Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 7 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

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I've seen it mentioned that getting second rounders for Macrae/Daniel improves our list. I am much more uncertain about that.

When you look at a second rounder, particularly ones that are looking like being 30+, what you're hoping for is a solid role player who is consistently in the best side. That's what Macrae/Daniel were this year.

Unquestionably, the outcome will be a younger list, which is not necessarily a bad thing. But a better list requires some luck. Trading out best 23 players for middling picks is a risk.

Once again I do feel there is a disconnect between our desire and push to contend and our list management approach.
 
I'd take 32 for Macrae. You just know the kid we take at that pick is gonna be a 200 gamer...

The gift of Jordan McMahon must live on!
Our drafting in the top 20 has been ridiculously good for while. Since 2012 we’ve drafted Macrae, Stringer, Bontempelli, Dunkley, English, Naughton, Richards, Smith, Weightman, Jammarah, Darcy (two gifts) with Bussingler, Croft and Sanders in the last two years (too early to tell).

Only real miss in a decade has been Collins.
 

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Our drafting in the top 20 has been ridiculously good for while. Since 2012 we’ve drafted Macrae, Stringer, Bontempelli, Dunkley, English, Naughton, Richards, Smith, Weightman, Jammarah, Darcy (two gifts) with Bussingler, Croft and Sanders in the last two years (too early to tell).

Only real miss in a decade has been Collins.
Dunkley and Collins were 25 and 26 back to back in the 2015 draft
 
No disrespect to Macrae, who is a club legend, but I think Sanders takes his spot from Rd 1 and we don’t notice his absence.
Agree but he would want to put in a fair bit more effort with his defensive work around stoppages and defensive running for this to be beneficial. I like the kid but he has work to do
 
Like i said he has had one season and is 19 years of age ffs
FFS I'm entitled to an opinion mate, didnt bag the kid, if you read it properly I said I like the kid. Just pointing out his defensive skills need work which most will agree on. As a side we can't offered to be weak again in this area.

So drop the attitude mate
 
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I've seen it mentioned that getting second rounders for Macrae/Daniel improves our list. I am much more uncertain about that.

When you look at a second rounder, particularly ones that are looking like being 30+, what you're hoping for is a solid role player who is consistently in the best side. That's what Macrae/Daniel were this year.

Unquestionably, the outcome will be a younger list, which is not necessarily a bad thing. But a better list requires some luck. Trading out best 23 players for middling picks is a risk.

Once again I do feel there is a disconnect between our desire and push to contend and our list management approach.
That’s true, but I’m sure the coaching panel is looking to inject more speed into the squad.
Both of those greats of our club are just not dynamic enough in our current mix.
The standing rule has also had big effect on any player with poor leg speed.
The ball pings around a lot quicker now.

If we had to keep one definitely, Macrae.
 
I've seen it mentioned that getting second rounders for Macrae/Daniel improves our list. I am much more uncertain about that.

When you look at a second rounder, particularly ones that are looking like being 30+, what you're hoping for is a solid role player who is consistently in the best side. That's what Macrae/Daniel were this year.

Unquestionably, the outcome will be a younger list, which is not necessarily a bad thing. But a better list requires some luck. Trading out best 23 players for middling picks is a risk.

Once again I do feel there is a disconnect between our desire and push to contend and our list management approach.
It's absolutely about drafting youth, pace and ditching some salary, I still think a fit in the middle Jacko is best 23 for a lot of sides but we need to inject pace into the middle, and you can't have Macrae and Libba in the same side.

Danial I'm still on the fence about, we don't have a role he can play but I'd say he's one of our best field kicks and we need to find a spot for someone who can hit a target regularly.
 
That’s true, but I’m sure the coaching panel is looking to inject more speed into the squad.
Both of those greats of our club are just not dynamic enough in our current mix.
The standing rule has also had big effect on any player with poor leg speed.
The ball pings around a lot quicker now.

If we had to keep one definitely, Macrae.
I hear you on speed KH but are we actually that slow? If you compare leg-speed over the field to a team like Brisbane I'm actually not sure we come out drastically slower. We are just constantly handballing to stationary targets, over-committing offensively, and turning the ball over which makes us look way slower.

I don't know, I just feel we've put a lot of effort into getting this squad faster since 2016 and it's not really at any point benefited us.
 

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I've seen it mentioned that getting second rounders for Macrae/Daniel improves our list. I am much more uncertain about that.

When you look at a second rounder, particularly ones that are looking like being 30+, what you're hoping for is a solid role player who is consistently in the best side. That's what Macrae/Daniel were this year.

Unquestionably, the outcome will be a younger list, which is not necessarily a bad thing. But a better list requires some luck. Trading out best 23 players for middling picks is a risk.

Once again I do feel there is a disconnect between our desire and push to contend and our list management approach.

With the AFL in its wide open era, our approach is looking really lacklustre.

There seems to be almost no urgency to push into real contention with Bont in his prime.

I’ve seen a lot about internal developments, cap space and draft picks. Cap space - nobody wants to come here.

Internal development and draft picks are completely speculative and unknown quantities. We may improve from those spaces - or we may not at all.

What we seemed to really need were a couple of known quantities, improvements on 2-3 positions that are a consistent weakness for us, that would drag us into the top 4 across a whole season. Even if in a vacuum those acquisitions aren’t stars.

What we are doing so far is pushing out reliable if declining contributors, which is fine, but we aren’t replacing them with anyone reliable/consistent/known.

