List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 3

[Bojangles17]

Instead of going after a player like Talia, the club needs to focus on finding the right person. They are out there - Port only picked up Allir Allir last pre-season for a 2nd rounder. We need to take a smiliar approach and "find our guy" that has yet to blossom into an A grader and get him in.

Allir Allir was an insanely good move by Port, they nailed it. If we had made that move last year ourselves I think we would still have an open window, a intercept key defender for us is almost our biggest need imo

Yea I’ve always rated him highly , he was a salary dump though meaning he would have been >500 . We won’t have that spare for a kpd after addressing midfield needs , Talia will be chips while a Kpd draftee is developed at vfl

 

[Bojangles17]

I have always been a big fan of Wallis but not sure he is really what we are wanting at this point. Kinda Caddy 2.0 - I think the cliff both their careers fell off are more to do with changes in the style of the league don't know if that type of forward is still useful.

Dunstan I have barely watched play this year , but looking at his numbers i could be talked into. I am relying on more keen watchers to give a honest feedback on him using "the eye test". Numbers wise though.... 26 years old - been a ball magnet his whole career with consistent linear improvement year to year. Looks to be having a career year after the Saints prematurely washed their hands of him. Might not cost a fortune as I dare say he would leave them as a "F-U" for the same, if not less money - to come to Richmond, a top club etc. Getting Dunstan and keeping our swag of picks is very appealing, minimal risk except for what will likely be a team friendly contract

I agree Wallis doesnt excite me at all, I reckon his midfield days are very much numbered leaving him as a FP , 30yo,,,yea na for me , reckon there’ll be much better options ,,,,Dunstan would be a good get for a low price

 

[Bojangles17]

I'm really warming to the idea of Wallis.

Low risk at the money and contract length it'll take to get it done, high potential reward. He'd be getting a gig in a lot of midfields, genuine inside ball-winner who is not far off the top bracket, plenty of endurance, dangerous forward.

Best of all, to my thinking, he'll be absolutely hungry to stick it up Bevo for putting him through every players' nightmare. I can really see him putting in a massive pre-season and playing like a man possessed next year.

There's few more potent weapons on a football field than a talented, mature bodied player with the right mindset (which I believe Wallis does have in spades) who has got a massive point to prove.

You’re forgetting he’s 30yo next year, only guns continue to shine post 30, I’d stop short of putting him in that category , pretty good player at his peak sums him up

 

[Tiger08]

So torn on what to do.. part says don't top up like Hawks did with Mitchell and O'Meara.. other says when they did that they didn't still have the best player in the league (i still think Dusty is if he can get his body right and he ain't that old).

Need some energy and enthusiam to start hunting teams again.. but draftees take 5-7 years before you can rely on them. The dilemma!!??

If only we'd won 3 recent flags so this didnt bother me too much..

 

[Growapair]

I have always been a big fan of Wallis but not sure he is really what we are wanting at this point. Kinda Caddy 2.0 - I think the cliff both their careers fell off are more to do with changes in the style of the league don't know if that type of forward is still useful.

Dunstan I have barely watched play this year , but looking at his numbers i could be talked into. I am relying on more keen watchers to give a honest feedback on him using "the eye test". Numbers wise though.... 26 years old - been a ball magnet his whole career with consistent linear improvement year to year. Looks to be having a career year after the Saints prematurely washed their hands of him. Might not cost a fortune as I dare say he would leave them as a "F-U" for the same, if not less money - to come to Richmond, a top club etc. Getting Dunstan and keeping our swag of picks is very appealing, minimal risk except for what will likely be a team friendly contract

There is not much to see to the eye but in a way that is the attraction.

 

[RFCGloryJC]

The retirement of Bach and Dave.
Someone mentioned earlier Egg had been delisted.
This means we only have to clear two spots.
Chol and Naish can be let go.
CCJ has more than doubled Chol's goal tally as a proportion of games played.

 

[fargothegreat]

The retirement of Bach and Dave.
Someone mentioned earlier Egg had been delisted.
This means we only have to clear two spots.
Chol and Naish can be let go.

I think based on his non-selection this week you can put a line through Garthwaite as well.

