Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[_Mike_]

Do we need Lobb? To me it doesnt make much sense we need a CHB and our cap is full.

It's the Bulldog way

trade/draft AFL journeyman around the 30yo mark for positions we're not lacking, and miss the obvious. If they want Lobb they have to cut Schache, Martin and Sweet loose to start with, draft a KPD and let go Wallis, McComb or McNeil while theyr at it.

 

[Foxman98]

I’m surprised you concede he may get a game at North and West Coast given you description of the player previously

They're both bottom 2 sides for a reason he'd be higher depth chart for both sides

 

[Smiley Boy]

A bit of an over-rating of Schache. I can't see any other club picking him up let alone kicking 30 to 40 goals. If we delist him, I highly doubt even WCE or NM would want him. He'll be playing VFL somewhere assuming he wants to keep playing footy. He's useful for the odd game here or there such as Hawthorn a couple weeks ago but what club wants a player that is good for 2 games a year at random?

Agree if we delist Schache there's a very high to likely chance he's playing for Frankston Dolphins or similar next season.. That's the thing about us we love to keep the spuds who'd never get a game at any other club

 

[Mofra]

Then what is Jamarra and Darcy? Also the Croft boy is a forward from all reports. Our defense is terrible and giving up both cap and draft picks for Lobb makes no sense to me

Undeveloped kids.

We need a Forward-ruck and a KPD. We should be looking at both positions. We missed Soldo last year and we've tried Khamis/Cordy/Schache as a fill in with limited success.
We missed Payne last year and our defence has looked shaky.

 

[VitalDread]

Naughton is a generational marking and goal kicking talent and the only thing holding our forward line together. He’s a decent chance to kick 400-500+ goals if he remains forward for the rest of his career.

Just recruit a better CHB.

Naughton could be leading the coleman and people will say
Naught backline???

 

[Foxman98]

Naughton could be leading the coleman and people will say
Naught backline???

Absolutely baffles me, It's much harder to find an elite KPF then KPD yet we want to keep throwing our best and most dangerous KPF back

 

[Bald]

Has anyone considered that Lobb isn’t the only player we are looking at? He definitely fills a need. The second ruck/forward is an area we absolutely need. I’ve defended Schache in the role but that’s only because he’s the best option we have. Lobb means Schache never plays that position again (whether he plays another is up to him).

Hypothetically, if we brought in Lobb and McKay I’d be absolutely chuffed. I seriously doubt the club is looking at the obvious hole in defence and seeing Lobb as the answer. Lobb is the answer short term to our ruck/forward hole which will in time be filled by Darcy. I’m not going to be upset at the club for planning for the possibility that Sam Darcy may take 2-3 years to come on properly.

 

[Unorth]

Replacing Schache, Cordy, Sweet, Buku or Hannan with Lobb is a huge upgrade and I wish we could just do the trade now. Almost cooked Martin + Tim was really effective for us last year, this will be much better.

This news has been leaked exceptionally early, especially considering it involves us. I’m sure the club is very aware that our backline is cooked. And that Keath and Duryea, the only two defenders we have that can actually defend, are looking increasingly shaky availability wise. If we truly had options I’m not certain Gardner and/or TOB would be playing either. You could argue Cordy is an option but I’d almost be surprised if he’s on our list next year, unless he agrees to play mostly for Footscray and act as last resort injury cover like he is now.

All in all a very sensible move and I don’t think we’re done by any means. Especially since Dunkley is such an unknown variable.

After having our hand forced with Marra and Darcy I fully expect Power and Bev to start going all in and that Lobb is just the start.

 

[adogsfan5]

With Lobb in. I’d hope Tim would go back to being able to play deep forward for 25% of the game.

 

[Outback Footy]

Lobbs a good top up option. And Boydy rates him (just listen to the latest Danny Boyd podcast, the prelim final edition, gold!)

If Jamarra and Darcy both develop much more quickly than expected, and both are better than Lobb, great! Hes still a much better depth player than Schache. Hes probably a better option than Sweet around the ground. And more resilient than Brucey atm.

No it doesnt fix our KPD issue, hopefully that McKay kid does that for us, and why on earth would he not be wanting to abandon Norf? Surely the club can target both. Hopefully the club is.

 

[scooter600x]

Do we need Lobb? To me it doesnt make much sense we need a CHB and our cap is full. If Lobb comes in then where does Jamarra and Bruce fit into that forwardline? All the good teams have 2 key forwards and a fleet of smalls to apply pressure. Are you going to play 4 talls? Madness

Naughton has to go back.

Bruce, Lobb & Jamarra forward
Keath, Naughton and someone not named O'Brien back

It would make us less predictable going forward, we'll get just as many goals from key forwards in total as we are getting this year and we're ahead one gun defender and a relief ruckman.

To paraphrase Billy Beames, we don't have to replace Naughton with one player, we need to replace what Naughton brings with the three of them.

 

[Foxman98]

Naughton has to go back.

