List Mgmt. Trade & F/A - 2018/2019 - Part 2!

[Unknown Identity]

This doesn't mean we were happy for Langdon to leave. It could just mean that we didn't know what our upper most offer could be until other issues were finalised. Once again we don't know.

There was enough doubt there for Langdon to proactively shop himself around to 17 other clubs.

 

[Sh0rty13]

What is everyone’s thoughts on the Tim Kelly issue? This is what I personally hate about free agency and clubs having no power. Geelong lose all value as he declares he wants to go home, no other team gave him a shot he’s 26 now never was plays one year with Geelong who was the only team to give him a chance and he repays them by wanting to leave after a year and now Geelong lose bargaining power due to him wanting to leave

Signed a 2 year contract. Will get a 1st round pick back (probably pick 20ish)

I would be stitching west west coast up for the 1st round compo pick + Gold coast's 2nd round pick as well.

 

[Vicky Park]

If the $ and length of contract offered to Lynch by Richmond are true, then surely they have overpaid?

The frenzy of the trade period - when what seems like ridiculous sums are being touted for some average players - is frightening. A kind of AFL-wide delusion takes hold; it’s a scramble to not miss out! Look at Adelaide’s trades at the end of 2017. I recall they were going to be ‘unbeatable’ in 2018.

I hope we don’t get sucked in to some of this. And keep Moore and Langdon.

 

[ThePhantom777]

What is everyone’s thoughts on the Tim Kelly issue? This is what I personally hate about free agency and clubs having no power. Geelong lose all value as he declares he wants to go home, no other team gave him a shot he’s 26 now never was plays one year with Geelong who was the only team to give him a chance and he repays them by wanting to leave after a year and now Geelong lose bargaining power due to him wanting to leave

It's understanding the modern AFL, it's a national competition and players may want to move back to their home State.

Apparently he's happy but the missus isn't. If you're married or in a relationship you'd know it's not fun if your partner is unhappy. Geelong need to make the best of the situation. They were the beneficiary of Dangerfield wanting to come home with his missus last year.

We better cross fingers and toes that Grundy doesn't want to leave back to Adelaide! Get his brother in the draft I reckon, make him happy.

Think about Brisbane losing all those players a few years back, Yeo etc

 

[jackcass]

The club didn't offer anything to Langdon because he was seen as a potential casualty should we land Lynch or May.

Or maybe they weren't sure how much they could offer Langdon and who else might need to be sacrificed (Goldsack? Broomhead? or just the Oxley, Blair, Smith types) to free up the required funding, preferring instead to wait until they actually knew. Lucas said they hadn't put an offer, that in and of itself doesn't mean they weren't in discussions or were willing to let him go.

 

[ThePhantom777]

Clubs are wising up to free agency, if the player looks like leaving they are trading them a year earlier to get true trade value.

 

[ash84]

I’m not a huge Sam McClure fan but the idea of Jordan’s roughead playing as a defender and not a ruckman I don’t mind especially if he costs very little

 

[Baltimore Jack]

So did Port last year. There are no points for who gets the most trades done.

...and Essendon who also performed well below their own expectations with the additions they made.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

And how do you know that?

Because I listened to Langdon's manager be interviewed yesterday. Stop being so obtuse and try and educate yourself.

 

[jimmy35]

If the $ and length of contract offered to Lynch by Richmond are true, then surely they have overpaid?

The frenzy of the trade period - when what seems like ridiculous sums are being touted for some average players - is frightening. A kind of AFL-wide delusion takes hold; it’s a scramble to not miss out! Look at Adelaide’s trades at the end of 2017. I recall they were going to be ‘unbeatable’ in 2018.

I hope we don’t get sucked in to some of this. And keep Moore and Langdon.

The money is understandable but the 7 year contract is a huge worry imo.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

If the $ and length of contract offered to Lynch by Richmond are true, then surely they have overpaid?

The frenzy of the trade period - when what seems like ridiculous sums are being touted for some average players - is frightening. A kind of AFL-wide delusion takes hold; it’s a scramble to not miss out! Look at Adelaide’s trades at the end of 2017. I recall they were going to be ‘unbeatable’ in 2018.

I hope we don’t get sucked in to some of this. And keep Moore and Langdon.

The Age and others reporting $6.3M over 7 years
Seems legit, and I agree that is a huge commitment, doubt our offer was anything near that

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

...and Essendon who also performed well below their own expectations with the additions they made.

Mark Neeld was the circuit breaker there though. Their recruits weren't fizzers like Port's. Two of them finished in the top ten of the BnF.

 

[PIEWITHSAUCE]

I was semi-keen on Lynch more in terms of what it could do in terms of freeing up Mihocek and Moore for defense, but a guy with existing knee issues contracted through til he's about to turn 33yo? They can have him.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

The Age and others reporting $6.3M over 7 years
Seems legit, and I agree that is a huge commitment, doubt our offer was anything near that

I doubt our offer was seven years but I was under the assumption we offered over a million.

 

[Scodog10]

Love your idea, but surely the lay-up dichotomy would have been Russell Wilson or Jamarcus Russell?

I toyed with it, but like so many QB’s these days once off their rookie contracts Wilson is no longer it and a bit.

Of the walk up HOFers (Big Ben, Brady and Brees) Rodgers was the one I felt is most comfortable out of the pocket. Not wedded to it!

FWIW Vick and Newton were the others I had in mind.

To be fair the trade period hasn't started yet. And we also had as part of our review to "Fix the TPP" just last year did we not? He may be starting with his hands tied.