 

[Rioli8217]

I think based on his non-selection this week you can put a line through Garthwaite as well.

Will be interesting to see how Miller goes. How good would it be if he could just fill the kpd hole!

 

[TheGhostOfMaurice]

So torn on what to do.. part says don't top up like Hawks did with Mitchell and O'Meara.. other says when they did that they didn't still have the best player in the league (i still think Dusty is if he can get his body right and he ain't that old).

Need some energy and enthusiam to start hunting teams again.. but draftees take 5-7 years before you can rely on them. The dilemma!!??

If only we'd won 3 recent flags so this didnt bother me too much..

I’m kinda with you.
I think we could run again. Not sure on Next year. Maybe maybe not.
Watched the boys again and I think Green is gettable. Hoppers not and would only move for coin. But Lipinski and Narkle as well, then that’s a good trade period

Take what’s left of our picks and get another mid and key back we’ll be ok.
But it’s a while to wait till it all unfolds.


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[Mr Magic]

So torn on what to do.. part says don't top up like Hawks did with Mitchell and O'Meara.. other says when they did that they didn't still have the best player in the league (i still think Dusty is if he can get his body right and he ain't that old).

Need some energy and enthusiam to start hunting teams again.. but draftees take 5-7 years before you can rely on them. The dilemma!!??

If only we'd won 3 recent flags so this didnt bother me too much..

Draftees don't take that long, or shouldn't unless we pick the wrong ones to a degree.

What we achieved was unbelievable considering the entry of Gold Coast and GWS after we picked up JR, Cotch and Dusty wich gave us later than normal draft picks.

All in all if we go heavy in the draft it should hold us in good stead and we have plenty of other options in 2022 and 2023

 

[RJK Tiger]

There is not much to see to the eye but in a way that is the attraction.

What are his skills like? is he clean by hand & foot? or is he a shanker?

 

[Karp3_dm]

What are his skills like? is he clean by hand & foot? or is he a shanker?

Clearly a shanker and shit disposal otherwise he would an in demand gun mid with his ball winning ability

 

[RJK Tiger]

Yea I’ve always rated him highly , he was a salary dump though meaning he would have been >500 . We won’t have that spare for a kpd after addressing midfield needs , Talia will be chips while a Kpd draftee is developed at vfl

even then Talia doesn't excite me much, I don't really feel he offers much more than Garthwaite & is 7 years older. Maybe as a rookie listed vet like Henderson at Geelong, but even then it doesn't excite me much.

Hurley is a guy who could be interesting. 31 and didn't play at all this year under Rutten & the team has totally transformed itself into a younger more promising unit. Do they really have any incentive to try to add him into their side and mess with a good young team & is he ready to retire after missing so much footy? He is on stupid money too (approx $800k), but 2022 is the final year & they could very well be happy to move him on and pay a large portion of his salary just to move on from a player who is quite frankly a relic of their unhappy past. They give him the chance spend a year at another club to win over another contract, on their dime (something he wont likely get at Essendon) & they move on from him in a tasteful way that shows their players they look after their players right till the end - which is something the Essendon football Club, really needs to do - re-earn the trust if the AFL players. For them to basically pay a guy who had his career really ruined by the steroid saga - it would be a incredibly tasteful move & with both Dimma & Rutten as coaches, there is a relationship where it could happen - surely Rutten learned that tactic from us, you help your players move on. If they were going to pay most of his money, I would rather take a punt on Hurley than Talia. This is mainly on the theory that we require some OG backline depth, which i am not really convinced is the case

 

[RJK Tiger]

Clearly a shanker and sh*t disposal otherwise he would an in demand gun mid with his ball winning ability

Are you saying that from watching him though?

 

[Tiger08]

even then Talia doesn't excite me much, I don't really feel he offers much more than Garthwaite & is 7 years older. Maybe as a rookie listed vet like Henderson at Geelong, but even then it doesn't excite me much.

