Strategy Trade and List Management thread 3 (...The pining for the departed. Edition)

[jdz101]

Kelly's squibishness worries me. And he'd cost the world.

If there is even an inkling that we can jet Josh Kelly, I'd throw a first, a second and a fringe player at them without a shadow of a doubt.

Kid is going to be a jet.

 

[bobby2]

Interesting theory I heard: Does anybody think that we screwed up by not announcing Boyd's re-signing and no retirement until the last day of the trade period or whatever, because it limited our bargaining power in the trades? In that if those clubs thought that Boyd still might retire, that we didn't have to trade Stevens and Hrovat to make your 3 draft selections, and therefore could have gotten more in a trade for them?

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. If we hadn't announced boyd and Hamilton resigning, we couldn't created some doubt. That said, I think the club was keen to look after Hrovat and Stevens, and offering them contracts that aren't actually available isn't a good way to treat them.

 

[ExRoyboy]

I agree with what you're saying ExRoyboy, we sat at the poker table with a pair of duces and the whole room knew it! I guess I'm questioning whose fault is that? Could/should have tougher decisions been made earlier? Why sign Declan Hamilton so early? Having list spots available throws another option in the mix, adds an element of doubt opens up the possibility of trading instead of accepting inferior picks? Why keep Hrovat another year when an above market value offer was on the table last trade period?

I guess I feel it's an area we can still get better at

Agreed... need to plan better before we get to the table. I understand your point.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

With zero training in the ruck

To be honest I'm not sure why people are so keen to turn him into something he's not.

Key defender? Ruck? Full forward?

He's an experienced high forward with a huge tank, a booming kick and nice hands. Roaming up the ground and back and presenting as a marking option from 30-70 out is his gig and attempts to transition him to other roles are one of the major reasons for his drop in form over the past couple of years. Just don't see the reason for trying to re-purpose a 29 year old who has struggled to reinvent himself previously. He's good at what he does. If that's not good enough to make the side then so be it.

 

[BatteredBulldog]

I get the T Boyd and Picken argument. I understand JJs influence was critical. Morris was huge. But when I watch that game the truly hard shit against the swans midfield is consistently done by Marcrae. He the man.

Kennedy kicked some goals and did some real hard work when the swans needed it in the 2/3 rd quarters. But Jackson just never ever stopped. He did nt kick goals but he set them up. Time after time he is at the bottom of a pack with no right to get it out but he repeatedly hits handball targets with swans players bear hugging him.
He doesn't kick long but in tight under pressure he finds the dinky pass or handball.

He is amazingly smart in tight, far stronger then he looks, a gut runner who works both ways better than anyone in our team. He has developed his game into an elite instinct in all but goal kicking.

Something tells me he will continue to improve.

Boyd took big marks, Pickens 4 th quarter was huge, JJ ran and ran them ragged. Morris crushed their forward thrusts. But Macrae beat them at their strength - at what the swans pride themselves in most hardness at the contest. In the big moments he is repeatedly critical. He takes body punishment as well as Picken.

While the spotlight shines on the Bont - as it should. Or Stringer when his firing or liber when goes beast mode - Macrae just keeps racking them up - not with the cheapies but in key moments - moments which are easy to miss because he does the ugly work in the chain it is obscured unless you watch the replay carefully.

Then you see the tackle, the bump, the tireless running, the crunch and the quick release to start the chain.

I bow to him in praise and deference - all hail Macrae!!!

POTY!

 

[darthbards]

Macrae is always our second best player - a gun
Each time I rewatch the gf I am more and more convinced the norm smith should have ended up around Macrae's neck.

I thought Macrae should have won the Norm Smith the first time I watched the GF. I also thought after Bont he was our best player against Hawthorn. I also attribute Macraes injury to us losing a bit of form and his return the single reason our form immediately picked up leading us to winning the flag. Macrae is easily the most underrated player in the league,maybe after Morris. He knows very little about goal kicking though which made it even better that he kicked the winning goal against GWS.

 

[Bulldogs Legend]

Oh really? By the looks of it on this board we got the wooden spoon and traded out our best players

Good to see some positive people

Bev is gonna have a very hard time selecting best 22

i get the feeling sometimes that we are so used to not having success that the negativity gets inbred in us.
Its not the smartest to get too excited over who wins \loses in the trade period (in fact thats a trait of the clubs who are struggling)as no one really knows for 2/3 or longer years away. For us we need to be happy and content we have a great young list with some great veterans, an excellent coach, a great drafting/talent spotting team!!!
Added to this we have the Asian Team of The Centuries number one Ruckman!!!

