List Mgmt. Trade and F/A 2020 Cont’d

[GoldenMagpie16]

Wonder IF we are Interested in Jetta,Brander and Oscar McDonald

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Oscar Mcdonald

Age

28

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Def

Career

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Last 5

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13.2

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

191.4

3star

D

11.3

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.7

3star

MG

157.7

3star

D

14.8

4star

K

5.4

2star

HB

9.4

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.4

3star

MG

138.4

3star

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I wouldn't mind getting Brander for nothing. Got Potential

 

[PieBeast]

On a side note, Melbourne got Brown for less than what we paid for Murray.......

 

[JLC]

If you mean will I get my popcorn and enjoy the show absolutely

I'll probably express an opinion, but I doubt I'll throw a tantrum. That'd probably take Pendles being traded for that to happen . Also have the gifs ready for anyone saying they're leaving because of what we do or don't do this this trade period .

Oh and as an FYI tonight's deadline is just for player movement. Unless they have changed the rules since last year draft picks can continue to be traded until they are used at the draft.

There is nothing wrong with people being pissed off. The fans deserve much much better.

The problem is, it’s not just this trade period. It’s been a progressive cumulative stuff up that has led to this moment.

 

[Soups]

Crazy how times change. A few years ago Lions supporters were saying they wouldn’t accept pick 1 for Withers and now he goes for nothing.

 

[TradeDraft]

On a side note, Melbourne got Brown for less than what we paid for Murray.......

Shows how bad the Club is Run

 

[anshell]

On a side note, Melbourne got Brown for less than what we paid for Murray.......

Basically we don’t know how to trade.Every single club rogers us at the trade table.We’d be better off just drafting and developing our own talent.But we’re not especially good at that either.

 

[ExcitementMachine]

Shows how bad the Club is Run

Murray was a good recruit before he got done for cocaine. The club is as much at fault for that as for however unprepared they were for the 2020 pandemic.

 

[TradeDraft]

Basically we don’t know how to trade.Every single club rogers us at the trade table.We’d be better off just drafting and developing our own talent.But we’re not especially good at that either.

Or run a Salary Cap

 

[Dynamics]

Plenty of FIFO workers all around Australia go long periods not seeing the family for a lot less than 900k a year.

100%. People do it all the time. But people have different personalities. For example, if you asked me to work FIFO I'd tell you to FO.

Adam might be fine with it and cope well. And I get that he'd be sh1tty on everyone for doubting him. But I see nothing in his personality to suggest that he's suited to it. I'm totally guessing, but I reckon I'm right, ha!

Just like in the Army... Plenty of people thrive but plenty of others cry at Kapooka and run straight home, never to return.

Looking forward to this whole nightmarish trade period being done!

 

[SquirrelGrrripp]

Not a cap expert mate so you might be right, but as far as it was explained to me you lodge your final 2020 salary cap summary on 31st of October and we were pushing incentives through to November so it counted towards the following year. I'm of the understanding performance intensives are only included if met and that's why you lodge TTP at the end of the season similar to a tax return, not TTP estimate at the start, hence why clubs have been pinged in the past for going over post that season, not prior to it starting if the contracts were already signed?

Like I said I'm not an expert just the way it was explained to me, I thought clubs have to pay a minimum of 95% of the cap whether conditions are met or not? but the way you explained it wouldn't someone like North who have cash flow issues just put massive insentives in players contracts that can't be reached and only end up paying 60% of the cap when they have a year like this one? Can't see that being the case

Interesting.. I neither am an expert in salary cap management or the protocols which govern it’s administration.

Wouldn’t/Couldn’t clubs then take advantage of listing performance base incentives outside of the annual cap continually rolling said payments over on a yearly basis and adjusting the base salary to compensate for any fluctuations in the percentage of the cap paid?

Your converse argument to the example pertaining to the Nth Melbourne Scenario could be manipulated by see say paying a $100k base salary and which includes easier to obtain incentives (I.e.$500k to have 10 possessions on more than 5 occasions) which would then fall outside the yearly cap quota. I believe there would be strict regulations in place for the scenarios we have both outlined though.

