Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 7 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)
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Hell no
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So we got pick 21, a F1 (~pick 14 value at the time), a F2 (Pick ~30 at the time) and gave back two future 3rd rounders (both pick ~50 at the time), getting back a 4th rounder.
3rd and 4th rounders are a bit of a wash, maybe equivalent to having a pick in the 30's a bit later.
Ultimately, if you had a single pick in the top 10, what would you trade those picks for as a collective? Don't look at points or whatever, just, what would a team that held a single pick in the top 10 would be willing to break that pick up if they got that F1 + pick 21?
I would say pick 8ish.
Which was fine for Dunkley. He had excellent form specifically before he was traded, but it was just that, form, and we also had to consider his more patchy career form and limitations as a player, without dismissing the fact that he was our best player for something like 5 or 6 of the last 10 games he played for us.
We also have to consider that while Brisbane had made other trades for points for Ashcroft/Fletcher, other than demanding the 3rd rounders back, that was essentially the maximum that they were allowed to trade. Maybe in a neutral setting we could have gotten more, but we had effectively squeezed all the blood out of the stone of the one team that we had agreed contract terms to.
Essendon was also two years earlier, not one (end of 2020 cause he was apparently fed up with his teammates in the bubble). Of course they offered more, he was in contract, not out of it. We rejected it, because he was on a cheap contract salary wise and we knew he would still try his best for the club under contract, which proved to be the case.
Yuck
We literally just drafted Freijah with pick 45,
CD offers us little to nothing now
And he is on chunky coin. 40 About right for a player who is now on the fringes.
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Yuck
I like Daniel, but if he was fundamentally worth more than that, it would have proven itself by demanding selection for more games than he does.
To a lesser extent than Macrae, we're still paying salary to someone we're no guarantee of selecting.
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If we lose Macrae, CD and Baz for pick 20 and 3 picks around 50, that would be the most disastrous trade period in the history of AFL.
Chad Warner was pick 39 there is always talent available and again Daniel is on good coin offering us little
If 15 and 35 are equivalent to pick 11, tell Geelong to package the 2 picks up and get 11 outright. Bet whoever it is that has 11 currently wont do it.
What ever the outcome now, it's going to be a pretty bitter, nasty ending. The way Geelong have gone about the process of tapping Smith up I have no confidence they are going to go into negotiations in good faith. At this point I'd walk him to the PSD unless Geelong are willing to give something significantly more than they currently have.
What ever the outcome now, it's going to be a pretty bitter, nasty ending. The way Geelong have gone about the process of tapping Smith up I have no confidence they are going to go into negotiations in good faith. At this point I'd walk him to the PSD unless Geelong are willing to give something significantly more than they currently have.
How? Daniel is a genuine fringe player at best Macrae is a borderline fringe player and Smith is coming off a season out and is OOC no need to over react
Bit dramatic, no?
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True, but if our 24th best player was worth a hell of a lot, we would have won every game last season. When in reality we won a lot of games because Bont exists, but our 24th player is not necessarily better than other team's 24th best player.
This board simultaneously thinks doesn't want to pay a third rounder for Xavier O'Halloran (who we will give a 3-4 year contract too, but not on a huge salary, who is not a worse player than Caleb Daniel, who we will refuse a good third round pick for? (who we were also benefitting from getting of his good money for the next two years).
If we can turn the list spot from Daniel to O'Halloran and marginally improve our draft hand and be in a slightly better salary cap situation that's a brilliant bit of work and it's us leveraging the fact that there's a western suburbs kid we can call home, and there's other teams (North) that need experienced players who have won finals and 100+ games in their career, more than their on-field ability in isolation. Both are roughly in the same ballpack as expected on-field contribution next year, if anything, XOH should be worth more to our team balance and structures.
Bailey Williams, Bailey Dale and CD himself all say hi.
40 will also come in to about 35 with bids as well once all the earlier picks are swallowed up
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Daniel and Macrae would likely not get picked for our R1 team next year (as they were this year).
In some respects, getting their contracts off our salary cap with any sort of draft capital and minimising the dead money we pay in terms of contributing to their contracts is a win for me, provided we have realistic assessments of turning the new salary cap room into recruiting other good players.
Come on no need to overreact like that
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Come on no need to overreact like that
It’s just so frustrating we’re losing all these AA caliber players for peanuts, especially after the Dunkley deal.
Apparently this year’s draft is even so we could find some quality again
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Come on no need to overreact like that
And free up around $2 mill in cap space
Daniel was AA in 2020 5 years ago by start of next year Macrae was last AA 2021 4 years ago come start of next season
