List Mgmt. Trade and F/A 2020 Cont’d

[Rusty Beam]

He was at the nogiating table also sat on list committee decisions that saw Beams return, and signed Grundy to a millstone deal.

Dont feel sorry for him one bit.

I don’t either... but **** me I’ve got the feeling Eddie would have made it impossible not to do the Beams deal.

 

[loki04]

Why is do people keep saying Reef will eat one? I must be missing something...

He is largely rated between 15 and 25 but that was before setting the record sprint ever tested (even if wind assisted him to 2.78 he would still post a 2.8 sec 20m time non assisted and at 193cm).

Why do you think he slipping past our picks right in the guts of that range?

 

[nahnah]

I can’t for the life of me understand how they think they’ve gotten into the draft. We got sweet FA in terms of picks!!!!

They don't think it, they just say it to avoid heat. They take us for accepting idiots.

 

[loki04]

Walsh - like Guy refusing to comment of future free agents; never went after Tom Lynch. McGuire clarification, spoke to Lynch, didn't go after him.

Just more lies, our club is as decietful as it comes.

 

[loki04]

They don't think it, they just say it to avoid heat. They take us for accepting idiots.

Because there are quite a few on here who gobble it up.

 

[TomBolt2]

Too funny

Rule #1: never believe a word a political journo says. You think footy journo's are bad!

 

[Obese Arachnid]

I didn't think I could feel worse today than yesterday.

Yet here we are.

The club pissed in my pocket, down my leg & on my head & told me it's raining!!!!!!!!!!

Fugg right orrrfff!!!

 

[THATSGOLD]

Collectively, these trades are a failure.


Individually, they’re even worse.

Treloar - we paid 2 first rounders.

Stephenson - we paid pick 6.

Phillips - we paid pick 56.


We could go to the draft for the next 5 years with the same picks and probably won’t end up with the same quality of players.

Add beams we paid 2 first rounders

no first round picks on the list since when?

 

[nahnah]

the irony is the idiots who somehow ****ed up the cap to the point of selling star players for scraps think we are the idiots who will accept some made up strategic plan to get into the draft with one lousy late first rounder

 

[cityslick1]

Here comes the spin.

Think he will be as disappointed as anyone with what we got back. Yeah he would’ve helped decide who goes, but he would feel genuinely for the players f'd over, though his loyalty is to the club first, so will always toe the company line with his comments.

 

[Daniel J]

That’s oddly specific.

The abuse I got for saying Treloar is good as gone because Grundy wanted him out. Hmmmm.

That’s one way to try and create a bizarre and idiotic rumour

And to think of the abuse i recieved for saying Treloar is good as gone because Grundy wanted him out. Hmmmm.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Gave up Aish.
dleisted Scharenberg and Freeman.

 

[loki04]

Eddie using the Geelong game is confusing.

The game was an absolute disgrace from an effort point of view... Cats beating a bunch of witches hats was never impressive... And that was what we all saw... 18 positions on the field second to the ball and half the energy compared to their counterparts... It was a perfect example of a team giving no effort and their minds else where... Probably a vacation.

It was a pathetic display and soft one of a few over the last 2 years. Was almost as bad a the norf game in 19 when we were bullied like school girls.

 

[tranquilli lace]

Putting aside the PR disaster and the complete train wreck this has been.

Is there a world where we’ve received assurances from Adelaide they won’t take McDonald and we’ve asked the Kangaroos what it would take to get pick 2 and their answer was Stephenson, Atu, two first rounders?

Or am I’m trying to squeeze milk out of a bone dry tit?

 

[loki04]

Remember when we all thought the Geelong game was a result of a tired team who had spent all their tickets the previous week? Turns out it was actually a reflection of the clubs deficiencies. So according to the clue, we weren't exhausted we were just sh1t!

The exhausted excuse was always bs.

It wasnt a one off performance that we have seen from our club over the last 2 years. Its been about 5 like it.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

Putting aside the PR disaster and the complete train wreck this has been.

Is there a world where we’ve received assurances from Adelaide they won’t take McDonald and we’ve asked the Kangaroos what it would take to get pick 2 and their answer was Stephenson, Atu, two first rounders?

Or am I’m trying to squeeze milk out of a bone dry tit?

They literally have no obligation to honour that deal (if it existed). Hahahah

 

[loki04]

Definitely a risk no doubt, but if it was to pay off and get a Logan McDonald or similar it would be worth it.

