List Mgmt. Trade & Draft Discussion 2023 post season - Picks Reid,30,40,49,66 (Bush league)

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[Yeahnahmate]

This pretty much sums it up, yeah I'm now convinced we are having the discussions for this Curtin slide scenario. I remember ROB speaking glowingly about Curtin in a radio interview.

Which interview do you know, because he was pretty measured, I wouldn’t say glowing on Curtin when chatting to the Gettable guys

 

[CountryLad]

How could you forget about Toddy Nesbitt?

I think he’s still devastated about yesterday’s announcement, still taking no phone calls from Dad currently.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

(I did report myself once after too many bourbons too in SFA forum )

 

[ArdentEagle]

Bloody Knob Creek single barrel will do that to you

 

[flyinghi64]

I am a little better the devil you know with this draft.
We know what picks we have ATM this draft, the best, a good and some average.
We know everyone expects us to struggle again next year and finish down the bottom.
We know what players are available this year and what they pretty much offer.
We know our F1 holds great currency.
We know we have been down the bottom, badly for 2 years, and the club and supporters really don'y like it.

If we can move up this draft by using our F1 and even our second this year to get a 5-10 pick, 10-15 pick and a early-mid 2nd rounder this year I would be more than ok with that.
Use the 2021/22/23 drafted players as the nucleus of the next premiership team.

Yes we are at a low point but do we really want to start next season with the mindset we are going to finish bottom 4 and look to the draft, again.
08/09/10 was our three worst consecutive finishes, 15th, 11th,16th.
We are about to smash that if we finish bottom again next year.
I say F-That.

I know it would be a bit of a miracle but I would prefer nail 3 players and a smokey or 2 this draft, finish 9-14th next year but be well and truly ready to attack for finals the following year.

BTW, yes I am an optimist.

 

[DanWCE]

Bloody Knob

Sex life, mate

 

[ArdentEagle]

Sex life, mate

Could have left creek in there too

 

[the harry]

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[stallon]

I get why people are pessimistic about our position next year, but why cant we be better? We werent bottom because our players suck, we were bottom 2 because we were down to the last couple of players on our list for many weeks, with a bunch of our absolute best players missing significant portions of the year.
It wouldnt be silly to expect that to be different next year. If we get Yeo to play 11-15 games, Gov to play 18+, Barrass to play 20+, Darling fit, BJW as another big target down forward, Flynn in the ruck, Ryan back, etc we are straight up not a bottom 2 or 3 team.
Another year into Ginbey, Hewett, Chesser, Maric, etc, we have some depth all of a sudden.

I think trading our F1 in a trade that values the pick at 1 or 2 would be very astute trading.

Worst case we finish bottom 2 again, our 2025 F1 would be valued quite highly again, we could always try to bring that into 2024 for a top 5 pick

 

[eaglesnutcase]

I get where you're coming from but best case scenario, we're still bottom 3.

McKercher is the only talent in this draft worth that risk imo

Without a doubt

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

All due respect but you, the media, myself and nobody else in here will know where the Eagles rate Curtin. We simply guess.

Yep, but what has he shown to be ranked ahead of Reid, Mckercher or Walter? Even Duursma, Watson, Sanders etc have had better seasons. It's no coincidence that he is slipping down draft orders now that we are looking like taking Reid.

We can make an informed guess based on all of this. Again, if he wasn't West Australian and if the victorian media weren't collectively trying to manifest us into not taking Reid then he wouldn't even be considered a remote option by us based on his output and our needs.

 

[eaglesnutcase]

We werent just losing last year though. We were losing big. With a % of 50 (20% less then North) we are starting from a long way back. Can't see us getting out of the bottom 4.

I think it would be a little short sighted to trade our F1 for Curtin. I get that we get an extra year of development into a player but I think our top pick next year will be a better player. Either that or we will get more to split or trade our first pick next year. Clubs are fairly risk averse and won't pay a premium if there is a chance it will blow up in their face. Eagles would have to pay the premium in this scenario.
Curtin is an elite kick and distributor off the half back line but heis midfield capabilities are definitely a question mark and his intercept marking isn't a huge strength either. If we get a good deal with a decently high pick and a swap of F1 then all good, I'm all aboard the Curtin train but not for a straight swap of F1 for Curtin.

The improvement will come from .
A. Better player management from injury point of view.
B. Tougher coaching stance.Pyle won’t tolerate Simmos love for the old boys.
C. I think mentally the players themselves will drive the improvement.A lot of kids have been exposed to match play.
The team lifted at years end as experienced players returned.
Ryan alone will make a difference.
I hope Simmo holds his nerve and doesn’t persist with Sheed/ Gaff type combos.
I think we’ve been down for too long and many WC fans have lost faith but more importantly lost belief!!