There’s always a balance, and I do suspect we pay overs to get XOH done, but it makes me pretty uneasy about 2025. We may get a couple of guns in the draft, we may get none, they may take years to come good. We haven’t even played Buss once in two seasons for example.

I think the plan was a Peatling + XOH trade, to do basically exactly as outlined, and we didn’t expect the Crows to outbid us.

Not to say it’s doom and gloom and that you must make X amount of trades and win the trade period etc. But I think some concern about our direction at this point is warranted, even though we revere Sam Power.

The “trade out contributors, hit the draft” approach is a bit nuts when you finish a game outside the top 4, and other sides in the same position are getting aggressive.
 
I'd take 32 for Macrae. You just know the kid we take at that pick is gonna be a 200 gamer...

The gift of Jordan McMahon must live on!
Does anyone know if we accept pick 32 would it come in a few spots with other bids on father sons/ academy picks or push out further?
 
With the AFL in its wide open era, our approach is looking really lacklustre.

There seems to be almost no urgency to push into real contention with Bont in his prime.

I’ve seen a lot about internal developments, cap space and draft picks. Cap space - nobody wants to come here.

Internal development and draft picks are completely speculative and unknown quantities. We may improve from those spaces - or we may not at all.

What we seemed to really need were a couple of known quantities, improvements on 2-3 positions that are a consistent weakness for us, that would drag us into the top 4 across a whole season. Even if in a vacuum those acquisitions aren’t stars.

What we are doing so far is pushing out reliable if declining contributors, which is fine, but we aren’t replacing them with anyone reliable/consistent/known.

There’s always a balance, and I do suspect we pay overs to get XOH done, but it makes me pretty uneasy about 2025. We may get a couple of guns in the draft, we may get none, they may take years to come good. We haven’t even played Buss once in two seasons for example.

I think the plan was a Peatling + XOH trade, to do basically exactly as outlined, and we didn’t expect the Crows to outbid us.

Not to say it’s doom and gloom and that you must make X amount of trades and win the trade period etc. But I think some concern about our direction at this point is warranted, even though we revere Sam Power.

The “trade out contributors, hit the draft” approach is a bit nuts when you finish a game outside the top 4, and other sides in the same position are getting aggressive.

Our future list is fairly imbalanced with nearly no young midfielders.

Selling off trade picks, to bring in Houston or Baker or Rioli or Bolton types may or may not make us a better team in the next year or two, but would almost certainly **** our list up for the next 5–10 years meaning we have to continue to try and trade in established stars because we’ve traded out picks in years we needed to use them.

Our list for the now is pretty good. Our performance needs to improve, but the foundation is more than there.

It’s our future years that need addressing. That’s why hitting the draft is important.
 
Our list is fairly imbalanced with nearly no young midfielders.

Selling off trade picks, to bring in Houston or Baker or Rioli or Bolton types may or may not make us a better team in the next year or two, but would almost certainly **** our list up for the next 5–10 years meaning we have to continue to try and trade in established stars because we’ve traded out picks in years we needed to use them.

Our list for the now is pretty good. Our performance needs to improve, but the foundation is more than there.

It’s our future years that need addressing. That’s why hitting the draft is important.
Spot on JUH/Buss/Darcy/Croft/JOD/Naughton all 25 or younger in the midfield bracket we only have Richards/Sanders need to add another 2 into that and the back half of this decade could be very exciting
 
I hear you on speed KH but are we actually that slow? If you compare leg-speed over the field to a team like Brisbane I'm actually not sure we come out drastically slower. We are just constantly handballing to stationary targets, over-committing offensively, and turning the ball over which makes us look way slower.

I don't know, I just feel we've put a lot of effort into getting this squad faster since 2016 and it's not really at any point benefited us.

Yeah mate, I have zero data backing up what I am saying.
Relying on my eye test ( and my eyes are not in exactly mint condition these days I will admit )
So you may well be right.

But it reminds me of the last couple of seasons with Cross.
He was the one link in the chain that stopped any momentum through the corridor.
I believe the club identified the same problem and were happy to move him on.
In the end opposition clubs were more than happy to see Cross with ball in hand, and I got that from someone in footy land.

A lack in kicking penetration, for all 3 of those players, also adversely affects good ball movement.
 
17
F2
25 (Daniel)
32 (Macrae)

Not a bad draft haul it’s looking like.

I’d also try and bring in next years first to try have 4 inside 32 and 2 inside 15-20. Possibly swap for one of Richmond’s this year.

This could be our most promising national draft in a few years.
Still think pick 13 is a chance this year as well 3 picks inside 25 would be nice
 
One star in Treloar one very good player at the end of his career in Jones and few handy players. In the period you have quoted we have lost Dunkley, Lipinski, Stringer, Smith, Macrae, Daniel, Dalhaus, Cordy, Hunter, Sweet from memory. I think like Australia we are in a trade deficit.
If we're comparing post-trade production our "ins" shit all over our "outs". Treloar and Duryea alone cover all those guys.
 
Why are there so many Geelong mouthpieces?

Jon Ralph may as well change his twitter handle to ‘Geelong Football Club’ because they may as well have written that tweet themselves.
Because they are a strong well run club. 🤮🤮 That robs every other club to stay on top with full AFL support as everyone goes to Geelong for the "Lifestyle" on n which I call BS but AFL has zero interest in looking too closely or they might have to admit the system is broken
 

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