Trade Hypotheticals

[cotter101]

Re: 2011 Trade Predictions - Part II

We wouldn't trade him.

Irish project player that made his debut in 2011 and showed plenty in 11 games.

A fair few Carlton supporters believe that he's best 22 material for us from 2012, and whilst I don't necessarily agree with that, he's not too far off.

Pearce Hanley is a gun but hadn't shown as much in his first 2 seasons as Tuohy has in 2011.

Every chance he'll turn out to be a fantastic player.

Why would we trade for Garlett?

Dose Tuohy play a similar type role to Hanley? I was going to say look at Hanley but you beat me to it.

Garlett could be that extra inside player for you allowing Gibbs to play somewhere else?

 

[dajesmac]

Re: 2011 Trade Prediction's

Why on earth would Hawthorn think about trading Savage? Their window is now...

 

[DanA]

Re: 2011 Trade Prediction's

A couple of Geelong fringe players may be looking elsewhere. Simpson while at start of year was from what I heard, in front of West/Vardy.
Simpson for pick 29 (Port Adelaide). Might not be fair to Geelong, but if he wants to leave, the Cats will get the best available deal without pushing Port to take him in the pre season draft. Simpson/Lobbe is a young ruck combo, but building with Hartlett/Gray/Boak and with Westhoff as a possible pinch hitter and a couple of others in Redden/Bass not quite regular AFL players, would be quite good for Port.

Throwing out some possible situations

Ottens is the only competition for Simpson on the list and there is a good chance he'll retire. West/Vardy are both 2nd/utility ruckmen. No way will we trade him and I think he's under contract.

 

[Stamos]

Re: 2011 Trade Predictions - Part II

what would Carlton want for Zach Tuohy, shows a lot of potential but seems to be behind in the pecking order. reckon he could play that hbf role for north. would a straight swap for garlett get it done, or garlett plus a pick. im just guessing, just trying to understand what carlton would want for him.

No way we would trade him. He's been playing Australian Rules football for less than 2 years. Will be a permanent best 22 player in 2012.

 

[Varicho]

Re: 2011 Trade Predictions - Part II

No way we would trade him. He's been playing Australian Rules football for less than 2 years. Will be a permanent best 22 player in 2012.

I've gotta say out of all the Irish guys out there, this guy is the most polished. Has amazing kicking skills - looks like he grew up on the game. I think potentially he's the next Kennelly.

 

[Slattery_20]

Re: 2011 Trade Prediction's

Monfries is a better footballer than Douglas.
30 goals and half the year he was pushing much further up, or tagging the likes of Bob Murphy.

Douglas is capable enough, but if Essendon were to give away a decent player like Monfries, we'd need to either add someone very good, or kids/picks who might become that. Douglas is neither IMHO.
Savage fits the latter, but I doubt they'd be into Monfries.
Would be funny to see Hawks' reactions if they were.

 

[themilkman888]

Re: 2011 Trade Predictions - Part II

We wouldn't trade him.

Irish project player that made his debut in 2011 and showed plenty in 11 games.

A fair few Carlton supporters believe that he's best 22 material for us from 2012, and whilst I don't necessarily agree with that, he's not too far off.

Pearce Hanley is a gun but hadn't shown as much in his first 2 seasons as Tuohy has in 2011.

Every chance he'll turn out to be a fantastic player.

Why would we trade for Garlett?

Yeh i reckon he is when he has come into your side has played really well, just wondering because he seems to play a pretty similar role to gibbs scotland yarran etc as that sort of attacking half back/winger, so wondered what your views on him were, new it was a pretty big stretch for u guys to trade, garlett could be that inside mid your guys have been talking about and would come reasonable cheap, has shown potential but is behind others at north. thanks for the comments

 

[Varicho]

Re: 2011 Trade Prediction's

Monfries is a better footballer than Douglas.
30 goals and half the year he was pushing much further up, or tagging the likes of Bob Murphy.

Douglas is capable enough, but if Essendon were to give away a decent player like Monfries, we'd need to either add someone very good, or kids/picks who might become that. Douglas is neither IMHO.
Savage fits the latter, but I doubt they'd be into Monfries.
Would be funny to see Hawks' reactions if they were.

Not that you probably care to hear from a Richmond supporter, but no way would I have Monfries before Douglas...

Angus is inconsistent. Shows moments of brilliance in some games, then goes missing all too often - and that's from my Essendon friend's (I grew up in Essendon and know a lot of them).

Douglas is strong, more polished, more consistent and can play midfield - last years B&F.