 

[Zgope1]

I thought Macrae should have won the Norm Smith the first time I watched the GF. I also thought after Bont he was our best player against Hawthorn. I also attribute Macraes injury to us losing a bit of form and his return the single reason our form immediately picked up leading us to winning the flag. Macrae is easily the most underrated player in the league,maybe after Morris. He knows very little about goal kicking though which made it even better that he kicked the winning goal against GWS.

his inside 50 kicking to leads on the forward flank was good in the finals until the granny where he was rightfully kicking short but to a bloody good bunch of sydney defenders. He'll become a much more damaging player than he is right now but is quite a star already and for me symbolizes the 1 flag ain't good enough attitude of this young group

 

[Bulldogs Legend]

I thought Macrae should have won the Norm Smith the first time I watched the GF. I also thought after Bont he was our best player against Hawthorn. I also attribute Macraes injury to us losing a bit of form and his return the single reason our form immediately picked up leading us to winning the flag. Macrae is easily the most underrated player in the league,maybe after Morris. He knows very little about goal kicking though which made it even better that he kicked the winning goal against GWS.

His speed of hand is something to behold but you often have to see the replays to pick up the influence.

 

[Super Hans]

Drew Petrie, Chris Dawes, Mitch Brown, Mitch Clark, Michael Barlow, Xavier Richards, Sam Fisher, Dean Towers.

Any interest there? Just copied and pasted off the AFL site as players still looking for homes.

Towers could be alright as depth I guess. And Richard. Only two for me that would be a flat out no are Petrie and Clark.

 

[jdz101]

Drew Petrie, Chris Dawes, Mitch Brown, Mitch Clark, Michael Barlow, Xavier Richards, Sam Fisher, Dean Towers.

Any interest there? Just copied and pasted off the AFL site as players still looking for homes.

Towers could be alright as depth I guess. And Richard. Only two for me that would be a flat out no are Petrie and Clark.

Slim pickins.....whats the go with lonergan?

 

[gangsta deluxe]

If we had Dean Towers in our side we would have lost a number of close games that we in fact won. He shat the bed for Sydney many times.

Hope we dont touch him with a ten foot pole.

 

[ExRoyboy]

Yeah, I was given him far too much credit. For a second there I thought he might have changed. I'm actually surprised he didn't throw Toyd into his little dig.

That's one of the best things about the whole Finals and the GF in particular, I don't think we will hear from him again about Toyd. Even Barret isn't stupid enough to go there again given he was a major factor in winning a premiership.

 

[VitalDread]

Macrae low darting kicks are great to watch, we would have 4-6 more set shots if Grundy didn't cut them off

 

[immortalmike]

I'm slightly bemused at the narrative being created here that McCartney is an overrated List manager and that he relies on Dalrymple to "save his arse" (I am sorry to the poster who said this I've forgotten who it was and had I remembered I would have quoted you directly so please don't take this as an exercise in passive aggression).
They work together, McCartney goes into the trade period knowing what Dalrymple needs to work his magic and that's why we have the list we do. It's also why we tend to have to focus more on retention than recruiting. Personally I think Jason is getting a bum rap.

 

[Ozil]

Drew Petrie, Chris Dawes, Mitch Brown, Mitch Clark, Michael Barlow, Xavier Richards, Sam Fisher, Dean Towers.

Any interest there? Just copied and pasted off the AFL site as players still looking for homes.

Towers could be alright as depth I guess. And Richard. Only two for me that would be a flat out no are Petrie and Clark.

I like Richards. Mind you, not as much as I like Zaine Cordy.

Zero interest in the rest.

 

[BRWB]

Drew Petrie, Chris Dawes, Mitch Brown, Mitch Clark, Michael Barlow, Xavier Richards, Sam Fisher, Dean Towers.

Any interest there? Just copied and pasted off the AFL site as players still looking for homes.

Towers could be alright as depth I guess. And Richard. Only two for me that would be a flat out no are Petrie and Clark.

Not sure we need depth in mid sized players.

