Trade Hypotheticals

[Stamos]

Oh didnt know that, thanks DanA. Don't you also have to nominate early that you plan to use the compensation pick in the upcoming draft? 3 months before the draft? 6 months?

Before Round 1 (there is an actual date) of the season before the draft

 

[Igloo]

Oh didnt know that, thanks DanA. Don't you also have to nominate early that you plan to use the compensation pick in the upcoming draft? 3 months before the draft? 6 months?

You have to nominate it at the start of the year.

 

[supernova_]

Cheers guys

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Oh didnt know that, thanks DanA. Don't you also have to nominate early that you plan to use the compensation pick in the upcoming draft? 3 months before the draft? 6 months?

You have to nominate it at the start of the year and then you have to use it by the end of that year, either in a trade or draft.

I think what a lot of Geelong supporters are trying to say is that we will fall at some stage with all the retirements, at which point the pick gains it's value, say for example in 2014ish it's realistic to think we might finish 12th, in which case it's pick 7.

But based on us trading the other ablett pick back to you last year for pick 15, our philosophy is "get good kids in now" so we would be unlikely to wait that long and thus unlikely to get full value for it. Therefore it makes more sense that rather than use it next year in the draft when it won't have it's full value, we trade it to get something back that we are keen on, such as Toy, you send us him plus a later pick that we can use for now, and you bank the pick and use it when we drop and it has it's full value, which seems like a win win all round.

 

[mj233]

^ Adelaide getting r*ped and Sydney committing daylight robbery

Thats standard for us

 

[delediofan3]

Re: 2011 Trade Prediction's

I think a swap of Cruize Garlett for a fringe player from another team (similar if younger age, HBF'er) may happen.

We would also entertain of getting O'Meara, but like a few clubs such as Richmond, don't have the picks/fringe quality to compete with the likes of Melbourne (Scully picks), Gold Coast (pick 4, thousands of top youth) or even Port (pick 6 + something else) without giving up a 'valuable commodity'

It seems on here, most posters seem to think they can attract guns without giving up their own guns through draft picks/their 14th best player. For example Tiger supporters would say Deledio/Cotchin/Martin/Vickery/Conca/Riewoldt/Rance off limits..North fans might say Ziebell/Wells/Swallow/Goldstein etc are off limits...won't get any real quality like O'Meara with that attitude.

Now I'm going to throw out some ideas. Note that I'm not predicting them, or getting a perfect trade, but more what I believe could be starting negotiations between teams

Think Kosi will be traded, has some value left in him, new coach might want to give Lynch/Walsh/Stanley more game time. Could go to Brisbane in return for 2nd rounder and Sheldon (I'm not trying to predict exact trades, just ideas, but Sheldon is a fringe youngster, and is just an example). Don't believe Kosi would attract much more, if Brisbane get a first rounder for Clark they could put that into the deal.

Clark for pick 16 and a player
Brisbane then have 8, 16, 30 and 48. Maybe 16 and Hanley for Kosi + 38....Hanley gives the Saints the option of getting rid of Peake/Ray if they develop him into a wingman, or Gram if as a HBF.

O'Meara for 4 + Hickey.
GWS have 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 (Patton, Coniglio, Wingard, Tyson, Longer), plus Hickey to help back up Brogan/Giles/Longer
Gold Coast get O'Meara and add him to the midfield of Ablett, Rischitelli, Iles, Swallow, McKenzie, Prestia, Bennell and Weller

A couple of Geelong fringe players may be looking elsewhere. Simpson while at start of year was from what I heard, in front of West/Vardy.
Simpson for pick 29 (Port Adelaide). Might not be fair to Geelong, but if he wants to leave, the Cats will get the best available deal without pushing Port to take him in the pre season draft. Simpson/Lobbe is a young ruck combo, but building with Hartlett/Gray/Boak and with Westhoff as a possible pinch hitter and a couple of others in Redden/Bass not quite regular AFL players, would be quite good for Port.

I think Richmond will entertain trading Daniel Jackson. Really not worth much, if the new Saints coach thinks he can have 1 last crack at the big one, Jackson as an experienced midfielder might help out Hayes. 38 and 56 for Jackson and 32...

Throwing out some possible situations

Don't be stupid. Why would we trade Jackson + 2nd rounder for Saint's 2nd rounder 4 places below + their 3rd rounder.
Jackson would cost them their 2nd rounder. Or 3rd rounder + 4th rounder.

 

[Stamos]

Suggested by Blue & Silver

How about:

Port
Lose: Pick 28, Pick 51,
Gain: J Griffin, Pick 44, Pick 56

Freo
Lose: J.Griffin, Pick 56
Gain: P.Bower, Pick 51

Carlton
Lose: P Bower, Pick 44
Gain: Pick 28

Posted on Carlton Board as well. Any thoughts?

 

[Nickos66]

Carlton win with the big upgrade from 2nd to 1st for their injury prone stop gap there..

 

[Books]

Suggested (by me) 3-way trade:

Brisbane lose Mitch Clark and pick 52
Brisbane gain Tom Swift and Brent Renouf

West Coast gain Mitch Clark and pick 52
West Coast lose Tom Swift and Koby Stevens

Hawthorn gain Koby Stevens
Hawthorn lose Brent Renouf

Thoughts?

 

[Doro]

Suggested (by me) 3-way trade:

Brisbane lose Mitch Clark and pick 52
Brisbane gain Tom Swift and Brent Renouf

West Coast gain Mitch Clark and pick 52
West Coast lose Tom Swift and Koby Stevens

Hawthorn gain Koby Stevens
Hawthorn lose Brent Renouf

Thoughts?

