Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 6 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Bonty4]

Hannan first of many to go

 

[Fossie 32]

Baz coming up in 7 news

 

[Hobdog]

All those “I never want to see Hannan in a dogs jumper again” posts have come true


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[TiAn_]

Yes his VFL form was fine but his AFL form was shite

I thought each of the three times he’s had decent TOG at AFL level he’s shown a fair bit. When you consider that Hannan, McComb and McLean combined for 15 games as well, there were about 40 mediocre games there for half forwards that he’d he have a fair claim to.

 

[murphy's twin]

Another way to look at this is to think about our strategy with Lobb and Darcy.

The idea currently has been for Darcy to replace Lobb in the future as that 2nd ruck/Forward.

Well instead of that I suggest that we plan for Darcy to become the main ruckman in a few years time, and in the meantime, we have Darcy competing with lobb as the 2nd ruck to support our new cheap first ruck.

I think Darcy in 2-3 years will be an ideal ruckman…

Also I just don’t think Darcy will thrive in any other role long term.

I think he will struggle in defense through lack of speed. And I don’t think he will reach his potential in the Lobb role (considering we already have a tall forward line)

Really I think English leaving will really allow Darcy to flourish down the track

 

[Iamspock]

Caro: "I don't expect..."
is code for 'I have no idea but I have to say something'.

If she's wrong, will she come out and apologise?

She may be right, but talk is cheap, especially in the footy media!

She's never apologised. She just blames somebody else or goes denial, denial, denial...Radio silence.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Hi all

What’s our best 22 and where are the gaps?

B: Dale _______ Richards
HB JJ Jones Daniel
C: Smith Macrae Treloar
HF: Weightman Naughton _______
F: _______ JUH _________
FOL: English Bontempelli Libba

Not sold on Lobb but he was excellent the other day.

There’s nothing wrong with that list above. Those players are all good. AFL standard if not better. I’ve been quiet all season but the bottom end of our 22 is abysmal. We desperately need a key back who can intercept. Whilst I like O’Donnell, I think he is still some time away. But at least he looks like a sportsman, the game and skills seems to come easily to him. I would hope that Arthur Jones would be the solution to the speed problem in the front half, but he never touches the ball when he comes on the ground. His pressure and speed are good, but his tackles don’t impact the opposition ever.

We have to cut the crap that’s on our list. The worst players in our side who continually get turned over are being asked to do too much. They have too much impact in the game, not just from an effort point of view, but from a skill point of view and their skills are simply not up to it, so they end up turning the ball over all the time.

This season was incredibly frustrating and a lot of things need to change before the start of next year. I don’t know if Bevo is the problem but I do know that the coaching support around him seems to lack a lot of ability. Comparing our coaching group to the Saints coaching group is depressing.

I haven’t seen the 2s this year so what’s the story with Busslinger and all the young guys? Do any of them have what it takes to move us forward? Can Darcy be the full back? I keep hearing people saying Naughton should go back, but I watched him closely when he went back against North Melbourne and he was awful. Finding people who can mark it in the forward line is hard. Leave him.

 

[hatescaptcha]

Hi all

What’s our best 22 and where are the gaps?

B: Dale _______ Richards
HB JJ Jones Daniel
C: Smith Macrae Treloar
HF: Weightman Naughton _______
F: _______ JUH _________
FOL: English Bontempelli Libba

Not sold on Lobb but he was excellent the other day.

There’s nothing wrong with that list above. Those players are all good. AFL standard if not better. I’ve been quiet all season but the bottom end of our 22 is abysmal. We desperately need a key back who can intercept. Whilst I like O’Donnell, I think he is still some time away. But at least he looks like a sportsman, the game and skills seems to come easily to him. I would hope that Arthur Jones would be the solution to the speed problem in the front half, but he never touches the ball when he comes on the ground. His pressure and speed are good, but his tackles don’t impact the opposition ever.

We have to cut the crap that’s on our list. The worst players in our side who continually get turned over are being asked to do too much. I have too much impact in the game, not just from an effort point of you, but from a skill point of you And their skills are simply not up to it, so they end up turning a ball over all the time.