I tend to view it differently that all of his work is done in the lead up to trade week. Everything else takes care of itself unless you’re Hine. Absolutely something could drop between now and Monday, but by then every player that will impact a club’s best 22 immediately will have announced they’re out so it’s getting late in the game for him to make a splash.

TPP is already fixed with Goldsack, Langdon and Greenwood unsigned. The choice here is to keep one, two or all three or make sacrifices to bring in a best 22 type.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Mark Neeld was the circuit breaker there though. Their recruits weren't fizzers like Port's. Two of them finished in the top ten of the BnF.

Yep agree on all that, but the point being made is that it didn't help them to finish in the finals and it is possible to apply the same logic to North bringing in the same level of trades
Not saying it won't help them later on but it doesn't appear to be a instant hit

 

[ash84]

I doubt our offer was seven years but I was under the assumption we offered over a million.

I can’t see how we had a million for lynch but people say we haven’t got money to keep Moore and Langdon and bring in May?

 

[didaksrightfoot]

What is everyone’s thoughts on the Tim Kelly issue? This is what I personally hate about free agency and clubs having no power. Geelong lose all value as he declares he wants to go home, no other team gave him a shot he’s 26 now never was plays one year with Geelong who was the only team to give him a chance and he repays them by wanting to leave after a year and now Geelong lose bargaining power due to him wanting to leave

It's understanding the modern AFL, it's a national competition and players may want to move back to their home State.

Apparently he's happy but the missus isn't. If you're married or in a relationship you'd know it's not fun if your partner is unhappy. Geelong need to make the best of the situation. They were the beneficiary of Dangerfield wanting to come home with his missus last year.

We better cross fingers and toes that Grundy doesn't want to leave back to Adelaide! Get his brother in the draft I reckon, make him happy.

Think about Brisbane losing all those players a few years back, Yeo etc

1. Tim Kelly isn't a free agent. He is out of contract, but as long as Geelong don't delist him (which they won't) a trade still needs to be arranged, otherwise he goes to the draft again. For the most part, team's are able to arrange somewhat reasonable trades in these situation, and I can't think of a player being sent to the draft since Free Agency began (was Luke Ball the last one? which is what changed the whole system). I would expect that it would take more than West Coasts 1st rounder to get it done. But a lot of that depends on teams working together - we have seen times where that doesn't happen.
But there is clearly a question to be raised about giving clubs more power in trade - and this will keep getting raised until a change is made.

2. What I heard on the radio over here (WA) is that they have a young child and very little (/no?) family support in Victoria, which seems to have been the main driving factor for the move back.

 

[Stripes B and W]

Or maybe they weren't sure how much they could offer Langdon and who else might need to be sacrificed (Goldsack? Broomhead? or just the Oxley, Blair, Smith types) to free up the required funding, preferring instead to wait until they actually knew. Lucas said they hadn't put an offer, that in and of itself doesn't mean they weren't in discussions or were willing to let him go.

Yes i agree re knowing how much Tom could be offered but the other significant factor is the fate of Murray. The club will know what they are going to do in the event of a lengthy ban, but of course they cannot actually do anything until B sample result and subsequent penalty becomes fact. You would guess he was on approx 300K, would be a factor in Toms contract offer and Goldy/Broomheads future.

 

[jimmy35]

I’ve got no doubt our monetary offer would’ve been around the mark but 7 years? Wowee that’s a risk.

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

Lynch will be 33 at the end of that contract, oh boy.

And probably playing in their VFL side...

 

[Justlokan]

So did Port last year. There are no points for who gets the most trades done.

Correct - last year's trade period was regarded as a poor one for us. Using that logic, let's hope we do absolutely nothing in this trade period.

the NFL is a good example of the importance of focusing on the draft and cheap cast-offs to build your list

 

[didaksrightfoot]

I can’t see how we had a million for lynch but people say we haven’t got money to keep Moore and Langdon and bring in May?

Yeah I doubt its about not having the money - though might be about not wanting to meet GC's trade demands, or not wanting to reach too high on our contract offer - especially if we think Melbourne are overpaying him. If thats the case - then it may well be good business. (But who know what the actual figures are?)

 

[Countrypie]

What is everyone’s thoughts on the Tim Kelly issue? This is what I personally hate about free agency and clubs having no power. Geelong lose all value as he declares he wants to go home, no other team gave him a shot he’s 26 now never was plays one year with Geelong who was the only team to give him a chance and he repays them by wanting to leave after a year and now Geelong lose bargaining power due to him wanting to leave

I agree with you in a sense because its a failing of the system but tbh the whole system sucks. Players have been treated like cattle for years. Now as players get their heads around things the system is coming back to bite the clubs. At some point t will bite Collingwood. At some point it will benefit them. If it were up to me I'd make it a free market. Stuff the draft. Stuff zoning. Let the best recruiting team win. The league s creating an artificial competition. It wants contrived outcomes (Melbourne GWS to win flags Gold Coast to be successful) It cares little about the players. All power to the players.

 

[dansa]

There was enough doubt there for Langdon to proactively shop himself around to 17 other clubs.

You don't even know that for sure.

Every players manager is putting out feelers and listening to offers as standard practice, even if it's just to strengthen their negotiating position.

Secondly, just because a player manager says something on trade radio doesn't make it accurate or true. They use the media to create leverage for their client or frame the discussion in a way that best represents their client. If we were to hear Collingwood's version of events ( and we never will) it may be quite different.

I'm not saying I know what goes on. My point is that neither do you or anyone else.

We are all just making judgements based on gossip, half truths and spin.

I have complete trust the club will make the right decisions based on our need for the player, cost to our TPP and playing group and the inside knowledge of knowing what other deals are in the pipeline for 2019 - 2020.