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I would take Anderson before Jetta too. He has time to grow with us. If we get Jetta in a good deal though, I won't be upset

To those who are worrying about our premiership window. Realistically it should be open for the next 3 years minimum due to the age of our list. No need to do a North and top up with players just because our premiership window is open. Identify the weaknesses and fix them. Whether that is through trade, drafting or development is neither here nor there.

Port said the same thing last year.

Can't just rest on your laurels.
 

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I'd rather we match the offer so that we keep Scooter (as the compensation we get won't be worth losing him) OR leave the onus on Geelong to come up with a suitable trade
 
Don't forget futures trading as well which means we may use a 2nd/3rd rounder from next year in addition to this year's picks (I'm trying to avoid using more than one first rounder if possible).
 
People complained about Duggan.

Hibberd is a great kick, good size, runs well, think KK. Could be undervalued due to his last couple of years with injury.

I was happy with Duggan being picked. Some of the over-reactions in the draft thread were quite funny, but I get teh question marks that came with a younger player like him.

Hibberd seems less skillful than both of those two you mentioned. Likewise, both were able to plug important gap in a senior side straight away. Looks to be a good pickup for someone but doubt it'll be us as he wouldn't fill any immediate gaps. Wouldn't be unhappy if we picked him up with a pick in the 20s, he's certainly versatile enough that he might be useful in the next couple of years. But surely better available?
 
But he is ready made isn't he? He is not some skinny kid.

We can make clear upgrades.

Jetta replaces Rosa. Better pace and skills. Balances Gaff on the other wing while being an offensive threat that can draw a tag and lower the pressure on Gaff and Shuey.

Redden replaces Masten. Masten still has no set role in this team despite being 26 (27 for next season). Redden's role is clear. Big bodied mid who wins clearances (taking more pressure off our outside runners) and is 2 years younger then Masten.

Duggan is for Hutchings. Duggan is a similar size but has much better skills and decision making and is 5 years younger.

You won't find any equivalents in the draft that will do this within the next 2-3 years. All three changes make our midfield better AND younger.
A lot wrong with your post.

Firstly, Redden will replace a midfield rotation, likely Hutchings. Masten will probably be persisted with, for better or worse.

TBH, if I had to choose between Redden or Duggan playing and draftee, I would choose Duggan. Worried we could loose him to WBD, if he doesn't get game time.

Is Jetta better than Rosa? Jetta is miserable in big games, whereas Rosa has been surprisingly good from time to time. Regardless, would Duggan take Rosa's spot if it was up for grabs and a draftee or Nelson, come in off the flank?

Your last point is absurd and impossible to predict.

I am not averse to getting Jetta or Redden, but I am fine if we don't. Likewise Anderson. Jetta is a big risk, especially if he costs a first round pick or Sinclair/Lycett.
 
500K would be band 2. 450k would be band 3.

Rumors suggest its more 450k.

Yeah, 4 years as well and his young age im hoping pushes it back into band #2. Regardless if it's band 3 we match and hopefully do a deal for there second.

Looking at all these players available is great but I would love for the club to be going hard for some of the second rounders from clubs like Geelong and Sydney. Tipping them to fall next year, we might end up with a really strong draft position next year if we do that.
 
I was happy with Duggan being picked. Some of the over-reactions in the draft thread were quite funny, but I get teh question marks that came with a younger player like him.

Hibberd seems less skillful than both of those two you mentioned. Likewise, both were able to plug important gap in a senior side straight away. Looks to be a good pickup for someone but doubt it'll be us as he wouldn't fill any immediate gaps. Wouldn't be unhappy if we picked him up with a pick in the 20s, he's certainly versatile enough that he might be useful in the next couple of years. But surely better available?
Does he?

From the small amount he has played, appears to have excellent skills and came top of the kicking test.
 

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A lot wrong with your post.

Firstly, Redden will replace a midfield rotation, likely Hutchings. Masten will probably be persisted with, for better or worse.

TBH, if I had to choose between Redden or Duggan playing and draftee, I would choose Duggan. Worried we could loose him to WBD, if he doesn't get game time.

Is Jetta better than Rosa? Jetta is miserable in big games, whereas Rosa has been surprisingly good from time to time. Regardless, would Duggan take Rosa's spot if it was up for grabs and a draftee or Nelson, come in off the flank?