This season was incredibly frustrating and a lot of things need to change before the start of next year. I don’t know if Bevo is the problem but I do know that the coaching support around him seems to lack a lot of ability. Comparing our coaching group to the Saints coaching group is depressing.

I haven’t seen the 2s this year so what’s the story with Busslinger and all the young guys? Do any of them have what it takes to move us forward? Can Darcy be the full back? I keep hearing people saying Naughton should go back, but I watched him closely when he went back against North Melbourne and he was awful. Finding people who can mark it in the forward line is hard. Leave him.

I personally think that O’Donnell is a lock in the back 6 next year and beyond.


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[Golden_6]

Yes his VFL form was fine but his AFL form was shite

4 out of 6 games he started as sub at AFL level. That ‘form’ is largely irrelevant.

 

[Anja_Nees]

Can we please try to avoid the “I know he’s been delisted by his fourth club but I think [insert spud here] could offer value depth on a one year deal” stuff that tends to fly around this time of year?

 

[Foxman98]

4 out of 6 games he started as sub at AFL level. That ‘form’ is largely irrelevant.

Which is a fairly big red flag that he has no impact coming on

Arty's GWS and Carlton last quarter is more than anything Kai has produced at AFL level

 

[Dogs Rule]

I don't think he goes, but I would happily take Ginnivan. Having said that Weightman and Ginnivan in our forward line would probably give us the same issues we have with too many talls down there.

 

[King Harold]

I don’t think we have the talent to spare to trade any of these players out to be honest. But not getting a maximum return on outgoing players has been a huge problem for us.

Stringer, Dunkley and Hunter combined netted us one very late first rounder and a few seconds. That’s for a leading goal kicker and two B&F winners, all traded during their primes. The best we got from Dahlhaus, Roughead, Cordy, Lipinski and Young going was a third rounder for Lipinski.

If we’re going to move blokes on anyway be decisive and do it while they have value and not once they’re circling the bargain bin or we have little trade leverage.

Wow that’s horrible

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Hi all

What’s our best 22 and where are the gaps?

B: Dale _______ Richards
HB JJ Jones Daniel
C: Smith Macrae Treloar
HF: Weightman Naughton _______
F: _______ JUH _________
FOL: English Bontempelli Libba

Not sold on Lobb but he was excellent the other day.

There’s nothing wrong with that list above. Those players are all good. AFL standard if not better. I’ve been quiet all season but the bottom end of our 22 is abysmal. We desperately need a key back who can intercept. Whilst I like O’Donnell, I think he is still some time away. But at least he looks like a sportsman, the game and skills seems to come easily to him. I would hope that Arthur Jones would be the solution to the speed problem in the front half, but he never touches the ball when he comes on the ground. His pressure and speed are good, but his tackles don’t impact the opposition ever.

We have to cut the crap that’s on our list. The worst players in our side who continually get turned over are being asked to do too much. They have too much impact in the game, not just from an effort point of view, but from a skill point of view and their skills are simply not up to it, so they end up turning the ball over all the time.

This season was incredibly frustrating and a lot of things need to change before the start of next year. I don’t know if Bevo is the problem but I do know that the coaching support around him seems to lack a lot of ability. Comparing our coaching group to the Saints coaching group is depressing.

I haven’t seen the 2s this year so what’s the story with Busslinger and all the young guys? Do any of them have what it takes to move us forward? Can Darcy be the full back? I keep hearing people saying Naughton should go back, but I watched him closely when he went back against North Melbourne and he was awful. Finding people who can mark it in the forward line is hard. Leave him.

With out current list:

JOD/Buss
Williams
Darcy/Lobb
Poulter/Baker
West/Clarke/Scott/Gallagher/Duryea/Arty/Cleary/Khamis/Gardner for the last spot.

 

[Struggle]

What are Lohmans strengths? Can't say I've seen him play and those numbers are rough

Maybe it's our turn to pony up a future 4th

 

[Iamspock]

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[King Harold]

I thought each of the three times he’s had decent TOG at AFL level he’s shown a fair bit. When you consider that Hannan, McComb and McLean combined for 15 games as well, there were about 40 mediocre games there for half forwards that he’d he have a fair claim to.

