honest, fines are a joke of a penalty and rightly seen by the public at large as 'getting off' on a charge - would be to encourage more of this kind of misconduct at lower levels, and reduce further the standing of the sport and whatever shred of 'integrity' we might foolishly still believe the AFL to be capable of. Has to go for this.

 

[THE EQUALIZER]

Insufficient force to warrant a report.

 

[brutus76]

The umpire is expecting an up close gobful/argument/interaction here and can see him coming and i think it's just a little careless on Toby's side to not go around.

But FMD a decent fine considering his record (5k even 10k) - but not worth suspending. Neale's was arguably as bad and got a fine.

If Toby was Dangerflog or Duckwood "nothing to see here"

 

[Purple Suit]

This isn't some innocent tap on the forearm to get the umpire's attention, or incidental contact during the course of play; Greene's engaging 'robustly' with the umpire verbally so he knows he's there, and he chooses to continue walking directly at him such that contact takes place. There can be no question that this is intentional.

Except contact doesn’t take place except for their hands brushing. The camera angle makes it look bad, others would not.

It’s a final, if you want to talk to someone you need to get close to hear over the crowd.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

There is no way that is anything less than deliberate. It wasn't forceful, but it was clearly not accidental. It was just walking into an umpire who hadn't moved (other than a last second turn to try to avoid contact) since talking to them and looking at him.

Has to be 2-3 weeks; could be more, and add one for his record. But being a good player in finals, at a club the AFL wants to have success, a suspended sentence is bizarrely possible.

 

[HairyO]

The umpire is expecting an up close gobful/argument/interaction here and can see him coming and i think it's just a little careless on Toby's side to not go around.

But FMD a decent fine considering his record (5k even 10k) - but not worth suspending. Neale's was arguably as bad and got a fine.

If Toby was Dangerflog or Duckwood "nothing to see here"

Exactly. Hard to imagine it not being just a fine. The MRO has had a shocking year with terrible mismanagement of the rules and zero assistance from the AFL in ensuring the tribunal properly enforces the rules.

They need to give up on 2021 and start again in 2022 with no wriggle room in their rules. Outlawed actions are outlawed, and penalties are penalties. No more wishy washy bullshit to allow themselves to protect key players. If a Brownlow favourite does something which warrants a week, they get a week.

To decide to actually get tough in the 1st week of finals and with it being Greene would be just bad. Because next week Selwood may do the exact same thing and they would again show the farce that they are by letting him get away with it.

 

[Nankervis brothers]

The umpire is expecting an up close gobful/argument/interaction here and can see him coming and i think it's just a little careless on Toby's side to not go around.

But FMD a decent fine considering his record (5k even 10k) - but not worth suspending. Neale's was arguably as bad and got a fine.

If Toby was Dangerflog or Duckwood "nothing to see here"

Yeah, totally. Because of Hocking, the Deep State, and Pizza Gate, but mostly Hocking.

 

[Back One Out]

So would you agree Stevic has saved Toby's ass?

No, not really. Have you never walked along a crowded footpath and either you or the person in your direct path have turned a shoulder to the side to avoid a collision? It's just something humans do with very little thought. We make adjustments all the time. Someone pulls across into our lane on the freeway a little too close and we ease off to give them more room.

People are prejudiced towards Greene. They think he is a grubby psycho-thug-dog. It's clouding their whole view of the so-called "bumping" incident. They think he was angrily berating Stevic. People need to grip and realise Greene was arguing about a decision - but without any malice, just a normal difference of opinion between a player and umpire, except that he's walked a little close. That's all that has happened here. Bad optics which has led to people jumping down's Greene's throat.

Malifice was saying before that Greene "made a beeline" towards the ump, but this is bullshit. Greene was walking towards the huddle with 5 or 6 of his teammates when he asked the ump "Why wasn't that a free?" or whatever and Stevic stood there in the middle of the players' paths to answer whatever it was Greene was asking him about.

Greene's fate rests in Stevic's hands. The AFL will ask Stevic what happened and depending on Stevic's answer, Greene will or won't have a case to answer. My guess is the AFL may give Greene a $1500 fine because of the optics. "Don't walk too close to umpires!" etc etc... Or they'll say "no case to answer".

But nobody here is going to admit they were wrong. They will all say it's an AFL conspiracy to protect their love child and that Greene owes a Stevic a beer for lying on his behalf and saving his arse.

 

[brutus76]

The umpire knows he's going to get an interaction here.
He doesn't move (smart decision)..... stands still...waiting for a comment/barb/line of enquiry
Toby needed to not get so close...but perhaps with the crowd noise he wanted to so he got heard.
Either way 5k or 10k fine. PLAY ON!!!!!!!

 

[Dacksaredown]

Worse than Greg Williams so 10 weeks. Other than that, Toby should really have stuck his foot into Stevic’s face to protect his space on approach. Poor form.

 

[Osho]

Mr Green should be rewarded for showing restraint with that over exuberant official.

 

[BF Tiger]

I retract the above . Having now seen the footage from a slightly different angle in slow motion, at the very worst it might be a fine, maybe.

Where is this footage?