List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 2

[scarecrow2k1]

remove compo. It’s supposed to be “free” agency. They really should be calling it something else while there’s compo picks

I'm almost with you. Again, the clubs do get 8-10 years out of that player, and then they've not been able to retain them. They also then get the win of freeing up the salary to go after someone else, so they don't also need high level picks.

I do like the idea of really low level compensation though. The NFL does similar, giving teams picks in rounds 3-7, and they also delay it a year to make sure they are weighting them correctly. I like the idea of something between that and what the AFL has now. Say a team like GWS- they're on the cusp of contending or going backwards. They could face quite a few players leaving and thrust them right to the bottom. They've then got to fill a lot of list spots- however many they planned to as well as a few extra due to free agents. If there's no compo, all those extra spots would be taken by guys right at the end of the draft, or rookies. By giving compensation (2nd round for Cameron/Williams, perhaps 3rd or 4th rounders for other players) it gives the Giants a chance to get some talent at a reasonable level, rather than filling their list with battlers and delaying a return to the top.

I'd also like the removal of restricted free agency, while we're at it. Other comps around the world face their players entering free agency a lot earlier than 8 years. So the AFL have an 8 year window to retain the player, or trade them if needed. Then after that 8 years is up, they still have them by the balls for another 2. Situations like Tim Kelly

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4.0

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19.9

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21.6

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10.4

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(I realise he wasn't an RFA) made me sick. Players deserve that freedom to go to the city they want, or leave a bad environment. Waiting up to 10 years just isn't right. I'd love to see unrestricted at 6 years, but realise that's probably too much for most.

So while I'm revamping the AFL's free agency, let's go for.
RFA at 6 years
Unrestricted at 8 years
Compo bands greatly reduced, from 2nd to 6th rounders
Clubs can trade players at will in their first six years, as long as lower income players are protected from interstate moves.

AFL kind of makes up the compo on the run a lot of the time. I wouldn't be shocked if they got pick 2 as compo.

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100%- I believe last year we were due to get more for Ellis but they moved us down a band (I could be wrong with that though).

 

[Chunky09]

Higgins>>>Dunstan>>>Brander.

Yes I agree with this. But feel brander is more of a need for us.
Higgins will struggle to get into the forward line or midfield with its depth already and kids coming through in both areas.
As for dunstan, don’t want him, very average footballer.
Brander hasn’t shown much but has a lot of potential, moves well for his size and could play either back or forward, maybe even possibly on a wing.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

aints think we are an easy root

They're lucky we're still pissed during Trade Month.
Otherwise you would touch'em.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Like you said though, he is currently contracted. So, we have leverage.
I'm trying to be as unbiased as possible here, but if we put to St Kilda, a side who is legitimately contending for Flags soon, the following:
Richmond gives: Higgins and Pick 32
St Kilda gives: Pick 15

If I'm St Kilda, I want players who make an immediate impact, not someone who will only make a meaningful impact in two years or so.
We would prefer the kid at pick 15, as it moulds well with our sustained success model.

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Problem with that is it all hinges on the crouch deal.Fa or trade.If trade i can see pick 15 going to the crows.

 

[Roksman]

Anyone mentioning Brander has clearly never watched him and are holding onto his Draft hype from 3-4 years ago.

He is a failed KPP and has been moved onto the wing where he was very mediocre.

Wouldn't get close to our best 22.

 

[scarecrow2k1]

Like you said though, he is currently contracted. So, we have leverage.
I'm trying to be as unbiased as possible here, but if we put to St Kilda, a side who is legitimately contending for Flags soon, the following:
Richmond gives: Higgins and Pick 32
St Kilda gives: Pick 15

If I'm St Kilda, I want players who make an immediate impact, not someone who will only make a meaningful impact in two years or so.
We would prefer the kid at pick 15, as it moulds well with our sustained success model.

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Per the AFL's points system, we're getting the value of Pick 35 there, which isn't great. Granted, that system undervalues higher picks, but I feel we still loose out a little.
At the same time, I can understand why a team wouldn't want to pay a high price for a player with some question marks.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

We use to be sluts now we are the queen bee!

 

[Sir_Loin]

Would suit our game plan. Leads the way at North for tackling and pressure.

I think they'll pay him a lot more than we could though.

We are closer to a flag though. They’re in danger of folding. I’d talk to his manager and say he’ll play when fitness and form permits this is what we can offer. Come with me if you want to live etc

 

[OhDustinMartin]

Does anyone reckon shorty could play midfield and put markov in his spot ?

would take away his elite kicking and speed. you want him with as much uncontested ball as possible.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

This is in no way anything against Aarts but he is four and a half years older than Higgo, we’re also really only go off one season of playing senior AFL football.

I feel a little guilty typing this because I don’t want to take anything away from Aarts, he was fantastic for us this season and played some really good football when many other players were struggling.

However, I believe Higgins has the potential to continue to develop and improve. Aarts may not have that same scope of room for development.

Agree with Aarts.Great bloke but i think his ceiling has already been reached.Plays very much vflish.Just that fraction of a sec slower in reaction time.Skill wise Higgo has it over Aarts.But the telling point for me is higgo looks slower than Aarts.

 

[VB_longneck]

edmund just said higgo will not be at rfc next year

 

[TJTIGER]

Pt2.....the story continues...

 

[Sir_Loin]

I'm almost with you. Again, the clubs do get 8-10 years out of that player, and then they've not been able to retain them. They also then get the win of freeing up the salary to go after someone else, so they don't also need high level picks.

