List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 4

[prodigy]

Pies’ plot to solve AFL’s toughest trade dilemma; Bombers reveal top priority: Trade Whispers

Pies’ plot to solve AFL’s toughest trade dilemma; Bombers reveal top priority: Trade Whispers

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Not sure I'd be overly happy with that happening

Something more fair would be our 26 and the Chol compo pick (38/39) for their Pick 17.
If they want 26 and 28 for 17, they'll need to throw in a future second as well.

 

[_RT_]

Sorry what? You want to trade our two second round picks for their first round pick this year and next year?

There is a report I posted earlier that is suggesting the Dogs want 26 & 28 for their 17. Obviously none of us would do that, so I said what if the Dogs were to offer their first pick this year and next. I think we'd consider it, especially if we still had the 2 x late 2nds and 2 x 3rds to deal with that could also be upgraded.

 

[SumTingWong]

There is a report I posted earlier that is suggesting the Dogs want 26 & 28 for their 17. Obviously none of us would do that, so I said what if the Dogs were to offer their first pick this year and next. I think we'd consider it, especially if we still had the 2 x late 2nds and 2 x 3rds to deal with that could also be upgraded.

It's pretty obvious he was questioning the lunacy of your suggestion.

 

[_RT_]

Something more fair would be our 26 and the Chol compo pick (38/39) for their Pick 17.
If they want 26 and 28 for 17, they'll need to throw in a future second as well.

There are so many deals that can be chased with our draft hand and I'm sure that Hartley and co will get the very best deals possible that leave us in great position to attack the draft, not just this year but possibly next year as well.

 

[michaelk]

Below is the worst case for our pick 7 if everyone above us goes for the most highly-rated midfielder available. Just ignored Daicos & Darcy and matched bids.

Pick 1 - JHF to North
Pick 2 - Callahan to GWS
Pick 3 - Ward to GC
Pick 4 - Erasmus to Adelaide
Pick 5 - Hobbs to Hawthorn
Pick 6 - Goater to Freo (Carlton's pick)
Pick 7 - TIGERS - Rachele, Gibcus, Sinn, Johnson, Wanganeen-Milera

Gibcus, Mac Andrew & Jye Amiss are "wildcards" and any of them could go before our pick, meaning possibility of Erasmus or Hobbs being available at our first pick.
What is the difference between a pick 7 player and Ward worth to us?
Is Ward worth trading 7 & 15 for? eg Is he worth more than both Matt Johnson & Matt Roberts together?

Regardless, I wouldn't offer too much for an upgrade to anything other than pick 2 or 3. Not paying overs for the chance that Ward slips to pick 4.

I like your post and the conversation it is stimulating.

However, if Freo choose Goater ahead of their WA boys, the fans will bomb the place down. Goater for Freo's 1st pick - more chance the Hawks to pick up Fyfe and Mundy.

 

[_RT_]

It's pretty obvious he was questioning the lunacy of your suggestion.

Highly unlikely the Dogs would do that, but you just never know, Pies were dumb enough to give up pick 2 for magic beans last year.

 

[Azzleberry]

I guess it depends on the deal, what if the Dogs said 26 & 28 for 17 and 2022 R1?

Why on earth would the dogs trade 17 and a 2022 pick between 1-18 for picks 26 and 28?

If anything it would be 17 and a future 2nd rounder for 26 or 28.

Personally I read the article as targeting those picks as in "targeting one of them with some later picks" - I'd be fine with 28,41 and 45 for pick 17

 

[Tigerbob]

I like your post and the conversation it is stimulating.

However, if Freo choose Goater ahead of their WA boys, the fans will bomb the place down. Goater for Freo's 1st pick - more chance the Hawks to pick up Fyfe and Mundy.

At this point, Ward won’t get past Hawthorn and Freo will take Erasmus or Amiss no doubt.

To measure what we will have left you have to have these possibilities. My prediction is;

North: JHF
Collingwood: Daicos
Western Bulldogs: Darcy
GWS: Mac Andrew
Gold Coast: Gibcus
Adelaide: Callahan
Hawthorn: Ward
Fremantle: Erasmus

You can see why we want to be in the conversation with GWS, GC and Adelaide to move up. Callahan and Ward for us are game changers. If we can’t move up, we will either settle for Hobbs/ Sonsie both have risks or as I’ve said previously, we might reach for Johnson from WA or Amiss from WA.

 

[_RT_]

Why on earth would the dogs trade 17 and a 2022 pick between 1-18 for picks 26 and 28?

If anything it would be 17 and a future 2nd rounder for 26 or 28.

Personally I read the article as targeting those picks as in "targeting one of them with some later picks" - I'd be fine with 28,41 and 45 for pick 17

I know they wouldn't. I was looking at it from the POV that if the Dogs were desperate to get our picks in a worse case scenario for them in terms of being able to match a Darcy bid.

 

[prodigy]

We need Monday to roll around ASAP. Goodness gracious me.

 

[Tigerbob]

At this point, Ward won’t get past Hawthorn and Freo will take Erasmus or Amiss no doubt.