We could also have 2nd tier of 2 or 3 players that we could target for just this years 2 x 1sts to move up the order.

It would help salvage the situation but in the end we still got screwed.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

This!!! Finally a voice of reason amongst the fair-weather meltdown supporters(?) on this board. Building a side around the age profile we have is important for the future. Following the media frenzy click baiting our great club is madness.

I trust the club knows what they are doing. Let's look at facts away from the financials. Treloar has bad hamstrings and at his age as Buckley knows too well is an old players injury. Look at games missed past two seasons. Stephenson; we will never know the true story but let's not rumour monger with what I've heard and say another indescretion is not what the club needs. Patience run out. Phillips; good player but not in best 22 going forward - rewarded with opportunity elsewhere.

Financials; we signed Moore, Grundy, Daicos, Maynard, DeGoey, Mihocek(more deserving than anyone) etc instead of letting them go.

IN: Mcinnes, Daicos, top ten talent - love it.

The CLUB needed to be ruthless and recognise recent past problems (Beams, Wells, Mayne) and FIX IT.

I'm excited about the age of side coming through. Let's build around them and get behind them.

Go pies!!!!


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[Good_Old]

I didn't think I could feel worse today than yesterday.

Yet here we are.

The club pissed in my pocket, down my leg & on my head & told me it's raining!!!!!!!!!!

Fugg right orrrfff!!!

What's the misso reckon' about the pies losing baby hair?

She happy her team got Treloar, and for peanuts?

 

[nahnah]

They literally have no obligation to honour that deal (if it existed). Hahahah

you live in a very literal world I've noticed

 

[Good_Old]

you live in a very literal world I've noticed

Literally.

 

[Thefly38]

Putting aside the PR disaster and the complete train wreck this has been.

Is there a world where we’ve received assurances from Adelaide they won’t take McDonald and we’ve asked the Kangaroos what it would take to get pick 2 and their answer was Stephenson, Atu, two first rounders?

Or am I’m trying to squeeze milk out of a bone dry tit?

The reaming we got for the player trades can’t see it happening there is also the issue of atleast Essendon and Giants minimum being in better positions to trade up thier positions

 

[unplugged]

Listening to that Anderson bloke on 3aw just makes me angrier. All relaxed and composed and letting us know that we are over reacting and this is part of a plan.

So how far back does this plan go? To signing Treloar to 5 years? Grundy to 7?

Maybe we have all got it wrong and they do have a grand plan...that they have compiled in the last 2 months.

Nobody is completely pissed about letting these players go if we were honest throughout, but even inside they are still trying to convince themselves that Treloar, Phillips and Stephenson is effectively worth pick 14 and us still paying Treloars 300k.

Has anyone inside the club stopped and thought, sh*t guys this plan is actually pretty terrible.

Maybe I've bought into the clumsy spin but I'm starting to come around on the whole scenario, albeit just from reading between the lines a little bit...

My opinion is that last year it (the plan) didn't look so bad. We just lost a preliminary final which we should've won and we would've been every chance in the GF against Richmond. The list after last year was worth holding onto for as long as we could.

Hindsight is a horrible, horrible thing at times...

Fast forward 12 months and upon review of the season we've had at least 3 very bad losses (WCE, Melbourne, Geelong) and a couple of "close but not close enough" losses against the likes of Port and Brisbane.

The old saying goes "insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."

Our midfield in those 3-5 games was comprehensively beaten. We also weren't able to rest players like Adams this year because Treloar again got injured (not to mention Sidebottom) which is becoming a trend. To put it simply, we've peaked, and we don't want to sit on our hands and plateau for the next 5 years.

Adam Treloar

1

Adam Treloar

Age

31

Ht

185cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

28.2

5star

K

12.9

5star

HB

15.3

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

4.9

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

30.3

5star

K

16.3

5star

HB

14.0

5star

M

2.0

2star

T

3.3

4star

CL

5.8

5star

D

18.0

5star

K

11.2

4star

HB

6.8

5star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.6

4star

is a good player but without kicking 20+ goals a year, playing 20 games a year and without running two ways all day, he's not worth the cash. Not only this but you can hear in the media today just how stubborn he is when being told something he doesn't agree with. Great guy, absolutely. Bleeds for his club.

We've heard countless times that Stephenson is a piss poor trainer, doesn't do the hard yards, etc. We dismiss it because we know what he's capable of, because we have seen it.