Your last point is absurd and impossible to predict.

I am not averse to getting Jetta or Redden, but I am fine if we don't. Likewise Anderson. Jetta is a big risk, especially if he costs a first round pick or Sinclair/Lycett.

Are you serious?

Duggan does not have the tank to replace Rosa. He had trouble running out games this year (due to his young age). He didn't replace him this year and that won't change next year. So that's completely wrong.

Jetta is way ahead of Rosa. In Jetta's so called 'worst year' (this year) he has got Rosa beat in goals, inside 50s and bounces (ie running with the ball). Offensively he is miles ahead and even on defense he has more tackles and rebound 50s. Finally Jetta can push forward and back neither of which Rosa can do.

All while being 2 years younger.

Even you don't rate Masten yet you still expect him to get games. I don't know what the match committee will do (no one does) but for me a 26 yo vanilla mid with no set role or distinguishing skills is expendable.

The only thing Rosa and Masten have going for them is their stamina. They don't have pace, size or skill hence why they still don't have set roles in the team. Hutchings is headed the same way.
 
Would we consider trading Lamb back home?
Why would we ?

God I hope our recruiting staff aren't willing to throw away our future talent for b grade - albeit ready made - talent

Agree with the people who say we need to stay relevant in the draft. Hopefully can be done with Selwood compo and potentially sinkers leaving.
 
Redden's name being thrown around to help assist the Bell trade. We probably wont get him now?
So

Redden would be handy but it isn't the end of the world if we miss out on him, especially when you factor in what we would need to trade st satisfy Brisbane in a trade for a contracted player

Make no mistake Brisbane have shown with their attitude to aish that they're going to be campaigners this trade period. Redden is going to be a costly acquisition

I'm not going to lose sleep if we miss out on him
 
Honestly not that excited by Redden, seems to rack them up but doesn't look to be especially skillful. Not sure what he's worth what Brisbane will be chasing.

Like the look of Anderson, although I haven't seen much of him. Would he and Jetta be too similar? Anderson looks to be harder at the contest.
 
Where did I say we should rest on our laurels?

Ports window is still well and truly open.

You seem to take it for granted that our window will be open for at least the next 3 years simply based on the age of our list. The only way our window stays open next year if we work at it.

To me drafting bottom age is pointless since any kid we draft wont be having a major impact until our window is closing. That's assuming they even pan out.

Jetta and Redden would actually be replacing players that are older then them while being better at the same time.
 
Are you serious?

Duggan does not have the tank to replace Rosa. He had trouble running out games this year (due to his young age). He didn't replace him this year and that won't change next year. So that's completely wrong.

Jetta is way ahead of Rosa. In Jetta's so called 'worst year' (this year) he has got Rosa beat in goals, inside 50s and bounces (ie running with the ball). Offensively he is miles ahead and even on defense he has more tackles and rebound 50s. Finally Jetta can push forward and back neither of which Rosa can do.

All while being 2 years younger.

Even you don't rate Masten yet you still expect him to get games. I don't know what the match committee will do (no one does) but for me a 26 yo vanilla mid with no set role or distinguishing skills is expendable.

The only thing Rosa and Masten have going for them is their stamina. They don't have pace, size or skill hence why they still don't have set roles in the team. Hutchings is headed the same way.
He will get games. Period. Your biases not withstanding.

Jetta would also be played ahead of Rosa, I never argued otherwise, but the improvement he offers is not worth our first pick or the loss of a ruck.

That is what we are balancing. Jetta in for a player like Rosa, means a pick out, or a ruck out. He is also a player that folds under pressure. Will he help us in finals, or be a liability in big games?

BTW, you should be more careful when making comparisons. This was Jetta's best year statistically bar maybe 2012. Rosa was played as both sub and worked through injury. Regardless, I don't think Rosa is the better player, but he can plug defensive gaps and has stood up when challenged on occasion. If he is replaced by a better player that is fine, but only at a reasonable cost.

Lastly, you seem to have this mindset that players are of fixed ability. Even coming back from injury Duggan will improve his endurance and by mid season, I wouldn't be surprised if he is played ahead of Rosa or Hutchings.
 

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