List Mgmt. Trade targets 2022

afl2004 · Sep 19, 2022

No doubt we got told about the lions offer and upped our salary just not the extra year , it's never as "oh sweet we escaped there" salary matches are always closer then what the clubs pr tells us

RedBulls · Sep 19, 2022

If you look at everyone we've targeted in the last few years, Luke Parker, Zach Merrett, Josh Dunkley, Tom Mitchell, Jordan Dawson. We're clearly trying to target big players but none saying yes. Only a Tom Rockliff in the same mould has said yes clearly a step down from the other players. I genuine dislike all the hate coming from Hinkley around not signing any of them. I don't think it's a coaching issue it's a board issue. Not paying players what they're actually worth. All of those guys should be around the 800k mark that we haven't landed so they go elsewhere or stay put. Amon has been invaluable to us the last few years and we couldn't even keep him around. Wingard and Polec to a certain extent too.

I don't see this as a massive loss right now where the list is at. Id much prefer to be building a young core than established players but it still hurts that the club doesn't want to be competitive with the big clubs for paying players.

I'd prefer us to pay overs for Pickett now and some other younger top talent. If we want to be serious we need to be competitive about our top players and giving them what they're due or we're just going to turn into a farmer club for the club's that do want to be serious about acquiring talent

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longdonkey · Sep 19, 2022

Powerage said:
Who says we are getting 19? I'd be pretty thrilled if you are suggesting that is our compensation pick for Amon.

How do we turn pick 19 into 11 or 12? We either have to give up picks from next years draft or trade a player of pretty decent value.

I doubt Philippou & Busslinger are both there at 9 and 11 but granted we would hopefully get a couple of decent players with those picks fingers crossed.

I think that we could look at doing something like this.

We should look at trading a couple players to North Melbourne to get their 2nd just given to them by the AFL.
Contract the guys who are still waiting on new contracts for one year unless they can be replaced with a superior DFA which you contract for 1 year
During live trading trade out North 2nd Rounder and Amon compo for late first round picks.
Next year bring in quality free agents plus 3 first round kids plus 1 second round kid
New coach can make aggressive decisions to bring in players needed to change our game plan (example tall defender)
Plus we use our Pick 8/9 to get a quality kid this year plus we retain all quality under 25 year old players

It Just Is · Sep 19, 2022

manureid said:
Wonder if Brisbanes offer increased substantially following getting thrashed in the Prelim? Might have swung Dunkleys decision.

Anyway, happy to use pick 8 and not get some sweet sweet Ken Hinkley sugar hit player in to help us finish 8th and get that arsehat extended.

Na this would have been locked up weeks, if not months, ago and it was obvious when we didn’t here from Dunkley within 48hrs of the Dogs season ending. Only hack journalists in Adelaide thought otherwise.

JimmyBC · Sep 19, 2022

Dodged bullet we have enough ball burners by foot.

Jason K · Sep 19, 2022

A lot of posters worried that Dunkley may have helped Hinkles make finals. I don't want Dunkley (I really want Phillipou) so it suits me but I think we are not a chance in hell of making finals next year.

Reasons:
Hinkles gamepan is stale and he's too proud to change it.
They aren't changing enough of the football and fitness programs. (1 change of Monty out/Carr in LMFAO)
They're still not replacing Voss.
Lycett will be back as our #1 ruck
Our (small) tall backs are now small and old, not just small (unfortunately think Pasini's setback will make him unplayable for most of this year)
Membership will be down, vindicating the parts of the playing group that don't like donuts.

Someone like Clarkson that eats and breathes football and has a burning desire to win could probably coach forever, but Ken "there's more to life than football" Hinkles will struggle to find new ideas. Every coach in the league knows what we'll be doing next year. 1/2 of them will know before donuts knows.

Enviable Tradition · Sep 19, 2022

The best bit about missing on Dunkley is all the Crows insecurities on show in the Dunkley thread of the D+T board.

2 out of 3 posts are Crowies gloating over Port missing out on a player many of us are quite happy to miss.

Us getting Dunkley must have been really worrying them lol.

afl2004 · Sep 19, 2022

We will throw 2 1st round picks at pickett the club desperately needs something to make the members excited.

2016 off season fans were not happy and ready to not buy memberships then the trio signings and we broke our membership record

Getting dunkley would of got some members back

Sewer de Lance · Sep 19, 2022

Powerage said:
Who says we are getting 19? I'd be pretty thrilled if you are suggesting that is our compensation pick for Amon.

How do we turn pick 19 into 11 or 12? We either have to give up picks from next years draft or trade a player of pretty decent value.