I do like the idea of really low level compensation though. The NFL does similar, giving teams picks in rounds 3-7, and they also delay it a year to make sure they are weighting them correctly. I like the idea of something between that and what the AFL has now. Say a team like GWS- they're on the cusp of contending or going backwards. They could face quite a few players leaving and thrust them right to the bottom. They've then got to fill a lot of list spots- however many they planned to as well as a few extra due to free agents. If there's no compo, all those extra spots would be taken by guys right at the end of the draft, or rookies. By giving compensation (2nd round for Cameron/Williams, perhaps 3rd or 4th rounders for other players) it gives the Giants a chance to get some talent at a reasonable level, rather than filling their list with battlers and delaying a return to the top.

I'd also like the removal of restricted free agency, while we're at it. Other comps around the world face their players entering free agency a lot earlier than 8 years. So the AFL have an 8 year window to retain the player, or trade them if needed. Then after that 8 years is up, they still have them by the balls for another 2. Situations like Tim Kelly

11

Tim Kelly

Age

30

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.6

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

10.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

4.9

5star

D

19.9

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.6

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.7

5star

CL

3.6

4star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.2

5star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

3.8

5star

(I realise he wasn't an RFA) made me sick. Players deserve that freedom to go to the city they want, or leave a bad environment. Waiting up to 10 years just isn't right. I'd love to see unrestricted at 6 years, but realise that's probably too much for most.

So while I'm revamping the AFL's free agency, let's go for.
RFA at 6 years
Unrestricted at 8 years
Compo bands greatly reduced, from 2nd to 6th rounders
Clubs can trade players at will in their first six years, as long as lower income players are protected from interstate moves.


100%- I believe last year we were due to get more for Ellis but they moved us down a band (I could be wrong with that though).

not sure. I don’t like interventionist policies when the whole idea is for the market to sort it out. comp has so many equalisation measures in place including handicapping. Maybe if the comp had fewer teams we could have a better model. I mean how do you weight the concessions GWS had initially vs now when they lose a few to FA? Should you reward a club at both ends if they don’t get it right? Where’s the moral hazard?

AFL are control freaks.

 

[prodigy]

edmund just said higgo will not be at rfc next year

He is normally very reliable, so that's pretty big.

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[Tiger_Of_Old]

I feel like this could be a blanket statement for anything that happens during the off season.

I think he's trying to mock somebody.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

I wonder if we should ask Dangerfield if he would like to play for Richmond just so he can get a premiership 'Just for the fairytale'

 

[M0557]

i can't get over the treatment of treloar.

buys wholly into the club, embarks on a really admirable campaign to address his own mental health and hopes to aid the wider afl community, plays his guts out, terrible hammy injuries but works back, good leadership capabillities....

and they're booting him out like he's done a fevola and keeping jordan de goey.

it just beggars belief.

Watch the Victorian teams swarm all over him sensing a cheap get with Gold Coast apparently stating they won't be pursuing Treloar given Collingwood's exaggerated demands...... Treloar in limbo, but untenable to stay at the Holden Centre, Tiger&1 was right, murmurs that the Pie's cap is set to burst, hence the incoming fire sale......
I guess a watch and see, imagine the melts if Richmond dangled a branch.......

Cue Popcorn

 

[DontArgue4]

Suns pulled out of Treloar chase

Not many options for him

 

[JackGraham]

Are we a destination club yet?

 

[Yappie dribbles]

Higgo to saints pretty much done

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Turner is quality - but I suspect bad news is on the way for him.

Highly doubt it.

 

[scarecrow2k1]

not sure. I don’t like interventionist policies when the whole idea is for the market to sort it out. comp has so many equalisation measures in place including handicapping. Maybe if the comp had fewer teams we could have a better model. I mean how do you weight the concessions GWS had initially vs now when they lose a few to FA? Should you reward a club at both ends if they don’t get it right? Where’s the moral hazard?

AFL are control freaks.

Yeah I certainly agree with a lot of what you're saying. I think it's okay to have these 'interventionist' policies if you place some clear rules around it. If we're going to liken it to having the market sort it out, without getting too political/economical, we'd probably see something similar to capitalist results, with it benefiting the rich and successful, so I do think some measures are needed to protect others.

Having said that, I think the measures at the moment are weighted far too much in favour of compensating, and I also agree that the AFL try to control too much. They rarely think through what that control will look like,and then constantly change things and get them wrong. From score review failings, the sub rule to free agency not working as expected. They need to take a bigger picture look at things. As it relates to free agency, I think that means making rules really clear and transparent so everyone knows what to expect.

 

[Karp3_dm]

SEN commentating about collingwoods salary cap **** up like it’s world war 3..

“What is going on in magpie land?Imploding and getting worse by the day!!“ Sam Edmund

this is so beautiful!

 

[Ancient Tiger]

Are we a destination club yet?

Only if we win a premiership......

 

[M0557]

Adelaide just confirmed if the compensation for Brad Crouch

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Brad Crouch

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30

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186cm

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86kg

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26.1

5star

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12.1

4star

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14.0

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

5.5

5star

CL

5.0

5star

D

20.3

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

9.1

5star

M

1.5

2star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.0

4star

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11.6

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

4.2

5star

CL

2.6

5star

doesn't get them pick 2, they will match and force a trade.
Tasty.

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Didn't know Brad Crouch

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Brad Crouch

Age

30

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

26.1

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

5.5

5star

CL

5.0

5star

D

20.3

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

9.1

5star

M

1.5

2star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

11.6

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

4.2

5star

CL

2.6

5star

's last name was Martin.

Pick 2?