List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 4

[richoatthedisco]

What the fu** was I thinking trying to generate some sort of trade and free agency chat.

Perhaps I should just sit there and label every player who isn't an out and out gun a spud and suggest people should give themselves uppercuts for even daring to mention them.

Or maybe I should constantly suggest that our one proven KPD should be played up forward, I'm sure that will be a terrific discussion point.

Jesus, mate. Take a joke.

 

[guruisatiger]

Currow is completely made up. Let’s stop

whats he made up of ??

 

[YeOldTiger]

Got shot from this group when I brought it up the other week. He’s not AFL material, am still surprised we picked him up in the mid season let alone retained him for another year

Yep clearly the club have no idea what they're doing.

 

[4tune8]

I've got a query about that - most of these statements are questions, even the ones without the question marks.

Let's assume we traded three picks to the Dogs for their one, leaving them with say 6 picks for the draft. They would then be required to have 6 list spots available on entering the draft. Of course, they then bundle up 3 of those picks for Darcy in the first 5 minutes of the draft, leaving them with 3 draft picks, but 5 vacant list spots. How are they then expected to fill those last two list spots? Is it expected they upgrade rookies, or trade 2022 picks into 2021? What's the story?

They don't lose the picks, they just get moved to the back of the draft. That's my understanding but I've been wrong before

 

[cairo tiger]

Got shot from this group when I brought it up the other week. He’s not AFL material, am still surprised we picked him up in the mid season let alone retained him for another year

spot on

 

[SplintWhisky]

Can someone tell me how Sydney got their end of second round compo pick ahead of ours? Herald sun is saying they get pick 38 and we get pick 39, surely that is wrong.

 

[wegetpumped]

Blind Freddie knows we're going to bundle up picks and hopefully bend over the club/ clubs we deal with. My point is there's 50,000 hypothetical variations on potential ways of doing it. Unless someone has a poster of Sheldon from big bang on their wall I'm pretty sure 99% of people who come on here have zero interest in reading all these scenarios. Fact of the matter is there's talented players out there who can't get a game that could potentially destroy it at punt Rd.

Dude no one forces anyone to read posts in forums. If you don't like a particular poster and his madness simply don't read or ignore them no point insulting them or whatever. What you don't like doesn't mean someone else doesn't also. In this times what else is there to do.
On the talented players part first you have to pick them and than get lucky.

 

[wegetpumped]

Can someone tell me how Sydney got their end of second round compo pick ahead of ours? Herald sun is saying they get pick 38 and we get pick 39, surely that is wrong.

Goes on wages and contract time. If they match than it goes via ladder position. I think anyway.

 

[SumTingWong]

Can someone tell me how Sydney got their end of second round compo pick ahead of ours? Herald sun is saying they get pick 38 and we get pick 39, surely that is wrong.

The afl site has us with 38 and Sydney with 39

 

[archibald]

whats he made up of ??

Brown paper bag mache?

 

[THE THIN MAN]

Essendon GM of football Josh Mahoney

Josh Mahoney

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1.6

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has hinted at what the Bombers are planning to do with their first-round pick in the 2021 AFL Draft.

The club currently holds pick 11 in the upcoming draft, then no picks until the third round after pick swaps last year.

Fresh off their raid on the first round of the draft in 2020 that netted Archie Perkins, Nik Cox, and Zach Reid all in the top 10, the Bombers are once again planning to take multiple draftees early on.

“The work that Rob Forster (national recruiting manager), Adrian Dodoro (list manager), and I have done on the draft, we’d like to have a few more picks,” Mahoney told Sportsday.

“We’ll try to get involved in some potential opportunities there.

“We think there’s a good group of players between the 10-25 (pick) mark, so if we can get a few players through that, I think it can add to the three first-rounders we brought in last year.”

Perkins and Cox have shown enough in their first year to suggest they will become successful pickups for the club, while Reid only played the one game after suffering glandular fever and a back injury.

The Bombers have one of the youngest list profiles in the AFL and showed significant improvement in 2021 to make the finals.