I doubt Philippou & Busslinger are both there at 9 and 11 but granted we would hopefully get a couple of decent players with those picks fingers crossed.

We have a solid nucleus of young players coming through already, & another successful hit at the draft now could potentially set us up for the next decade.

There’s no certainties on Draft night, but every due diligence should be made to provide us the best opportunity to address our current list deficiencies, with an potential elite KPD being on top of the list. There is a good chance Busslingers name will be called out in the 10-15 window, so why not have a crack? We might be able to incorporate next years future 1st or 2nd round selection to make it work, I’m not sure.

It also wouldn’t surprise me if the club made a big play for an established KPD during trade week. There’s no way known we will head into next year relying on Clurey, Mackenzie & Jonas as our KD pillars. I think Ken even realises that now.

raptalia · Sep 19, 2022

afl2004 said:
We will throw 2 1st round picks at pickett the club desperately needs something to make the members excited.

2016 off season fans were not happy and ready to not buy memberships then the trio signings and we broke our membership record

Getting dunkley would of got some members back

If we have so called supporters who are going to jump ship because we do or don't trade the players they want they can stay away. We should be in the business of trading to win Premierships not to appease fn fickle supporters.

P4Life · Sep 19, 2022

RedBulls said:
If you look at everyone we've targeted in the last few years, Luke Parker, Zach Merrett, Josh Dunkley, Tom Mitchell, Jordan Dawson. We're clearly trying to target big players but none saying yes. Only a Tom Rockliff in the same mould has said yes clearly a step down from the other players. I genuine dislike all the hate coming from Hinkley around not signing any of them. I don't think it's a coaching issue it's a board issue. Not paying players what they're actually worth. All of those guys should be around the 800k mark that we haven't landed so they go elsewhere or stay put. Amon has been invaluable to us the last few years and we couldn't even keep him around. Wingard and Polec to a certain extent too.

I don't see this as a massive loss right now where the list is at. Id much prefer to be building a young core than established players but it still hurts that the club doesn't want to be competitive with the big clubs for paying players.

I'd prefer us to pay overs for Pickett now and some other younger top talent. If we want to be serious we need to be competitive about our top players and giving them what they're due or we're just going to turn into a farmer club for the club's that do want to be serious about acquiring talent

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To me it is obvious, getting other states' home grown established players to SA is just about impossible. Think about it, every other state is a much more desirable place to live if you are playing AFL. As South Australians we might see it as desirable but a 25yo with the world at their feet, move on.
As such i think we have to target South Australians and if it requires a bit of an overpayment so be it. As much as it irks me, I can see the Crows following this strategy with Dawson and Rankine. If we have to pay overs for Pickett get it done. Geelong seems to be able to get every ex Geelong Falcons player they want we need to start getting aggressive in this space.

afl2004 · Sep 19, 2022

raptalia said:
If we have so called supporters who are going to jump ship because we do or don't trade the players they want they can stay away. We should be in the business of trading to win Premierships not to appease fn fickle supporters.

Koch is our president

klem22 · Sep 19, 2022

RedBulls said:
If you look at everyone we've targeted in the last few years, Luke Parker

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. We're clearly trying to target big players but none saying yes. Only a Tom Rockliff

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in the same mould has said yes clearly a step down from the other players. I genuine dislike all the hate coming from Hinkley around not signing any of them. I don't think it's a coaching issue it's a board issue. Not paying players what they're actually worth. All of those guys should be around the 800k mark that we haven't landed so they go elsewhere or stay put. Amon has been invaluable to us the last few years and we couldn't even keep him around. Wingard and Polec to a certain extent too.

I don't see this as a massive loss right now where the list is at. Id much prefer to be building a young core than established players but it still hurts that the club doesn't want to be competitive with the big clubs for paying players.

I'd prefer us to pay overs for Pickett now and some other younger top talent. If we want to be serious we need to be competitive about our top players and giving them what they're due or we're just going to turn into a farmer club for the club's that do want to be serious about acquiring talent

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Port is not a destination club despite all the bulldust coming from koch and hernkley i suggest you forget about Pickett also. hernkley has coached this club into oblivion thanks to the 10 year mandate supplied by koch and the non entity of a coach players do not see Port atm as a viable premiership contender with the current mob.

longdonkey · Sep 19, 2022

P4Life said:
To me it is obvious, getting other states' home grown established players to SA is just about impossible. Think about it, every other state is a much more desirable place to live if you are playing AFL. As South Australians we might see it as desirable but a 25yo with the world at their feet, move on.
As such i think we have to target South Australians and if it requires a bit of an overpayment so be it. As much as it irks me, I can see the Crows following this strategy with Dawson and Rankine. If we have to pay overs for Pickett get it done. Geelong seems to be able to get every ex Geelong Falcons player they want we need to start getting aggressive in this space.

