Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Doggies_13]

Let me get this straight. A lot of people in here are already set on spending the magic beans that we would receive in a trade for Josh Dunkley. Just because there hasn't been an announcement as to him re-signing as yet. I actually get the sense that some are actually welcoming it as the panacea for everything that has gone wrong this season.

I guess by that measure we should be discussing how many beans we will get in return for Bailey Smith.

I guess you can’t discuss potential list management changes in a list management thread.

Every comment on Dunkley is premised on the IF he chooses to leave.

Difference between smith and Dunkley is Dunkley has previously publicly requested to leave.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I guess you can’t discuss potential list management changes in a list management thread.

Every comment on Dunkley is premised on the IF he chooses to leave.

Difference between smith and Dunkley is Dunkley has previously publicly requested to leave.

And Smith has expressed the intention to stay iirc

 

[Golden_6]

Our forward line personnel is certainly not an issue for me. We already score pretty heavily despite some poor structural issues and poor delivery (Naughton centric). The players themselves are fine but the coaching needs improvement.

Naughton, JUH, Darcy, Weightman & West are an incredibly young group who will grow over the next 8-10 years. If we were going to target anyone, it should be another goalkicking pressure small.

Our main issues stem purely from our defence which is performing at a bottom 4 level right now. That’s the area of the ground we need to address to re-establish ourselves as contenders. We need to add a gun KPD and a gun medium/versatile defender. In terms of realistic options, I’d say players such as Logue and Broad would be the two types of players we need.

 

[adogsfan5]

Ralphy going with Lobb to dogs getting even stronger by the day.

 

[footscray1973]

Ralphy going with Lobb to dogs getting even stronger by the day.

At this rate, he'll be an "In" for us this weekend!

 

[Foxman98]

At this rate, he'll be an "In" for us this weekend!

Bit wet this week but will take him for the Saints game

 

[Pocket Terrace]

I can’t see rebuilding clubs giving us high end first round picks like 3.

Usually I would agree, but Essendon and Hawthorn over the past decade have parted with more first rounders than any other clubs that I can recall. With Brasher openly boasting a war chest and aggression at the trade table, I wouldn't put it past them.

 

[lachy]

Let me get this straight. A lot of people in here are already set on spending the magic beans that we would receive in a trade for Josh Dunkley. Just because there hasn't been an announcement as to him re-signing as yet. I actually get the sense that some are actually welcoming it as the panacea for everything that has gone wrong this season.

I guess by that measure we should be discussing how many beans we will get in return for Bailey Smith.

If there was any substance or truth required behind this thread, yep agree.

This thread allows supporters to come up with all weird and wonderful scenarios, opinions and dreams, relevance is actually optional.

One thing on the other side of the discussion in regards to Dunkley or Smith if you like, in order to trade in a top level KPD we are going to need trade currency to do so, so working out beans isn't necessarily a bad discussion though I do find the amount of beans some expect fanciful and wishful thinking

 

[BrisDog]

Coaches (Bevo at least) also understand the long term cultural value of promoting from within and rewarding work ethic. He's not promoting those guys just as stop gaps cause theyre mature bodies, he's building unity and club loyalty and giving VFL guys aspirational hope. Of cause robbo wouldnt understand that.

Its complex. having your Hayes, Roarke, Gardy, Gowers, McComb, Scott et al types rotate through the side is part of the reason we havent won enough H&A games for top 4, we rarely seem to play our 'best' or 'most talented' side. but it also probably keeps us in the hunt longer. Youve gotta have some cheapies playing at your bottom end, and better to be guys people root for within the club, otherwise you end up topping out your cap and free falling.

Good points and well written-up Al Dente, however I would rather a more speculative stab at the next JJ, Harbrow etc than a solid citizen with limited capability (not mentioning names).

Similarly, I would rather our team wins a Premiership once every ten years, and miss out on finals the other nine years than play ten years in a row in the finals without winning the flag….if that makes sense.

I am sure there is philosophical label to my theory above if someone can help me out.

 

[BrisDog]

At this rate, he'll be an "In" for us this weekend!

As long as McComb comes out for him.

 

[BIG_BONTS]

For all those who want Naughton to go back, have you thought about what Naughton wants? It might be a similar case to English. He might just leave if he had to play a position he didn’t want to. We could always play the team first card but he can play the ‘I have 15 other teams willing to pay more than you who want to build a forward line around me’ card.
The other problem that will occur is that as soon as we have a bad scoring game, half the board will shout for sending Naughton back to the forward line and we need to win games and not stop them and it’s easier to find a key defender than key forward and all manner of cliches.

I would hope that all our players want team success above all else. I just can't see Naughton who his team mates regard as captain material being vehemently against it if it benefits the team structure. Grant played both ends... why not Naughton? Is it a huge slap in the face to be the best KP player at club at both ends?

FWIW and then I'll drop it. I would only send him back if we got a high performing new #1 KPF into the club in 2023 and for whatever reason couldn't get a new CHB or KPD. It would be temporary not permanent until those things were sorted with Darcy, JUH etc. We need to be much more competitive in our backline 1:1 to win a flag.

