Speculation Tom Barrass [UFA 2027]

[Astro35]

Hawks chased him, made the big offer. It's on them to deliver.

 

[Astro35]

Pick 13 for a player you are actively shopping out to rejuvenate your list is hardly next to nothing.

Especially one who is 29 and has a significant injury cloud for the rest of his career.

Can't be too bad if Hawks chased him, made an offer to a contracted player. Bad form if Hawks can't live up to thier promises.

 

[bluespooner]

Can't be too bad if Hawks chased him, made an offer to a contracted player. Bad form if Hawks can't live up to thier promises.

Its going to be bad form if Tom Barrass is forced to play for WC when he's told them he wants to play elsewhere.

 

[SSSSSS]

Can't be too bad if Hawks chased him, made an offer to a contracted player. Bad form if Hawks can't live up to thier promises.

We will deliver as we always do.

Once again the definite in play is the first rounder (Pick 13) and Tom Barrass going Hawthorn's way.

The only thing they need to work out is the steak knives. Probably a swap of F2 for F3.

The idea of two first rounders is fantasy and if that is your expectation prepare to be bitterly disappointed.

 

[triple treat]

Tom Mitchell was a part of the Ollie Henry trade
Not just “a pick in the 40’s”
If you’re going to lie by omission at least pick a better choice which couldn’t be easily refuted lol

Smith didn’t just miss a year with an ACL? We gonna ignore that too?
Bro you’re cooked, Barrass is easily a great defender, Hawks will have to pay up to pry him out lol

That’s how contracts work, when you’re OOC, you lose leverage. Barrass is still contracted thus the price is higher.

You also lose leverage when you allow your “CONTRACTED” player to openly meet with an opposition coach to talk about moving!

 

[triple treat]

Hawks chased him, made the big offer. It's on them to deliver.

How do you know it was the Hawks doing the chasing?

 

[Quinz]

Has anyone mentioned in here that Barrass is 29 and had a career threatening back injury?

 

[hawkman]

Has anyone mentioned in here that Barrass is 29 and had a career threatening back injury?

And concussion issues

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

There is zero chance there is two firsts involved in this deal. It's as optimistic as anyone from Richmond thinking WC will give up pick 13 for Baker.

 

[stallon]

Pick 13 for a player you are actively shopping out to rejuvenate your list is hardly next to nothing.

Especially one who is 29 and has a significant injury cloud for the rest of his career.

How do you make out that we are shopping him?
He decided to look around off his own steam

 

[stallon]

You also lose leverage when you allow your “CONTRACTED” player to openly meet with an opposition coach to talk about moving!

Players meet other coaches all the time, mostly it goes nowhere and we don't hear about it.
Simmo said in an interview a couple weeks ago that he met with 50+ players in his time, most of them went nowhere

 

[stallon]

There is zero chance there is two firsts involved in this deal. It's as optimistic as anyone from Richmond thinking WC will give up pick 13 for Baker.

A little less optimistic.
At least Barrass is worth something in that ballpark. If the Hawks go and finish top 4 next year as they should with natural progression and adding Barrass+Battle, that f1 will be almost a 2nd rounder anyway.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

A little less optimistic.
At least Barrass is worth something in that ballpark. If the Hawks go and finish top 4 next year as they should with natural progression and adding Barrass+Battle, that f1 will be almost a 2nd rounder anyway.

As a neutral, it's just as optimistic. There is absolutely no chance they do it and nothing is guaranteed with future picks.

 

[SSSSSS]

How do you make out that we are shopping him?
He decided to look around off his own steam

I mean the Eagles reneged on a verbal offer to give him a bigger slice of the pie and have basically offered Barrass the all clear explore his options.

Not exactly persona non grata but he isn't considered a required player anymore.

 

[THE_GUN]

There is zero chance there is two firsts involved in this deal. It's as optimistic as anyone from Richmond thinking WC will give up pick 13 for Baker.

Nah we are getting pick #3 for Baker - Keep up

 

[stallon]

I mean the Eagles reneged on a verbal offer to give him a bigger slice of the pie and have basically offered Barrass the all clear explore his options.

Not exactly persona non grata but he isn't considered a required player anymore.

Verbal offers are always at risk when there's new management. As far as the current management it didn't happen. Barrass ****ed up there by ignoring his manager, not the clubs fault.

Still no evidence the club is shopping him around though

 

[SSSSSS]

Verbal offers are always at risk when there's new management. As far as the current management it didn't happen. Barrass ****ed up there by ignoring his manager, not the clubs fault.

Not disagreeing with that.

Always have shit in writing.

 

[THE_GUN]

I mean the Eagles reneged on a verbal offer to give him a bigger slice of the pie and have basically offered Barrass the all clear explore his options.

Not exactly persona non grata but he isn't considered a required player anymore.

Shhhh

 

[HeHateMe]

Pick 13 is not next to nothing wtf. I think the deal will be for more (because he is contacted) but the haggling is about the +change, 13 is the steak.

 

[THE_GUN]

Pick #13 + F3 will get this done easily

 

[Jupes]

yeah west coast having barrass on a really club friendly contract seriously hurts our leverage

 

[Sands of Time]

2 straight first isn’t gonna happen and even the intel in the news isn’t that (it was reported 1st, F1st for Barrass and F2nd, the click bait has been 2 firsts not mentioning the F2nnd back).

