List Mgmt. Trade and F/A - Part 3

[snagbreac]

So McGovern is on $800K a year at Carlton, with 2 years to go, they have Williams and Saad on big long-term deals, $700k - $850k a year, McKay just signed a big 2 year deal $800k per year, and Cripps signed a 6 year deal for $800k a year, eventhough the reports are its $1M a year.
They have Cerra coming in on a 4 year deal $750k -$800k a year, and need to re-sign Walsh, who will command at least $900k a season!! Not to mention Martin, Weitering, Fisher etc...How do they continue to bring people in, without stretching the cap.
We are worried about signing 3 players, who will probably end up taking between $800k - $850k a season, because after JDG, Moore and Maynard, there isnt anyone who can command big $ contracts after 2022, besides the current Grundy contract, and Adams is contracted until 2024, and Crisp 2023. You would think if Howe, Elliott, Sidey and Roughead are still at the club after 2022, it will be on minimal contracts, same with Pendles second year of his new contract.

Back-ended deals. You get those players on less money and then it gradually ramps up. That's why there's pressure on them: the players require more moeny and want more money but there's no success so they won't take a pay cut.

 

[snagbreac]

Interest in Lochie O'Brien

4

Lochie O'brien

Age

25

Ht

185cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

9.3

4star

HB

3.9

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.3

3star

CL

0.7

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.0

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

3.2

3star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.4

4star

CL

1.0

3star

? No contract, top ten pick. El cheapo ...

 

[Toecrusher]

So McGovern is on $800K a year at Carlton, with 2 years to go, they have Williams and Saad on big long-term deals, $700k - $850k a year, McKay just signed a big 2 year deal $800k per year, and Cripps signed a 6 year deal for $800k a year, eventhough the reports are its $1M a year.
They have Cerra coming in on a 4 year deal $750k -$800k a year, and need to re-sign Walsh, who will command at least $900k a season!! Not to mention Martin, Weitering, Fisher etc...How do they continue to bring people in, without stretching the cap.
We are worried about signing 3 players, who will probably end up taking between $800k - $850k a season, because after JDG, Moore and Maynard, there isnt anyone who can command big $ contracts after 2022, besides the current Grundy contract, and Adams is contracted until 2024, and Crisp 2023. You would think if Howe, Elliott, Sidey and Roughead are still at the club after 2022, it will be on minimal contracts, same with Pendles second year of his new contract.

We're clearly overpaying quite a few players, not just Grundy.

We've made a mess I'd say. No high picks, no-one to trade and no cap space. Just make the best of what we can get.

 

[whiskeytown]

Everytime we swap 1 pick for 2 picks we need to delist another player and take one more player in the ND. At the moment we have to draft 4 players in the draft, because we have 4 active picks for Daicos. Taking Lipinski and Kreuger means we have to delist at least 6 players.
Every extra pick means 1 more player we have to delist. If Daicos goes pick 1. Downgrading picks for more points would mean we would end up with at least 7 live picks. Requiring us to delist 9 players.

The only real solutions I see to matching pick 1 would be the following:
1. Upgrade some picks by trading out some fringe players for pick upgrades.
Eg trading Lynch and pick 36 for pick 30. Cox and 52 for 45. (I couldnt remember our exact picks). It probably means we still need to get a 3rd rounder in a well.
2. Trading in a single pick above pick 27 for our future 2nd. (We would have to delist 7 players. Mayne, Greenwood, Sier, Cox, Lynch, Thomas Madgen and Randall for example. I would like to keep 1 of Lynch or Cox)
3. Trading a good player for a pick above 27.

Maybe downtrading picks for points can be done during the draft and because you didnt take those picks into the draft you have to deslist the players. Its probably against the rules though.

See what you’re saying but we can also manipulate the size of the senior list vs rookie list. With the retirement of Greenwood and Mayne we currently have 34 senior listed players + 6 rookies (+1 Cat B)...

They will then trade/delist most of Cox, Sier, Thomas, Rantall... which will reduce senior list size further down to 32-31

We could take Daicos and Dib using 5-6 picks and have room on the senior list to upgrade rookies... fit Lipinski, Krueger AND perhaps take a DFA.... depending on how many of Cox, Sier, Thomas and Rantall get moved on

There is also the ability to make further room on the senior list by delisting a contracted player from the senior list (eg Murphy) and then take them in the rookie draft (if no one else takes them first)

 

[Gabbo64]

OK, if, and only if, Grundy's contract proves to be damaging to the club long term, then we look at trading him out. But don't expect anything in return if a club takes on his full pay under his current contract.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Gotta admit this discussion on TR about captains is entertaining.

 

[Gone Critical]

Perhaps, but he if he only wants a one year deal with conditions that Nth would not find palatable, then he will get to were he wants. I cannot recall any player
in the PSD who has made it clear were he wants to go being picked up by a rival club.