Hurley is a guy who could be interesting. 31 and didn't play at all this year under Rutten & the team has totally transformed itself into a younger more promising unit. Do they really have any incentive to try to add him into their side and mess with a good young team? He is on stupid money too (approx $800k). They could very well be happy to move him on and pay a large portion of his salary just to move on from a player who is quite frankly a relic of their unhappy past. If they were going to pay most of his money, I would rather take a punt on Hurley than Talia. This is mainly on the theory that we require some OG backline depth, which i am not really convinced is the case

I'd rather Rance than them both.

 

[Karp3_dm]

Are you saying that from watching him though?

He can hit a 2 metre handball if that’s what you’re asking
His kicking is poor

 

[Meteoric Rise]

What are his skills like? is he clean by hand & foot? or is he a shanker?

Dunstan is a putrid kick. And I mean putribly putrid. No length but plenty of width. He has a supersonic sonar radar that zeroes in on opponent’s chests.

Could. Not. Kick. A. Bad. Habit.

I think the thing that will prevent him being traded is that he's on decent coin, and no club will want to take on that contract.

He wasn't able to get back into the team for the last round, or for the finals, even though Gresham (who'd been playing mainly midfield) wasn't there, so if you add Gresham and Crouch next year, it will be even harder for him to get a game.

By then Jack Bytel will have another preseason into him as well, and he's potentially a better version of Luke, who we'll want to get games into, so I highly doubt we'll see much, if any of Luke, if he stays.

His glaring weaknesses are lack of both speed and endurance (spends a quarter of each game on the bench), a complete lack of versatility, he's a very ordinary kick and he's not great at handballing either!

All in all, he would be a terrible recruit.

 

[RJK Tiger]

I'd rather Rance than them both.

me too, but even I cant see him coming back to RFC at this point - Essendon would be more chance. If Rance wanted to come back, no brainer get him in ASAP to mentor Balta & Miller & give Grimes a ****ing break. I agree Rance would be an incredibly awesome return at this point, especially with Astbury & Houli retired.

If not, We could swap OG backmen with the Bombers like we swapped coaches with the Bears in 96

 

[RJK Tiger]

Dunstan is a putrid kick. And I mean putribly putrid. No length but plenty of width. He has a supersonic sonar radar that zeroes in on opponent’s chests.

Could. Not. Kick. A. Bad. Habit.

If thats the case, then **** no. I can handle a guy who isnt a great kick but can consistently kick a ball into a particular 15m2 radius - but a turnover king i would have no interest in

 

[Tackle Bag]

As in inside mid, yes he is!

As a forward also. Surprisingly good one on one player and a strong mark for his size. Hard as a cats head. Could rotate him, Bolton and Martin through the forward line and each would bring a different look which would create problems for opposition match ups.

He’s a free agent so comes for bugger all and if we are having another flag push he is ready to have an impact immediately in two areas we are weak in, inside mid and small forward. We desperately need scoring avenues and he’s good for 30 odd goals if he plays deep most of the year.

despite all that, I don’t think we will do it.

 

[Maurice Mitchell]

JR is a bit old unfortunately so we'll still need some kind of athletic kpf (even harder to find).

We already have the perfect candidate but no one on here wants to play him forward.

 

[Maurice Mitchell]

Hopper would cost a sh*t load $ wise and pick wise

I'd do the Cats first and CCJ for Hopper and a lqter pick back IF CCJ is adamant on leaving.

Don’t want to lose Callum but given the persistent talk of him looking at GWS, I guess this is roughly how any potential Hopper deal gets done.

 

[Growapair]

What are his skills like? is he clean by hand & foot? or is he a shanker?

He is clean by hand, neat kick but misses targets by foot on occassion runs defensively, quite clever at finding a gap to be the link through congestion, you don't notice him accumulate the possessions, would allow a smaller midfielders such as Bolton to excel in the same way Tuck did for Cotchin in his Brownlow year

 

[_RT_]

Dunno if i am that incorrect. They were not contracted and had no contract in place fo 2022. Bit much to say that just because the club might have had a number projected next to them for any possible contract - its still just a projection of numbers.It physically make no difference to our 2022 actual cap space

It does make a difference because that money now becomes available for use elsewhere instead of being used for Houli and Astbury.

 

[tigers12]

Cerra has already come out and said he will not play under Ross Lyon so he either stays at Fremantle or comes to us as he being a tigers supporter