Fair enough, everyone rates their players higher, but I would suspect most neutrals would rate Douglas the better player.

 

[adam10]

Re: 2011 Trade Predictions - Part II

What would the Hawks look for Jordan Lisle?

 

[HARKER]

Re: 2011 Trade Predictions - Part II

what would Carlton want for Zach Tuohy, shows a lot of potential but seems to be behind in the pecking order. reckon he could play that hbf role for north. would a straight swap for garlett get it done, or garlett plus a pick. im just guessing, just trying to understand what carlton would want for him.

Tuohy will be easy starting 22 next year and much more than that.
Will replace Yarran down back within the next 12 months, realeasing Yarran to the centre.
I've watched him closely for 2 years now and there is a huge upside to this kid that may not have been gleaned by other clubs just yet.

No interest in Cruize for us.
For now we'll target 2 player types and that's it.

 

[HARKER]

Re: 2011 Trade Predictions - Part II

What would the Hawks look for Jordan Lisle?

Will be in demand and the Hawks likely to get overs for him.
They're in a good position and don't be surprised for a huge win for them.

 

[Slattery_20]

Re: 2011 Trade Prediction's

Not that you probably care to hear from a Richmond supporter, but no way would I have Monfries before Douglas...

Angus is inconsistent. Shows moments of brilliance in some games, then goes missing all too often - and that's from my Essendon friend's (I grew up in Essendon and know a lot of them).

Douglas is strong, more polished, more consistent and can play midfield - last years B&F.

Fair enough, everyone rates their players higher, but I would suspect most neutrals would rate Douglas the better player.

I'm not sure Douglas is any more consistent. If he'd gone anywhere near backing up 2010, I'd be convinced, but he didn't.

I don't think it's really correct to say Gus is inconsistent or goes missing; he (pretty much always) does plenty of K's, and gets the ball on longs leads, he just doesn't have enough tricks (massive leap, lightning pace etc) to kick bags against the run of play (hence the over-reactions & so on).

The only reason you'd pick Douglas over Monfries is if you specifically needed someone to run through midfield.

 

[Turly]

Re: 2011 Trade Prediction's

Monfries is a better footballer than Douglas.
30 goals and half the year he was pushing much further up, or tagging the likes of Bob Murphy.

Douglas is capable enough, but if Essendon were to give away a decent player like Monfries, we'd need to either add someone very good, or kids/picks who might become that. Douglas is neither IMHO.
Savage fits the latter, but I doubt they'd be into Monfries.
Would be funny to see Hawks' reactions if they were.

No chance in hell we would get rid of Sav for that piss-weak monfries
If Sav was to go the deal would have to be sweet, he has huge potential and next season will be a consistent member of the hawks best 22, which he was this year until he got injured. To be more precise I don't see pick 19 in a shite draft sweet, so if that was the offer he won't be going anywhere.

As for Lisle it's a tough one, he's come into the lineup and played his role well, but is being kept out of the lineup by, Buddy, Hale, Gibson and Roughead when he comes back. The hawks are a big fan though and won't let him go for dohnuts thats for sure, offer's???

 

[Keystone agony]

Re: 2011 Trade Prediction's

Monfries has never and will never win a B&F. Douglas has and will probably win another one before his career is over. You have rocks in your head or bias rocks if you think Monfries is the better player than Douglas.

Hooker could help the hawks.

 

[Wickzki]

Re: 2011 Trade Prediction's

Unsure which thread to post this in. I posted the same thing over on the Blues board (rumour thread) as discussion, as it does most years, has descended into an all day discussion on Brendan Goddard. I was trying to find a reasonable trade for St. Kilda which wont happen in a direct trade with Carlton but rather an overall trade involving a number of teams.

A fellow poster suggested that I throw this up on the trade board to see what the reaction is.

To Adelaide: Jordan Russell
To St. Kilda from Carlton via Adelaide: Jack Gunston

Why for Adelaide? Russell's age puts him right into Adelaide's young leadership group. At this point of his career he's a much surer thing than what draft pick(s) they could pick up this year would be. At his best he is a potential All-Australian squad selection.

Why for St. Kilda? They need another key position forward. Nick Riewoldt is getting no younger and Justin Koschitzke has proven to be inept at holding down a key position for them and that is highly unlikely to change going forward. The Saints get a young gun in Gunston who can grow into being their #1 key forward without the pressure of having to be IT from day one.