The talls listed well Petrie and Fisher (who plays tall) are cooked. Dawes and Brown never went in the oven. While Clarke, even in the unlikely event he is fit, just doesn't seem a good 'cultural fit'...so no.

Possibly X Richards? Tall and quickish. Possibly could be trained to play Hamling role?? May depend in who is left at P50.

Still think we are a tall shy of ok list balance.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Drew Petrie, Chris Dawes, Mitch Brown, Mitch Clark, Michael Barlow, Xavier Richards, Sam Fisher, Dean Towers.

Any interest there? Just copied and pasted off the AFL site as players still looking for homes.

Towers could be alright as depth I guess. And Richard. Only two for me that would be a flat out no are Petrie and Clark.

Petrie's cooked. Dawes just ain't that good. Brown hasn't played a decent AFL game in about two and a half years. Nooooooo to Clark. Barlow is still capable but I don't see why he'd come to us given he'd absolutely be guaranteed games elsewhere. Richards is no world-beater but I don't mind him as depth. Fisher is still a handy player but has had three years limited by hamstring injuries at 34. Towers has some nice attributes but just isn't composed enough to make it in my view.

Fairly underwhelming list imo.

 

[Yojimbo]

Josh can play at almost every spot, perks of GWS early development a lot of kids moved spots so he wouldn't be out of place.
He would replace Murphy off half back

AFL is slowly becoming the NBA with friends talking about joining teams etc

Josh Kelly 184 cm 80 kg Can play transition positions mainly outside,
half back, half forward and wing big tank. Very similar to Lachie
Hunter with better skills, draft and develop type rather than sell the
farm for type, very common in every years draft.

 

[darthbards]

I'm slightly bemused at the narrative being created here that McCartney is an overrated List manager and that he relies on Dalrymple to "save his arse" (I am sorry to the poster who said this I've forgotten who it was and had I remembered I would have quoted you directly so please don't take this as an exercise in passive aggression).
They work together, McCartney goes into the trade period knowing what Dalrymple needs to work his magic and that's why we have the list we do. It's also why we tend to have to focus more on retention than recruiting. Personally I think Jason is getting a bum rap.

Them working together is a good point. It's another example how a lot of supporters from all clubs think you have to trade and forget the big picture. Taking two picks inside the top 30 is a big win meaning McCartneys done a very good job.

 

[darthbards]

His speed of hand is something to behold but you often have to see the replays to pick up the influence.

Good post. Whenever I watch a replay Macrae is nearly always the one that stands out. His work rate and sheer volume of possessions he can rack up stand out also.

 

[54dreamsalive]

Devon smith wants to come home next year and will be uncontracted.

 

[Zgope1]

I'm slightly bemused at the narrative being created here that McCartney is an overrated List manager and that he relies on Dalrymple to "save his arse" (I am sorry to the poster who said this I've forgotten who it was and had I remembered I would have quoted you directly so please don't take this as an exercise in passive aggression).
They work together, McCartney goes into the trade period knowing what Dalrymple needs to work his magic and that's why we have the list we do. It's also why we tend to have to focus more on retention than recruiting. Personally I think Jason is getting a bum rap.

one only needs to look at the players coming back from injury/suspension next year, and the 10-15 deep list of afl quality emergencies to see old mate Jmac is better off keeping the quality we do have than chasing scraps of other teams.

It's not like Shane Biggs and Joel Hamling, two of the most calculated buys i can remember don't justify how thought out everything we do is.

Carlton on the other hand... yeh... surely those 9 ex gws players are the 9 best players available for those list spots. Nothing lazy or biased about that!

 

[Norm De Guerre]

I'm slightly bemused at the narrative being created here that McCartney is an overrated List manager and that he relies on Dalrymple to "save his arse" (I am sorry to the poster who said this I've forgotten who it was and had I remembered I would have quoted you directly so please don't take this as an exercise in passive aggression).
They work together, McCartney goes into the trade period knowing what Dalrymple needs to work his magic and that's why we have the list we do. It's also why we tend to have to focus more on retention than recruiting. Personally I think Jason is getting a bum rap.

Just the usual Draft week(s) "Do something, do anything!" jitters. Nothing more.

Transpose Bigfooty and Camelot and trade weeks(s) always brings this classic to mind.

 

[Beasht]

Rory Thompson FA next year, surely the club would have a crack at him with our cap space and possible hole left by Adams?