Bruce, Lobb & Jamarra forward
Keath, Naughton and someone not named O'Brien back

It would make us less predictable going forward, we'll get just as many goals from key forwards in total as we are getting this year and we're ahead one gun defender and a relief ruckman.

To paraphrase Billy Beames, we don't have to replace Naughton with one player, we need to replace what Naughton brings with the three of them.

Naughton is currently 4th is the coleman Lobb is 23rd how does being worse and "less predictable" make us better?

 

[Bald]

Naughton is currently 4th is the coleman Lobb is 23rd how does being worse and "less predictable" make us better?

Clearly being 4th in the Coleman doesn’t equate to being a great team. Winning games does and whilst I’m not all in on Naughton going back, if the end product is we are a more rounded team then what’s really the issue?

 

[doggies ftw]

Yeah look if we’re talking 500k & a 2nd round pick on a 3 year deal, you’d be crazy not too.

I just hope we don’t believe slotting Lobb in instantly fixes our forward line, still so many issues with the cohesion of the forward line. And also Lobbs used to playing alongside poor or no forward options he’s got to know his role for us is dragging defenders away from Naughty & then trying to hit the scoreboard with limited opportunities, not putting yourself in the hotspot and flying for contested marks

As we saw with Bruce that change can take some time to work out - we need to be prepared to endure that again next year and not expect miracles (if we get him)

 

[LittleG]

Then what is Jamarra and Darcy? Also the Croft boy is a forward from all reports. Our defense is terrible and giving up both cap and draft picks for Lobb makes no sense to me

I think Jaxon Cooney’s (year later) is also a KPF.

 

[scooter600x]

Naughton is currently 4th is the coleman Lobb is 23rd how does being worse and "less predictable" make us better?

I'm not interested in winning the Coleman

This year we will get 60 goals from Naughton, 10 from Schache and 10 from Jamarra - 80 goals from key forwards
Next year we get 40 from Bruce, 30 from Lobb and 20 from Jamarra - 90 goals from key forwards
Plus we have a gun key back and a relief ruckman

 

[BEaston]

With Lobb in. I’d hope Tim would go back to being able to play deep forward for 25% of the game.

Why? Lobb is better than English forward, and English is better than Lobb in the ruck.

 

[Foxman98]

Clearly being 4th in the Coleman doesn’t equate to being a great team. Winning games does and whilst I’m not all in on Naughton going back, if the end product is we are a more rounded team then what’s really the issue?

We don’t kick enough goals to win games now how does taking away our highest by almost double improve us?

 

[Foxman98]

I'm not interested in winning the Coleman

This year we will get 60 goals from Naughton, 10 from Schache and 10 from Jamarra - 80 goals from key forwards
Next year we get 40 from Bruce, 30 from Lobb and 20 from Jamarra - 90 goals from key forwards
Plus we have a gun key back and a relief ruckman

If you get 60 from Naughton and 50 from Bruce and Lobb that’s 110 recruit a key defender and you’ve got a better forward line and a better backline

 

[BEaston]

I'm not interested in winning the Coleman

This year we will get 60 goals from Naughton, 10 from Schache and 10 from Jamarra - 80 goals from key forwards
Next year we get 40 from Bruce, 30 from Lobb and 20 from Jamarra - 90 goals from key forwards
Plus we have a gun key back and a relief ruckman

The team is the sum of its parts argument has been put forward to move Naughton back previously. It's certainly the line of logic I've pushed in the past, however it generally gets ignored as people only see Naughton's enormous impact as a forward in isolation.

Having said that, I think Naughton's forward work has improved to a high enough standard (as well as the fact he has no experience playing back for years now), that I don't think the team's overall value increases by moving him back now.

 

[Bald]

We don’t kick enough goals to win games now how does taking away our highest by almost double improve us?

We are third for points for and 11th for points against?

 

[adogsfan5]

Why? Lobb is better than English forward, and English is better than Lobb in the ruck.

English can’t ruck 100% of the game mate. He’s also a genuine threat inside 50. We saw it last year how dangerous he made us.
A few mins deep here and there when resting is good for us. Lobb can ruck for those minutes and when Tim is off.

 

[Libbaaaa]

Having a forward line of Naughton, Marra/Bruce and Lobb w/ Timmy rucking is basically a replica of our structure last year when we were blitzing teams. I'm fine with it because Marra and Darcy are still years away from being the KP contributors we hope they will be.

 

[mattwa]

Undeveloped kids.

We need a Forward-ruck and a KPD. We should be looking at both positions. We missed Soldo last year and we've tried Khamis/Cordy/Schache as a fill in with limited success.
We missed Payne last year and our defence has looked shaky.

No issue with the defense being upgraded its the cap space and draft picks on lobb. Would happily use the cap space amd picks on a chb

 

[mattwa]

I don't know how clear it needs to be Naughton is not going back. Suggesting this as an option is a waste of time. He wants to be a forward and another club would offer him that position in a heart beat. He's a superstar key fwd you don't move one of those to the backline