 

[Unorth]

Plot twist: We’re going to play Lobb in the backline

 

[TiAn_]

Plot twist: We’re going to play Lobb in the backline

And Logue forward.

This is the (Bev) way.

 

[TedDougChris]

Plot twist: We’re going to play Lobb in the backline

We need a small, speedy lockdown defender !!

 

[mattwa]

Do we need Lobb? To me it doesnt make much sense we need a CHB and our cap is full. If Lobb comes in then where does Jamarra and Bruce fit into that forwardline? All the good teams have 2 key forwards and a fleet of smalls to apply pressure. Are you going to play 4 talls? Madness

 

[weltschmerz]

Do we need Lobb? To me it doesnt make much sense we need a CHB and our cap is full. If Lobb comes in then where does Jamarra and Bruce fit into that forwardline? All the good teams have 2 key forwards and a fleet of smalls to apply pressure. Are you going to play 4 talls? Madness

I think Lobb is in preparation for Bruce to not get back to his 2021 self.

 

[mattwa]

I think Lobb is in preparation for Bruce to not get back to his 2021 self.

Then what is Jamarra and Darcy? Also the Croft boy is a forward from all reports. Our defense is terrible and giving up both cap and draft picks for Lobb makes no sense to me

 

[TedDougChris]

Do we need Lobb? To me it doesnt make much sense we need a CHB and our cap is full. If Lobb comes in then where does Jamarra and Bruce fit into that forwardline? All the good teams have 2 key forwards and a fleet of smalls to apply pressure. Are you going to play 4 talls? Madness

We play better with two rucks (IMO). Lobb plays 2nd tall/3rd tall and relief ruck.

If Bruce returns well, JUH might be missing out on a game under that scenario. If not, JUH plays third tall/leading forward.

I am guessing Bruce has next year and maybe one more after that. Lobb plays until Darcy is ready to replace him.

So it’s be: English, Naughton, Lobb and JUH

Or

English, Naughton, Bruce and Lobb

Scache is break glass in case of emergency.

 

[mattwa]

We play better with two rucks (IMO). Lobb plays 2nd tall/3rd tall and relief ruck.

If Bruce returns well, JUH might be missing out on a game under that scenario. If not, JUH plays third tall/leading forward.

I am guessing Bruce has next year and maybe one more after that. Lobb plays until Darcy is ready to replace him.

So it’s be: English, Naughton, Lobb and JUH

Or

English, Naughton, Bruce and Lobb

Scache is break glass in case of emergency.

Schache would be mad to stay hes best 22 at a number of teams and will prob be a 30 to 40 goal forward. I want him to stay however but we have really messed up playing Jamarra when he isnt ready and Buku over him which surely has p*ssed him off

 

[Foxman98]

Then what is Jamarra and Darcy? Also the Croft boy is a forward from all reports. Our defense is terrible and giving up both cap and draft picks for Lobb makes no sense to me

Jamarra has improved but is nowhere near full consistent AFL standard yet, Darcy hasn't played a game, Bruce has already pinged a hammy after 1 game back from an ACL and is 31 half way through next year and Schache just doesn't string enough games together. Lobb is a competent ruck and has actual forward craft too

 

[Foxman98]

Schache would be mad to stay hes best 22 at a number of teams and will prob be a 30 to 40 goal forward. I want him to stay however but we have really messed up playing Jamarra when he isnt ready and Buku over him which surely has p*ssed him off

North and West Coast if they lose Kennedy and Darling where else would he be best 22?

 

[BEaston]

After much consternation about our ruck situation on here, I'm genuinely surprised at the disenchantment at the Lobb news.

Here's a guy that can pair beautifully with English to ensure we're never really handicapped in the ruck any more (while also contributing positively around the ground).... thought the board as a collective would be jumping at it.

 

[TiAn_]

Lobb wouldn’t really be competing with JUH. He’d be replacing Schache in the current side.

With Naughton as primary KPF and Lobb as forward/ruck, presumably Bruce and JUH would be competing for the second KPF spot next year. If JUH can’t outperform a 30 year old coming back from a 12 month ACL injury then it is what it is. I don’t think the club is getting in the way of his development.

Can’t be turning down a proven entity and need in Lobb in the hope JUH kicks on and the secondary/backup ruck situation magically resolves.

 

[Dog 36]

North and West Coast if they lose Kennedy and Darling where else would he be best 22?

I’m surprised you concede he may get a game at North and West Coast given you description of the player previously

 

[HK_Bulldog]

North and West Coast if they lose Kennedy and Darling where else would he be best 22?

Schache would be mad to stay hes best 22 at a number of teams and will prob be a 30 to 40 goal forward. I want him to stay however but we have really messed up playing Jamarra when he isnt ready and Buku over him which surely has p*ssed him off

A bit of an over-rating of Schache. I can't see any other club picking him up let alone kicking 30 to 40 goals. If we delist him, I highly doubt even WCE or NM would want him. He'll be playing VFL somewhere assuming he wants to keep playing footy. He's useful for the odd game here or there such as Hawthorn a couple weeks ago but what club wants a player that is good for 2 games a year at random?