Bombers hint at plans to expand draft hand

“We’ll try to get involved in some potential opportunities there.”

www.sen.com.au

 

[GoTigers2015]

Who else is bored sh!tless with the constant barrage of grown men sitting down with Lore's spreadsheet calculating an infinite amount of pick bundling to gain lower picks in the draft?????? Funny thing is anytime someone suggests an actual trade for a fringe player like Rhylee West or Will Brodie etc they get shot down. People forget Bachar Houli, Grigg and Nankervis were all fringe players before we got them. Leon Cameron and Greg Dear were castoffs because their club's thought their injuries were career ending but they turned out to be astute pickups. ( For the young kiddies and the bandwagonners who jumped on recently Leon Cameron was a gun who could kick either side better than the whole comp these days and Greg Dear was a battle worn Ruckman on his last legs who helped the kids immensely for 3 years especially during our 95 finals). It's 2 months until the draft who else wants the pick swap scenarios moved elsewhere as it's doing my head in.

Just because you don't agree other posters analysis, you shouldn't deride them. There have been examples where it has worked out, (you left out premiership hero Jacob Townsend) but there also more examples of misses Paul Hudson, Justin Blumfield, Patrick Bowden, Jordan McMahon, Adam Thomson, Aaron Edwards, Shaun Hampson plus all the duds from other clubs we have picked up the rookie draft.

The fact is we have not traded in a player in 4 seasons. With a surplus of picks trading up in the draft or into next year's draft would serve us much better then trading in a depth player from another club IMO.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

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Essendon GM of football Josh Mahoney has hinted at what the Bombers are planning to do with their first-round pick in the 2021 AFL Draft.

The club currently holds pick 11 in the upcoming draft, then no picks until the third round after pick swaps last year.

Fresh off their raid on the first round of the draft in 2020 that netted Archie Perkins, Nik Cox, and Zach Reid all in the top 10, the Bombers are once again planning to take multiple draftees early on.

“The work that Rob Forster (national recruiting manager), Adrian Dodoro (list manager), and I have done on the draft, we’d like to have a few more picks,” Mahoney told Sportsday.

“We’ll try to get involved in some potential opportunities there.

“We think there’s a good group of players between the 10-25 (pick) mark, so if we can get a few players through that, I think it can add to the three first-rounders we brought in last year.”

Perkins and Cox have shown enough in their first year to suggest they will become successful pickups for the club, while Reid only played the one game after suffering glandular fever and a back injury.

The Bombers have one of the youngest list profiles in the AFL and showed significant improvement in 2021 to make the finals.

Bombers hint at plans to expand draft hand

“We’ll try to get involved in some potential opportunities there.”

www.sen.com.au

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Nothing really in that for us if they want a couple of #10-25 picks back for #11 (#13). I wouldn't deal with Essendon anyway - notorious campaigners.

 

[THE THIN MAN]

Just because you don't agree other posters analysis, you shouldn't deride them. There have been examples where it has worked out, (you left out premiership hero Jacob Townsend) but there also more examples of misses Paul Hudson, Justin Blumfield, Patrick Bowden, Jordan McMahon, Adam Thomson, Aaron Edwards, Shaun Hampson plus all the duds from other clubs we have picked up the rookie draft.

The fact is we have not traded in a player in 4 seasons. With a surplus of picks trading up in the draft or into next year's draft would serve us much better then trading in a depth player from another club IMO.

Tom Hislop and Mitch Farmer can be added to the list

 

[THE THIN MAN]

Nothing really in that for us if they want a couple of #10-25 picks back for #11 (#13). I wouldn't deal with Essendon anyway - notorious campaigners.

I can not see how they will do it, delusional!

 

[GhostofJimJess]

I can not see how they will do it?

Maybe consider #26 + #28 (1406pts) for their #11 (1329pts)? That's the best they could possibly get from us.

 

[SunshineBoy]

This is a road to perdition imo. I'd rather see players only able to be traded in or out when they're coming out of contract. What's happening is clubs can just sign any player on any old massive amount (some of these contracts are ridiculous) and take the punt that it will be a success. Then, if it all goes south (Coniglio for example) it's now viable to just salary dump the player onto someone else. When there's no consequences for big mistakes, recruiters are emboldened to do crazy deals, knowing there's a get out of jail card. The next step is creative bookkeeping and ventures into negative trades or the type of smoke and mirrors being explored by North and the Suns.