 

[Hook461123]

The improvement will come from .
A. Better player management from injury point of view.
B. Tougher coaching stance.Pyle won’t tolerate Simmos love for the old boys.
C. I think mentally the players themselves will drive the improvement.A lot of kids have been exposed to match play.
The team lifted at years end as experienced players returned.
Ryan alone will make a difference.
I hope Simmo holds his nerve and doesn’t persist with Sheed/ Gaff type combos.
I think we’ve been down for too long and many WC fans have lost faith but more importantly lost belief!!

I'm not saying we wont improve. Just not enough to get out of the bottom 4 just yet. We are starting a long way behind. I'm looking forward to seeing some of the improvements you've listed. However you also have to consider that we have lost a big core of our last finals team.
Nic Nat, JK, Shuey, Hurn, Rioli, Redden, Lecras, Sheppard all gone. Plus Gaff, Darling fell off a cliff and Yeo, Gov can't stay on the park. They were all champions of the club.
I'm looking forward to seeing the formation of our next champion team but I don't think that will result in a 8-10 win season. Hopefully I'm wrong but thats what my head tells me rather then my heart.
2025 I expect to see us start to climb with some free agent acquisitions and another couple of high draft picks to go with our young core gaining strength and experiance.

 

[Rowan18]

I get why people are pessimistic about our position next year, but why cant we be better? We werent bottom because our players suck, we were bottom 2 because we were down to the last couple of players on our list for many weeks, with a bunch of our absolute best players missing significant portions of the year.
It wouldnt be silly to expect that to be different next year. If we get Yeo to play 11-15 games, Gov to play 18+, Barrass to play 20+, Darling fit, BJW as another big target down forward, Flynn in the ruck, Ryan back, etc we are straight up not a bottom 2 or 3 team.
Another year into Ginbey, Hewett, Chesser, Maric, etc, we have some depth all of a sudden.

I think trading our F1 in a trade that values the pick at 1 or 2 would be very astute trading.

Worst case we finish bottom 2 again, our 2025 F1 would be valued quite highly again, we could always try to bring that into 2024 for a top 5 pick

Our midfield is the big problem. When fit, our forward line and defence look pretty solid (probably as good as most mid table teams) but our midfield depth is shocking. Kelly, Hunt and Sheed are our only senior players, then we're relying on Ginbey, Hewett, Hough. They're too young to consistently perform. We need another two seasons (ie three pre seasons) to get that young crew strong and experienced enough to should the load.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

The improvement will come from .
A. Better player management from injury point of view.
B. Tougher coaching stance.Pyle won’t tolerate Simmos love for the old boys.
C. I think mentally the players themselves will drive the improvement.A lot of kids have been exposed to match play.
The team lifted at years end as experienced players returned.
Ryan alone will make a difference.
I hope Simmo holds his nerve and doesn’t persist with Sheed/ Gaff type combos.
I think we’ve been down for too long and many WC fans have lost faith but more importantly lost belief!!

Pyke won't tolerate Simmos love for the old boys

Mmmm

One of the biggest criticisms of Pyke as a coach at Adelaide was he refused to play the kids.!

I expect his time at the swans may have opened his eyes up a bit now.

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[CountryLad]

Yep, but what has he shown to be ranked ahead of Reid, Mckercher or Walter? Even Duursma, Watson, Sanders etc have had better seasons. It's no coincidence that he is slipping down draft orders now that we are looking like taking Reid.

We can make an informed guess based on all of this. Again, if he wasn't West Australian and if the victorian media weren't collectively trying to manifest us into not taking Reid then he wouldn't even be considered a remote option by us based on his output and our needs.

Curtin had a very good National Carnival overall and was awarded WA’s best player.

On top of that had some very strong colts games and played pretty well overall at league level and actually his numbers at league level weren’t that far off of those that Harley posted at VFL level.

His last game the Grand final probably wasn’t one of his best and he’s certainly been a little on the nose in these threads since.

I think you are judging him harshly by saying that all of those players are ahead of him.

Rob on the couple of occasions he has been asked by the Vic Media has spoken very highly of the kid.

Reid and Walter are probably in there own tier however I think he sits quite comfortably in the same pool of players that you have mentioned above and could possibly add Read, O’Sullivan and Caddy into that mix.

It’s all just a matter of opinion and like I say we don’t know clubs rankings so don’t be surprised if Curtin does slide but he’s just as capable of getting picked up at pick 2 or 3.