Agree , far better proposition than all of the above.

 

[TiAn_]

Which is a fairly big red flag that he has no impact coming on

Arty's GWS and Carlton last quarter is more than anything Kai has produced at AFL level

He had a few games with 4-5 disposals in <20% TOG as sub while Jones did that 4-5 times despite 60-70% TOG.

I like Jones and he had 4 good games out of his 13, but the other 8-9 were middling at best.

And like I said, we rolled quite a few through half forward other than Jones that had no impact this year. It’s not exactly a hotly contested position for us. Lohmann was a better forward at VFL level than all of them.

 

[doggies ftw]

To be fair to Lohmann small/medium forward at Brissy would probably be the hardest role in footy, even when you get a game you’re competing with the likes of Charlie, Raynor, Bailey, McCarthy and the resting mids of which there’s plenty

 

[yebach]

I don’t think we have the talent to spare to trade any of these players out to be honest. But not getting a maximum return on outgoing players has been a huge problem for us.

Stringer, Dunkley and Hunter combined netted us one very late first rounder and a few seconds. That’s for a leading goal kicker and two B&F winners, all traded during their primes. The best we got from Dahlhaus, Roughead, Cordy, Lipinski and Young going was a third rounder for Lipinski.

If we’re going to move blokes on anyway be decisive and do it while they have value and not once they’re circling the bargain bin or we have little trade leverage.

This a thousand times over.
Power, Bevo, Grant and whoever else is in charge need to have this post printed and stuck on their bedroom ceiling.

 

[doggiesin08]

I personally think that O’Donnell is a lock in the back 6 next year and beyond.


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Agree. If he didn’t improve any further he’s still a lock for the foreseeable future.

 

[NBates]

Hannan gone!

 

[DueWest]

Hi all

What’s our best 22 and where are the gaps?

B: Dale _______ Richards
HB JJ Jones Daniel
C: Smith Macrae Treloar
HF: Weightman Naughton _______
F: _______ JUH _________
FOL: English Bontempelli Libba

Not sold on Lobb but he was excellent the other day.

There’s nothing wrong with that list above. Those players are all good. AFL standard if not better. I’ve been quiet all season but the bottom end of our 22 is abysmal. We desperately need a key back who can intercept. Whilst I like O’Donnell, I think he is still some time away. But at least he looks like a sportsman, the game and skills seems to come easily to him. I would hope that Arthur Jones would be the solution to the speed problem in the front half, but he never touches the ball when he comes on the ground. His pressure and speed are good, but his tackles don’t impact the opposition ever.

We have to cut the crap that’s on our list. The worst players in our side who continually get turned over are being asked to do too much. They have too much impact in the game, not just from an effort point of view, but from a skill point of view and their skills are simply not up to it, so they end up turning the ball over all the time.

This season was incredibly frustrating and a lot of things need to change before the start of next year. I don’t know if Bevo is the problem but I do know that the coaching support around him seems to lack a lot of ability. Comparing our coaching group to the Saints coaching group is depressing.

I haven’t seen the 2s this year so what’s the story with Busslinger and all the young guys? Do any of them have what it takes to move us forward? Can Darcy be the full back? I keep hearing people saying Naughton should go back, but I watched him closely when he went back against North Melbourne and he was awful. Finding people who can mark it in the forward line is hard. Leave him.

You are right there is nothing wrong with that list but there are only 14 names on it, ie pick me if I’m not injured names.

Needs to be up around 18-20 to compete with top 4 and the remainder the fill ins or younger development types

Cut quick and deep this year and next

 

[ummmbont]

I think they will get band 1. It will be in the best interests of whoever he moves to make sure of it rather than find a first rounder for a trade. The clubs he's linked to have tonnes of cap space

How the truck does that dud who are is worse than Gardner get $800k a year noooo way we are all blind ..
Dale morris must have been worth 1.2 m

 

[doggiesin08]

To be fair to Lohmann small/medium forward at Brissy would probably be the hardest role in footy, even when you get a game you’re competing with the likes of Charlie, Raynor, Bailey, McCarthy and the resting mids of which there’s plenty

He’s a Ballarat boy so might actually have some interest in us.