To measure what we will have left you have to have these possibilities. My prediction is;

North: JHF
Collingwood: Daicos
Western Bulldogs: Darcy
GWS: Mac Andrew
Gold Coast: Gibcus
Adelaide: Callahan
Hawthorn: Ward
Fremantle: Erasmus

You can see why we want to be in the conversation with GWS, GC and Adelaide to move up. Callahan and Ward for us are game changers. If we can’t move up, we will either settle for Hobbs/ Sonsie both have risks or as I’ve said previously, we might reach for Johnson from WA or Amiss from WA.

In saying all that, I expect some movement of these picks that may change that order. I’m hearing Mac Andrew has fans at GC which may make GWS hesitate moving it on. They both love Andrew and Gibcus and have a plethora of mids. If GWS had pick one they would choose Darcy first.

Tomorrow starts an intriguing trade week. Can’t wait.

 

[Azzleberry]

26 and 28 for 17 ... meh - unless 15 and 17 are packaged for 3 - and w have 3 and 7 !!!!

This is what I hope we're trying to do.

But might be something more like
7&15 for 3 & 19
Then package 17 and 19 for a pick back in the top 10.
End up with 3 and another top 10 to go for Callahan/Ward/Hobbs and Amiss/Gibcus/VR (if he bolts based on yday)

 

[tigs2010]

Sorry what? You want to trade our two second round picks for their first round pick this year and next year?

_RT_ is using ice again. Put him on ignore.

 

[_RT_]

_RT_ is using ice again. Put him on ignore.

Or go for a walk

 

[Mr Magic]

This is what I hope we're trying to do.

But might be something more like
7&15 for 3 & 19
Then package 17 and 19 for a pick back in the top 10.
End up with 3 and another top 10 to go for Callahan/Ward/Hobbs and Amiss/Gibcus/VR (if he bolts based on yday)

Don't need to do that. Trade 2022 first for St Kildas pick 9

 

[tigs2010]

Or go for a walk

Can’t be ****ed

 

[Lacustrus]

They both love Andrew and Gibcus and have a plethora of mids. If GWS had pick one they would choose Darcy first.

God point, GC need insurance for the Lukosis and King possibly moving next year, and GWS were woefully short of talls in that last final. Key positon players have to be their priority...

 

[Mr Magic]

Something more fair would be our 26 and the Chol compo pick (38/39) for their Pick 17.
If they want 26 and 28 for 17, they'll need to throw in a future second as well.

Why do they want 26 and 28 when they are only chasing points?

 

[tigs2010]

God point, GC need insurance for the Lukosis and King possibly moving next year, and GWS were woefully short of talls in that last final. Key positon players have to be their priority...

I think they will be. It’s just whether they trade down to get them or just grab where they are. The fact they are back to back is great.

 

[Mr Magic]

I guess it depends on the deal, what if the Dogs said 26 & 28 for 17 and 2022 R1?

Do it, on balance, unless there was players they we really wanted

 

[Bojangles17]

There is a report I posted earlier that is suggesting the Dogs want 26 & 28 for their 17. Obviously none of us would do that, so I said what if the Dogs were to offer their first pick this year and next. I think we'd consider it, especially if we still had the 2 x late 2nds and 2 x 3rds to deal with that could also be upgraded.

None of us , gee I’d give it serious consideration

 

[Bojangles17]

Or go for a walk

Are we allowed to do that

 

[Mr Magic]

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Essendon GM of football Josh Mahoney has hinted at what the Bombers are planning to do with their first-round pick in the 2021 AFL Draft.

The club currently holds pick 11 in the upcoming draft, then no picks until the third round after pick swaps last year.

Fresh off their raid on the first round of the draft in 2020 that netted Archie Perkins, Nik Cox, and Zach Reid all in the top 10, the Bombers are once again planning to take multiple draftees early on.

“The work that Rob Forster (national recruiting manager), Adrian Dodoro (list manager), and I have done on the draft, we’d like to have a few more picks,” Mahoney told Sportsday.

“We’ll try to get involved in some potential opportunities there.

“We think there’s a good group of players between the 10-25 (pick) mark, so if we can get a few players through that, I think it can add to the three first-rounders we brought in last year.”

Perkins and Cox have shown enough in their first year to suggest they will become successful pickups for the club, while Reid only played the one game after suffering glandular fever and a back injury.

The Bombers have one of the youngest list profiles in the AFL and showed significant improvement in 2021 to make the finals.

Bombers hint at plans to expand draft hand

“We’ll try to get involved in some potential opportunities there.”

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I would be interested in 11 depending on who slips through and does not cost us too much. Obviously 15 and 17 is far too much

 

[Tiges1229]

Are we allowed to do that

probably get shot at by the Victorian covid gestapo.

 

[Mr Magic]

I can not see how they will do it, delusional!

Unless we could get 22/23, then 17 and 22/23 for 11 and other picks(s) for swings and roundabouts but one would have to be very careful with Essendon given how ruthless Adrian is.

It would depend on who would be available at 11 but 22/23 would be a handy pick by itself or around that mark. Even a pick 19 of GC