To Fremantle: Paul Bower
To St. Kilda from Carlton via Fremantle: Dockers compensation pick for Rhys Palmer

Why for Fremantle? WA boy returns home. Injury prone but perhaps being home and in a warmer climate would help him with those soft tissue injuries. They appear keen.

To Port Adelaide: Shaun Hampson
To St. Kilda from Carlton via Port Adelaide: 2nd round pick
To Carlton from Port Adelaide: Nick Salter

Why for Port Adelaide? In need of a ruck man. Offered pick #9 to the Blues a couple of seasons ago for Hampson. Has developed rather nicely this year although injuries killed his senior team season. Would be a quality player for the Power.

Why for Carlton? Salter has proven himself time and again in the SANFL competition as a quality goal kicking forward. However, has almost always been played in defense when given opportunity in the Power team. He could be a good addition to our forward line.

To St. Kilda: Carlton's first round pick (#25)
To Carlton: Brendan Goddard

Total to St. Kilda: Jack Gunston, Carlton's first round pick, Docker's compo pick (Palmer), Port's second round pick

To Carlton: Brendan Goddard and Nick Salter
From Carlton: Jordan Russell, Shaun Hampson, Paul Bower, our first

That's what I would view as a realistic offer to get Brendan to Carlton.

Personally, I feel that Carlton doesn't have a big chance at netting Goddard in trade. I believe that St. Kilda will likely either keep him and let him go to GWS for the money in return for tier one concessions and bottom out the following season and get two of the top four picks in the draft for finishing bottom three (say #3 (their own pick) and #4 (the pick immediately following theirs compensation) or trade him elsewhere if they can't get him to sign an extension. I wouldn't be surprised to see a team like Geelong try and trump Carlton's offer (they have to have some cap room available now that they've lost Ablett and have a number of highly paid veterans retiring) or even GWS offer something like the mini draft pick for Jags and their ninth pick or GCS offering pick #4 and Josh Toy. So before posting please try and remember that this suggestion was only a hypothetical in seeing what it would take to get BG to the Blues.

 

[saintsrfreak]

Re: 2011 Trade Prediction's

10/10 for creativity
1/10 for probability

 

[old55]

Re: 2011 Trade Predictions - Part II

I think Darren Jolly might be finished and if so Collingwood should chase Hamish McIntosh. What would North be lookng for? Tyson Goldsack plus something? Sharrod Wellingham?

 

[cotter101]

Re: 2011 Trade Predictions - Part II

I think Darren Jolly might be finished and if so Collingwood should chase Hamish McIntosh. What would North be lookng for? Tyson Goldsack plus something? Sharrod Wellingham?

he would cost to much for them salary wise and trade wise.

 

[Nickos66]

Re: 2011 Trade Predictions - Part II

Rhy Palmer compo pick for Paul Bower?!?

It won't be given up for Mitch Clark let alone PAUL BOWER.

Talk is of him potentially being delisted well before a trade of that magnitude would ever eventuate..

 

[Suma Magic]

Re: 2011 Trade Predictions - Part II

Bower is the new McKinley.

 

[Nickos66]

Re: 2011 Trade Predictions - Part II

A bit harsh, if he could get on the park he'd be good but jeez..

 

[CrimsonButterfly]

Re: 2011 Trade Predictions - Part II

I think Darren Jolly might be finished and if so Collingwood should chase Hamish McIntosh. What would North be lookng for? Tyson Goldsack plus something? Sharrod Wellingham?

Tyson Goldsack PLUS Sharrod Wellingham? I think it'd be the other way around.

I don't think we need either player though. We have young midfielders and I think Collingwood would want a bit to much for Wellingham so getting him and Goldsack together would be asking overs in their eyes. I do like Nathan Brown from them and I wouldn't mind Fasolo aswell.

Don't know what trade would happen though.

 

[Wickzki]

Re: 2011 Trade Predictions - Part II

Talk is of him potentially being delisted well before a trade of that magnitude would ever eventuate..

Where are you hearing this? There is absolutely NO talk of him being delisted.

Freo turning down their compo pick for Mitch Clark? That's just as laughable. You will be paying much more than that for Clark.

 

[Nickos66]

Re: 2011 Trade Predictions - Part II

I'd prefer we handed over our 1st rounder long before we gave up our compo pick. It's not laughable at all..

 

[Roughies Boys]

Re: 2011 Trade Prediction's

Kane Lucas and Brad Crouch are my two main targets for the Bulldogs.

Jesse White, if we could work out a solid deal is another who we should be looking at IMO.

Cheer's Adam for creating part two, but you just have to put the link from part 1