We keep hearing this "rumour" that he had glandular fever but I actually haven't heard anything to convince me that this is even true. Someone may link me to something which says otherwise. Quite simply doesn't look fit enough. Maybe he had the drive to make the AFL but doesn't have the drive to sustain it. Time will tell.

Phillips is a downhill skiier and quickly became an overpaid (again, hindsight is a bitch) player on the verge of being outside our best 22. Pure salary dump.

I think Mick McGuanne and a few others have said it wasn't "who" we got rid of that was the problem, it was "how."

It's hard to shed yourself of 3 contracted players, particularly ones on decent coin. You either trade them for nothing and shed their contract, trade them for a good pick and pay some of their contract, or meet in the middle. It's even harder to accept that we couldn't get any compensation for 2 or 3 best-22 players.

There's a good chance we were dropping 105% down to 95%, which generates the debate about how we got to 105% without any real achievement. At the same time we may have been shedding enough weight early to pay Beams/Langdon in 2021 and potentially bring in not just one but maybe two Free Agents next year.

PS I don't agree with Grundy's deal but I think there was a genuine fear that he was going to leave. Hopefully this season, although not as bad as it's made out to be, was just an outlier.

 

[AndrewShawble]

at the very least, Walsh showing how much better a media performer he is than Ned

Ralph Wiggum a better performer than Ned, mate. Not hard.

 

[stormskye]

Maybe I've bought into the clumsy spin but I'm starting to come around on the whole scenario, albeit just from reading between the lines a little bit...

My opinion is that last year it (the plan) didn't look so bad. We just lost a preliminary final which we should've won and we would've been every chance in the GF against Richmond. The list after last year was worth holding onto for as long as we could.

Hindsight is a horrible, horrible thing at times...

Fast forward 12 months and upon review of the season we've had at least 3 very bad losses (WCE, Melbourne, Geelong) and a couple of "close but not close enough" losses against the likes of Port and Brisbane.

The old saying goes "insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."

Our midfield in those 3-5 games was comprehensively beaten. We also weren't able to rest players like Adams this year because Treloar again got injured (not to mention Sidebottom) which is becoming a trend. To put it simply, we've peaked, and we don't want to sit on our hands and plateau for the next 5 years.

Adam Treloar

1

Adam Treloar

Age

31

Ht

185cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

28.2

5star

K

12.9

5star

HB

15.3

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

4.9

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

30.3

5star

K

16.3

5star

HB

14.0

5star

M

2.0

2star

T

3.3

4star

CL

5.8

5star

D

18.0

5star

K

11.2

4star

HB

6.8

5star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.6

4star

is a good player but without kicking 20+ goals a year, playing 20 games a year and without running two ways all day, he's not worth the cash. Not only this but you can hear in the media today just how stubborn he is when being told something he doesn't agree with. Great guy, absolutely. Bleeds for his club.

We've heard countless times that Stephenson is a piss poor trainer, doesn't do the hard yards, etc. We dismiss it because we know what he's capable of, because we have seen it.

We keep hearing this "rumour" that he had glandular fever but I actually haven't heard anything to convince me that this is even true. Someone may link me to something which says otherwise. Quite simply doesn't look fit enough. Maybe he had the drive to make the AFL but doesn't have the drive to sustain it. Time will tell.

Phillips is a downhill skiier and quickly became an overpaid (again, hindsight is a b*tch) player on the verge of being outside our best 22. Pure salary dump.

I think Mick McGuanne and a few others have said it wasn't "who" we got rid of that was the problem, it was "how."

It's hard to shed yourself of 3 contracted players, particularly ones on decent coin. You either trade them for nothing and shed their contract, trade them for a good pick and pay some of their contract, or meet in the middle. It's even harder to accept that we couldn't get any compensation for 2 or 3 best-22 players.

There's a good chance we were dropping 105% down to 95%, which generates the debate about how we got to 105% without any real achievement. At the same time we may have been shedding enough weight early to pay Beams/Langdon in 2021 and potentially bring in not just one but maybe two Free Agents next year.

PS I don't agree with Grundy's deal but I think there was a genuine fear that he was going to leave. Hopefully this season, although not as bad as it's made out to be, was just an outlier.

Many in here including myself aren’t pissed that Stevo and treloar are gone. The list needs fixing and I’m 100% open to the draft. However It’s what we got.

we didn’t have a fire sale. We burnt the building down and were uninsured.

if Reports are true that we are still paying salary on top of giving them away, then fmd..

After last year of only adding Cameron, and missing riccardi.. there’s just nothing you can say.