That's a crazy and unsustainable way of doing business. You more than likely end up with everyone making ill considered, short term decisions trying to play the system and then wriggling out of them when they go sour, potentially making the whole competition unstable and irrational.

So ultimately contracts aren't worth the paper they're printed on and you can say welcome to the "players are just a commodity" era rubbish we see from other sports, in the US primarily. Australian Rules Football is our indigenous game and its unique, right down to the grass roots. It's not American and this attitude that all (sporting) things American are better has to stop. Why ?

Because it's bs. Clubs run like corporations or worse, private playthings of dodgy "entrepreneurs". We've seen how that went and we walked away with fingers singed. Players treated like pawns, player managers acting like superstars. They aren't superstars, they're just player managers.

If we continue down this road, the integrity of the competition is further eroded and right now it's lower than I've ever seen in my 50y enjoying the game.

Whilst it's fun for us sitting at home "managing" our teams, when the rules get bent and stretched and loopholed until the product you end up with, doesn't reflect the product you started with or intended to create, then you end up cannibalising the unique and special product we love.

Leave the rules alone. That goes for all the rules. Be slow and considered to making changes and stop clubs straying into the unethical. If it smells bad, it's because it's off.

welcome to Gilligans island

 

[_RT_]

Can someone tell me how Sydney got their end of second round compo pick ahead of ours? Herald sun is saying they get pick 38 and we get pick 39, surely that is wrong.

I'd say it was a simple error, but it's the Herald Sun and they love spreading misinformation

 

[smurfin]

Just put _RT_ on ignore.

Or go for a walk.


Jack was listed as 195cm for years, now he's listed at 193, and having stood face to face with him, 193 would be his absolute max. Not sure why he lied about his height other than the prejudice some might have like the poster you responded to saying "only" 192 is not tall enough. Charles Barkley was "only" 194 and is one of the great power forwards in history. Curnow's tall enough, especially for CHF which is more about running than hitting your head on the ceiling.

Anyway, we're not getting him. So, let's trade picks 38, 41, 45, our future third, Dusty's second illegitimate daughter and Ralph Carr's merkin to Norf for pick 1.

Ralph Carr's Merkin...

 

[_RT_]

Meanwhile the Western Bulldogs, who need points to match a bid for father-son prospect Sam Darcy (likely to fall in the top five), are eyeing Richmond’s picks 26 and 28 in a trade for their pick 17.

Pies’ plot to solve AFL’s toughest trade dilemma; Bombers reveal top priority: Trade Whispers

Pies’ plot to solve AFL’s toughest trade dilemma; Bombers reveal top priority: Trade Whispers

www.foxsports.com.au

Not sure I'd be overly happy with that happening

 

[Morro]

Pies’ plot to solve AFL’s toughest trade dilemma; Bombers reveal top priority: Trade Whispers

Pies’ plot to solve AFL’s toughest trade dilemma; Bombers reveal top priority: Trade Whispers

www.foxsports.com.au

Not sure I'd be overly happy with that happening

That would be horrible business by us.

 

[austyn08]

Nothing really in that for us if they want a couple of #10-25 picks back for #11 (#13). I wouldn't deal with Essendon anyway - notorious campaigners.

The only deals I want to see is us totally exploiting oppositions draft desperation. If they they come to us they are paying. Seen too many other teams in the same position take advantage. We wait to the last minute and see who is desperate, they will come.
Roll on live trading.

 

[4tune8]

Pies’ plot to solve AFL’s toughest trade dilemma; Bombers reveal top priority: Trade Whispers

Pies’ plot to solve AFL’s toughest trade dilemma; Bombers reveal top priority: Trade Whispers

www.foxsports.com.au

Not sure I'd be overly happy with that happening

They can eye off 26 & 28 as much as they like, they are too valuable for just a 9 spot upgrade

 

[tiger_tough]

Dogs would need to throw in a future pick surely

 

[_RT_]

That would be horrible business by us.

I guess it depends on the deal, what if the Dogs said 26 & 28 for 17 and 2022 R1?