13 will be 15-17 on draft night with F/S Academy and possible FA. I think every sane person agree 15-17 isn’t enough for Barrass.

The interesting part is will be what’s the sweetener. Do eagles want it this year or next year. Eagles at the start of the year have 22 players under 22 on the list and pretty much all of them will have a contract next year. We have experience around age of 30+ however a gap In the 24-28 agree group. Pyke, Bell and Clarke have all said we want to bring in some players in that age group leadership wise this year (as they don’t there to be a gap in the next year or so when gov, Cripps ect retire) that may mean they only want to take 4-5 players in this draft due to list spots.

The fuss around Barrass age and medical history although factual can’t be a leverage point if the 4-5 year deal on good money is true. If he was 26 and on a 5 year deal there is no guarantee he will play good footy past that.

Eagles having barrass on a 3 year contract and know if it drags out other clubs will jump in and I doubt barrass will say no to them and want to go back to the eagles.

Also we all know Sam Mitchell and the hawks and made it clear they plan and believe they can win a flag as soon as the next year or so. They got rid of omera and T Mitchell because they were taking CB time from other young guys who were close to being ready eg worpel and Newcombe. Barrass isn’t taking any young player who is just about ready’s spot. Instead his leadership and experience with also help develop Mcabe, blanke. Yes you get battle however frost is 32 next season and prior to this year hasn’t been up to it. Bruest and Gunston have 1 year left you think and even then won’t play the whole season. Barrass experience and leadership in the next 3 years can’t be underestimated.

2 straight first worth no, but if 2 1st around involved does that make it bad.

If it was reframed

13 + F1st (let’s say 13 again, think we can agree your 6th or above will be expectations now) for 23 and Barrass is that dramatically too much. What’s the difference if it’s F2 instead (no one thing eagles are finishing outside of bottom 4 next year). Which is actually less then 1st +F2

I actually think the longer it goes in the trade period the more it favours eagles as mentioned other clubs will start to try and get involved then. Cap space won’t be an issue because push comes to shove for a better pick eagles will pay some of barrass wage.

To summarise 2 straight 1st is too much, is 2 1st being involved to much though?


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[Snuffaluphagus]

2 straight first isn’t gonna happen and even the intel in the news isn’t that (it was reported 1st, F1st for Barrass and F2nd, the click bait has been 2 firsts not mentioning the F2nnd back).

13 will be 15-17 on draft night with F/S Academy and possible FA. I think every sane person agree 15-17 isn’t enough for Barrass.

The interesting part is will be what’s the sweetener. Do eagles want it this year or next year. Eagles at the start of the year have 22 players under 22 on the list and pretty much all of them will have a contract next year. We have experience around age of 30+ however a gap In the 24-28 agree group. Pyke, Bell and Clarke have all said we want to bring in some players in that age group leadership wise this year (as they don’t there to be a gap in the next year or so when gov, Cripps ect retire) that may mean they only want to take 4-5 players in this draft due to list spots.

The fuss around Barrass age and medical history although factual can’t be a leverage point if the 4-5 year deal on good money is true. If he was 26 and on a 5 year deal there is no guarantee he will play good footy past that.

Eagles having barrass on a 3 year contract and know if it drags out other clubs will jump in and I doubt barrass will say no to them and want to go back to the eagles.

Also we all know Sam Mitchell and the hawks and made it clear they plan and believe they can win a flag as soon as the next year or so. They got rid of omera and T Mitchell because they were taking CB time from other young guys who were close to being ready eg worpel and Newcombe. Barrass isn’t taking any young player who is just about ready’s spot. Instead his leadership and experience with also help develop Mcabe, blanke. Yes you get battle however frost is 32 next season and prior to this year hasn’t been up to it. Bruest and Gunston have 1 year left you think and even then won’t play the whole season. Barrass experience and leadership in the next 3 years can’t be underestimated.

2 straight first worth no, but if 2 1st around involved does that make it bad.

If it was reframed

13 + F1st (let’s say 13 again, think we can agree your 6th or above will be expectations now) for 23 and Barrass is that dramatically too much. What’s the difference if it’s F2 instead (no one thing eagles are finishing outside of bottom 4 next year). Which is actually less then 1st +F2

I actually think the longer it goes in the trade period the more it favours eagles as mentioned other clubs will start to try and get involved then. Cap space won’t be an issue because push comes to shove for a better pick eagles will pay some of barrass wage.

To summarise 2 straight 1st is too much, is 2 1st being involved to much though?


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Yes, yes it is. Hawks will not involve two firsts in any way shape or form. Barrass is 29 in two weeks...

 

[stallon]

Yes, yes it is. Hawks will not involve two firsts in any way shape or form. Barrass is 29 in two weeks...

2 firsts will probably be involved.

Their f1 will be expected to almost be a 2nd.
They barely lost in the semis and want to add an Agrade FB and a very good CHB along with natural development.
13 and pick 16/17/18 before complexities is not significant overs.

If we throw a f2 back to the Hawks we have a fair trade

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

2 firsts will probably be involved.

Their f1 will be expected to almost be a 2nd.
They barely lost in the semis and want to add an Agrade FB and a very good CHB along with natural development.
13 and pick 16/17/18 before complexities is not significant overs.

If we throw a f2 back to the Hawks we have a fair trade

You guys can keep justifying it but it's just as optimistic as the Baker guys. If it happens, I tip mah hat to Clarke