So to answer your question, I don’t really know, but common sense in this scenario dictates (well to me anyway) that every apportioned element in any given contact act is subject to any annual salary cap figure.

 

[odoyle_rules]

If the reports of us paying $300k x 5 years for Treloar are true, then surely we just do a GWS style salary dump and move on (e.g. 3rd rounder but Bulldogs pay 100% salary). Yep, I understand Bulldogs are then dealing with a stupid contract but they are also getting an A grader for nothing.

That cash should keep DeGoey long term.

 

[BEEG]

Doesn't seem like enough to give someone the lemonade & sars.

Exactly.

 

[Leviathan Pie]

Murray was a good recruit before he got done for cocaine. The club is as much at fault for that as for however unprepared they were for the 2020 pandemic.

He wasn't a good recruit, at any point in his short tenure.

 

[unplugged]

I genuinely wonder if you took Jon Ralph and Sam Edmund out of the equation whether we'd be melting at all. We'd just be still hoping we're up to something. Anything.

But hey, at least we won't be "ambushed"

 

[PieBeast]

Basically we don’t know how to trade.Every single club rogers us at the trade table.We’d be better off just drafting and developing our own talent.But we’re not especially good at that either.

Howe was the last trade of any significance that we won.

 

[partypie]

Mason Cox

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Mason Cox

Age

33

Ht

211cm

Wt

110kg

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F/R

Career

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Last 5

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8.7

2star

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5.2

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

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1.6

4star

G

1.2

4star

D

6.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.3

2star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.8

5star

is probably a rare exception, but I think he just wants to stay in Australia with a work Visa as long as possible.

Totally incorrect on Mason - apparently the only thing left for him to do now is attend the ceremony to become a full citizen.

 

[PIEWITHSAUCE]

If the reports of us paying $300k x 5 years for Treloar are true, then surely we just do a GWS style salary dump and move on (e.g. 3rd rounder but Bulldogs pay 100% salary). Yep, I understand Bulldogs are then dealing with a stupid contract but they are also getting an A grader for nothing.

That cash should keep DeGoey long term.

The way 2021 is playing out it's no cert that the Dogs have an extra 300k to just throw around

 

[Ugene41]

It's funny how Brisbane had to salary dump with Witherden yet there's hardly any media attention/vitriol given to that vs what's happening with the pies.

 

[DerekZoolander]

On a side note, Melbourne got Brown for less than what we paid for Murray.......

Lucky we are professional club that knows what it's doing.

 

[Jen2310]

 

[BEEG]

It's funny how Brisbane had to salary dump with Witherden yet there's hardly any media attention/vitriol given to that vs what's happening with the pies.

LOL they just got Daniher if that was Collingwood I wouldn't have an issue with a Phillips going to get in Daniher.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

It's funny how Brisbane had to salary dump with Witherden yet there's hardly any media attention/vitriol given to that vs what's happening with the pies.

A fringe player.

We are dropping 3 best 22 players.


Equivalent to dropping Mccluagge & Zorko

 

[stormskye]

It's funny how Brisbane had to salary dump with Witherden yet there's hardly any media attention/vitriol given to that vs what's happening with the pies.

They are adding players. We are not.

 

[pies 4 ever]

To answer you question, I have young kids and my family is everything. I miss the ratbags when I'm at work during the day, let alone living intestate for a year. I know some people aren't like that but I absolutely guarantee you that Adz is just like us. He clearly dotes on his daughter and adores his partner. Being apart as often as he's suggesting will be a nightmare for him. When I first read his proposal to live interstate for a year, my gut reaction was that it would end badly.

Just on that, he is with them until training start in the new year. Then Adz will get a few opportunities during the pre season as well as the midseason break and will be playing the QLD sides in QLD (as we always do). Kim will also play some games in Melbourne and could also stop over after playing in SA or WA. Don't also forget that the netball season finishes in August.

 

[TradeDraft]

Hopefully Collingwood does not have any Internet at Holden Center