I would have thought a pick 20-25 for Stevens, 35-45 for Renouf

 

[Jeremias]

Suggested (by me) 3-way trade:

Brisbane lose Mitch Clark and pick 52
Brisbane gain Tom Swift and Brent Renouf

West Coast gain Mitch Clark and pick 52
West Coast lose Tom Swift and Koby Stevens

Hawthorn gain Koby Stevens
Hawthorn lose Brent Renouf

Thoughts?

Brisbane are huge losers there, and the Eagles are huge winners.

 

[Daniel_Rich]

West Coast:
Gain - Clark, 30
Lose - Swift, Lycett

Brisbane:
Gain - Tippett, Swift, 24
Lose - Clark, 8, 30

Adelaide:
Gain - Lycett, 8
Lose - Tippett, 24

Thoughts? Just made it up for fun while bored.

 

[Nickos66]

West Coast:
Gain - Clark, 30
Lose - Swift, Lycett

Brisbane:
Gain - Tippett, Swift, 24
Lose - Clark, 8, 30

Adelaide:
Gain - Lycett, 8
Lose - Tippett, 24

Thoughts? Just made it up for fun while bored.

That actually looks pretty good.

 

[PyroCrow]

West Coast:
Gain - Clark, 30
Lose - Swift, Lycett

Brisbane:
Gain - Tippett, Swift, 24
Lose - Clark, 8, 30

Adelaide:
Gain - Lycett, 8
Lose - Tippett, 24

Thoughts? Just made it up for fun while bored.

Would want a 2nd rounder from someone or a good young mid to balance out losing 24.

 

[Blue and Silver]

Carlton win with the big upgrade from 2nd to 1st for their injury prone stop gap there..

Yeah but neither Freo or Port lose.

Make it Pick 33 if that is more palatable for you

 

[DANGERZONE123]

West Coast:
Gain - Clark, 30
Lose - Swift, Lycett

Brisbane:
Gain - Tippett, Swift, 35
Lose - Clark, 8, 30

Adelaide:
Gain - Lycett, 8
Lose - Tippett, 35

Thoughts? Just made it up for fun while bored.

That is better, and fairer for Adelaide.

You guys apparently might offer 8 and 16. 16 > Lycett, so I'd prefer the two picks, or just no pick on our behalf.

 

[Daniel_Rich]

Would want a 2nd rounder from someone or a good young mid to balance out losing 24.

West Coast's 45? Hell you can have Brisbane's 52 for free too if you want . But WC's 45 would make it:

West Coast:
Gain - Clark, 30
Lose - Swift, Lycett, 45

Brisbane:
Gain - Tippett, Swift, 24
Lose - Clark, 8, 30

Adelaide:
Gain - Lycett, 8, 45
Lose - Tippett, 24

West Coast land Clark whilst keeping their first rounder, Brisbane get Tippett as a Clark replacement (some would say upgrade), Swift who could be a decent player and gain back 24 for losing 8, and Adelaide get a top 10 pick and a young Tippett replacement in Lycett.

I know it's highly unlikely but I reckon it could be win/win/win for all clubs involved (assuming Tippett wants out and WC would part with Lycett to make themselves a stronger flag threat).

 

[Daniel_Rich]

That is better, and fairer for Adelaide.

You guys apparently might offer 8 and 16. 16 > Lycett, so I'd prefer the two picks, or just no pick on our behalf.

Also an option. Might as well just send 35 off to West Coast and we keep our 30 if no-one was too fussed.

 

[smashbox gill]

cant trade 1st year players i think, have to wait until next year until you can trade Lycett.

 

[Daniel_Rich]

cant trade 1st year players i think, have to wait until next year until you can trade Lycett.

Does anyone know if this is correct?

 

[Books]

I would have thought a pick 20-25 for Stevens, 35-45 for Renouf

Really? I think a 23 year-old premiership ruckman (remembering that ruckmen mature later) would be worth more than a fringe midfielder who has proven very little.

I'd be horrified if Hawthorn traded Renouf for a pack after 35. I'd be disappointed if we accepted pick 28 from Port.

I guess that is why so few deals get done. We all have such different opinions.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Brisbane are huge losers there, and the Eagles are huge winners.

Funny, I don't feel like a winner with that trade.
How's about we keep Stevens and Swift and they sort out a deal amongst themselves.

 

[Blue and Silver]

Hypothetically carlton get in on the Brisbane/Freo trade:

Brisbane:
Lose: Mitch Clark, 34, 52
Gainick 16, 20, O'halpin

Freo:
Lose: Pick 16, 20,
Gain: Bower, Clark,

Carlton:
Lose: Paul Bower, Setanta O'halpin, Gain: 34, 52

Brisbane get a make-shift Clark replacement in O'halpin (no where near the quality, but depth coverage while you develop a replacement) and two first rounders.

Freo lose the first two but get their man Clark, and quality in Bower.

Carlton get picks for players and free up list space

 

[KTLK]

3 Way Trade Deal Idea: Demons/Hawks/Kangas

MELB:
Gain: Lisle
Lose: Maric

Kangas
Gain: Maric
Lose: Pick 40

Hawks
Gain: Pick 40
Lose Lisle

Fair trade.

 

[Silvagnis]

Re: 3 Way Trade Deal Idea: Demons/Hawks/Kangas

Sam Jacobs?