How many times has it happened? I cant recall any off the top of my head. I dont think clubs with pick 2 in the PSD have a big history of walking players there when the team with pick 1 doesnt have another player already in mind.

If that did happen regularly I think the club with pick 1 would usually swoop. It doesnt happen often for that reason.

 

[Gone Critical]

Do you have confidence in the previous football department not back ending his deal? They were up to all sorts of stuff in terms of deferring money so I’m not sure why Grundy would be any different? The evidence points to negligence with the length of the contract so I think the safe assumption is that the moneys toward the back too.

Let’s say they did defer the money then we will absolutely have to bring some forward and with deals to come for Moore, JDG and Maynard I agree it’s manageable, but it’s likely to set back our timeline on acquiring a FA or piece at the trade table.

I definitely agree that the environment’s changed and that any manager looking to leverage off past mistakes will struggle to gain traction. The point for me though is that the concern around Grundy’s contract is legitimate and justifiable.

I am not saying its not a concern and wasnt well managed just that its not as damaging as some here think. A problem yes, insurmountable no.

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

Interest in Lochie O'Brien? No contract, top ten pick. El cheapo ...

Weren't we linked to him last trade period?

 

[Gaben]

Interest in Lochie O'Brien? No contract, top ten pick. El cheapo ...

El crappo

 

[Scodog10]

I am not saying its not a concern and wasnt well managed just that its not as damaging as some here think. A problem yes, insurmountable no.

True. I think my pragmatism probably clouds my view of how bad it’s perceived to be for some…

 

[snagbreac]

Weren't we linked to him last trade period?

Yep. He plays for Carlton and was drafted Pick 10 in 2017. Can't blame him for sucking.

 

[partypie]

Pick 75, come on down!!!!!

 

[FIGJAM]

El crappo

Flashy downhill skier. Exactly what we don't need.

The top Blues draftee who Richmond would never have taken

"I know the messaging out of Richmond was ‘he’s not for Richmond’.”

www.sen.com.au

 

[snagbreac]

Flashy downhill skier. Exactly what we don't need.

The top Blues draftee who Richmond would never have taken

"I know the messaging out of Richmond was ‘he’s not for Richmond’.”

www.sen.com.au

But you can't be a downhill skier if your club is playing poorly.

 

[Crazy Tails]

Weren't we linked to him last trade period?

Yeah we were. Not sure he adds that much to our squad to be honest; seems really vanilla and a bit of a dud top 10 pick imo. Only 6 games in 2 years in a side that hasn't been much chop. Wouldn't be in our best 22. With list spots at a premium I hope we stay clear.

 

[Ingy]

More pertinent would be how many times has a club with a 2nd pick in the PSD draft marched their player to the draft with the expectation that if the team with the 1st pick didnt have a better option they wouldnt take said player.

If NM dont have a good pick up in the PSD and Lipinski is best available why don't they take him? He puts a 3 year contract on his head with the undertaking he will go to the club who picks him. He cant really say after I never really wanted to go to NM. He buckles down with them, finds they are a team on the rise with a young list and a spot in the midfield for him and he advances his career.

One of the reasons we wont take him to the PSD is this.

I can't see North wanting Lipinski.

In order to give him games, which is why he is leaving the Dogs, they would have to take games from the likes of Powell and Phillips, the future of their club.

They have too many mids already.

I see the PSD as a very viable way to get Lipinski if the Dogs try to get more than his market value, which isn't much, out of us

 

[partypie]

Left field question, expecting haters.

Could we trade for North's number one selection? Frees up salary cap, gets JHF, we could bid on Darcy and we get Nick as well.

Or we on trade that to another club and get a few players and top end picks.

Someone would have to go. And it's going to have been a Moore, JDG, Maynard and something else on top of that. We saw Hawthorn do it in 2001. Fans hated them but later it would prove ingenious.

 

[OniAu]

Actually frightening listening to Matt Rendell is there a more clueless person in the AFL industry that has been around for so long. Yikes

 

[partypie]

Alright yeah may not be that straight forward.

So

Pick #1

FOR

Jordan de Goey and 2022 first rounder

OR

Brodie Grundy and 2x second round draft selections over next two years.

OR

Isaac Quaynor, Ollie Henry and Caleb Poulter.

 

[partypie]

Where is the Dom Sheed rumour mill coming from? I know he's unlikely to play for the Pies but there's obviously some rumblings.

 

[jmac70]

But you can't be a downhill skier if your club is playing poorly.

Yes, you can.

 

[Crazy Tails]

** Pretty sure it won't happen** but Dom Sheed ending up at the Pies would be the ultimate irony!

I think it's been thrown up the last two off seasons as a piss take to wind us up.

 

[Crazy Tails]

Actually frightening listening to Matt Rendell is there a more clueless person in the AFL industry that has been around for so long. Yikes

It's more frightening that he was part of our program for so long!

 

[TradeDraft]