 

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[stallon]

I'm not saying we wont improve. Just not enough to get out of the bottom 4 just yet. We are starting a long way behind. I'm looking forward to seeing some of the improvements you've listed. However you also have to consider that we have lost a big core of our last finals team.
Nic Nat, JK, Shuey, Hurn, Rioli, Redden, Lecras, Sheppard all gone. Plus Gaff, Darling fell off a cliff and Yeo, Gov can't stay on the park. They were all champions of the club.
I'm looking forward to seeing the formation of our next champion team but I don't think that will result in a 8-10 win season. Hopefully I'm wrong but thats what my head tells me rather then my heart.
2025 I expect to see us start to climb with some free agent acquisitions and another couple of high draft picks to go with our young core gaining strength and experiance.

JK = Allen, Yeo can play a Hurn role, we have Long/Brockman to play the Rioli/Lecras role, Hough can play like Sheppard. Gov has shown he is still elite when on the park, his injuries this year I dont think will ruin him next year. The new guys arent as good but they dont have to be yet.

You are comparing our 2018 premiership team to a team we are talking about potentially breaking out of the bottom 2/4, they dont have to be elite.

 

[eagles rule]

I`m waiting for the JTR catchphrase to reach the Media ..

 

[stallon]

Our midfield is the big problem. When fit, our forward line and defence look pretty solid (probably as good as most mid table teams) but our midfield depth is shocking. Kelly, Hunt and Sheed are our only senior players, then we're relying on Ginbey, Hewett, Hough. They're too young to consistently perform. We need another two seasons (ie three pre seasons) to get that young crew strong and experienced enough to should the load.

Im not saying our midfield will be as good as middle teams, but I do rate our defence as better than the middle teams, and our forward line is just as good. Any improvement in the midfield will hold us in good stead, if they can not lose the clearances so easily we wont get smashed every second week.

If I had any say at all in the lineup, id put Duggan as a pure midfielder for the preseason, and make him a 60% CBA guy next year. He, along with Kelly, and bits of Sheed/Yeo with the young guys around them should be at least somewhat competent.

 

[eagles rule]

Nth could still easily take him at pick 2 or 3.

FWIW I think North will pair up Mckercher and Sanders with Picks 2 + 3 ..

Big call so remember you heard it here first ..

 

[Hook461123]

JK = Allen, Yeo can play a Hurn role, we have Long/Brockman to play the Rioli/Lecras role, Hough can play like Sheppard. Gov has shown he is still elite when on the park, his injuries this year I dont think will ruin him next year. The new guys arent as good but they dont have to be yet.

You are comparing our 2018 premiership team to a team we are talking about potentially breaking out of the bottom 2/4, they dont have to be elite.

What about our midfield though? We were so far behind in stoppages, clearances and contested posessions that I don't see us having the midfield to compete next year. We would need prime Yeo, 2018 finals series Sheed, Hewett building elite endurance in a preseason, Reid being the mesiah and Ginbey learning to hunt the ball first, even to be a chance to win 8-10 games. Sure if that all happens we may win enough to move out of the bottom 4.

BTW I wasn't comparing them. I was saying that with all the champions we have lost in the last couple of seasons it was inevitable we hit the bottom and have to rebuild. As I said I expect us to climb in 2025 just don't think we are ready yet.

I don't like talking us down and maybe I'm a little pessimistic after the dissapointment of the last two seasons but I think it is unreasonable to expect us to climb too much next season. Remember people were saying the same things at the start of last season.

 

[eaglesnutcase]

Im not saying our midfield will be as good as middle teams, but I do rate our defence as better than the middle teams, and our forward line is just as good. Any improvement in the midfield will hold us in good stead, if they can not lose the clearances so easily we wont get smashed every second week.

If I had any say at all in the lineup, id put Duggan as a pure midfielder for the preseason, and make him a 60% CBA guy next year. He, along with Kelly, and bits of Sheed/Yeo with the young guys around them should be at least somewhat competent.

I actually think our defence is our weak point going further.Our forward line of OA,BW,Ryan,Long,Cripps,Brockman,Maric,Cully and Waterman is up there with the better ones.
Big load on Flynn’s shoulders. If he can hold his own and give us a second effort then our mids of TK, Ginbey,Hewitt,Reid and Sheed with the odd YO cameo look quite respectable.
Reid in the guts occasionally means Gibney doesn’t need to carry the bullocking on his own.
Where does Burgiel fit in all this?

 

[NYJetsfor2029]

I don't like talking us down and maybe I'm a little pessimistic after the dissapointment of the last two seasons but I think it is unreasonable to expect us to climb too much next season. Remember people were saying the same things at the start of last season.

And it was going quite well for two and a half games before that Freo captain sat his fat arse on Cripps's ankle and then hammys started popping all over the place..

 

[Schtinker]

Lets be certain, Just Take Curtin.