Well it would be smarter to pick them at the draft rather than having to pay overs for them to come home at a later date.

If we have a choice between a player from SA or a player from particularly Melbourne and there isn't much quality difference go local. Its probably easier to do at the back end of the draft where we never take players except father/sons because we have traded the picks out.

Andre · Sep 19, 2022

Shaucob_Burjan said:
I actually hate how the AFL salary cap works in that offering omega money to non AFL superstars doesn't punish the club

Like North didn't get punished whatsoever offering big bucks to Polec.

It's hard to get an ideal system. If you let clubs go too low a percent of the cap as their spend on an ongoing basis then you'll entrench two classes of clubs, where rich clubs pay the full cap and have the best players and poor clubs never do. However paying too much on spuds doesn't help either. The AFL is on the right track of being able to underspend then overspend, but should expand that to paying as low as 85% for 2-3 years, then up to 115% over 2-3 years to allow even a club as shit as North to offer big enough bucks with a front loaded salary to attract (some) players.

Of course like almost everything in the AFL the issues are made worse due to having too many Victorian clubs. When players wanting back to Victoria have 10 clubs to choose from why would you choose the least supported one, with less non-football opportunities (Footy shows, ASA deals etc.)? If it was 8 Vic clubs and 9 non-Vic (Inc. Tassie), then players trying to get there wouldn't find it so easy and the smaller of those left would be able to attract more of the players, rather than Richmond, Geelong, Hawks (for ex-Port players) or Collingwood getting them all. For the non-Vic's there'd be more chance of trading players for a reasonable return to Vic clubs, since there'd be more chance a non-Vic club could take a chance on grabbing a player if the Vic club acted as a dick.

JimmyBC · Sep 19, 2022

SPP should be playing more midfield & Carr will probably influence it, there's ya extra big mid with a dodgy leg (although a nicer action than Wines) .. Dunkley not needed or as tough.

Powerage · Sep 19, 2022

Sewer de Lance said:
We have a solid nucleus of young players coming through already, & another successful hit at the draft now could potentially set us up for the next decade.

There’s no certainties on Draft night, but every due diligence should be made to provide us the best opportunity to address our current list deficiencies, with an potential elite KPD being on top of the list. There is a good chance Busslingers name will be called out in the 10-15 window, so why not have a crack? We might be able to incorporate next years future 1st or 2nd round selection to make it work, I’m not sure.

It also wouldn’t surprise me if the club made a big play for an established KPD during trade week. There’s no way known we will head into next year relying on Clurey, Mackenzie & Jonas as our KD pillars. I think Ken even realises that now.

I'm not saying I don't like the idea of two drafts picks in the top 15. I'm just questioning how we would get there. I'm not sure I like the idea of trading out next year's 1st and I don't think next year's second and 19 (if we get it) is going to get us 11-12. I'm not sure about trading next years second in what is meant to be a stronger draft. I am all for trading a half back flanker because we have more than we need of those. That alone with pick 19 won't get us a pick several places higher. We would need the equivalent of pick 38 to swing that according to the draft calculator. And if we got that WC would want it for Rioli because they aren't going to accept pick 51.

bomberclifford · Sep 19, 2022

Shaucob_Burjan said:
Like North didn't get punished whatsoever offering big bucks to Polec.

Depends how you look at it. I'd say they've well and truly suffered as a result of that decision.

MrChow · Sep 19, 2022

actually think it is probably the best that Dunkley had gone to Bris. I think our best shot at flags will be in 3-9 years from now. Dunkley doesn’t fully cover that window.

Hitting the draft for early picks this year and next is really valuable for us (or going for Pickett/JHF)

Targeting some free agents would be good - feel like we haven’t had one for a while

Marmozet · Sep 19, 2022

PatientMental said:
You could find the positives in a wet cummy sock couldnt you

I want to hear his spin on why it was the correct decision all along to sack Hinkley.

And I could do with it right now!

Powerade 08 · Sep 19, 2022

P4Life said:
To me it is obvious, getting other states' home grown established players to SA is just about impossible. Think about it

Ok, I have thought about it and you are wrong. When things were going good, we got Dixon, Ryder, Rockliff, White, etc.

We even got Jack Watts to leave Melb for SA, probably the last player you would expect to make that move.

2006_Eagles · Sep 19, 2022

MrChow said:
actually think it is probably the best that Dunkley had gone to Bris. I think our best shot at flags will be in 3-9 years from now. Dunkley doesn’t fully cover that window.

Hitting the draft for early picks this year and next is really valuable for us (or going for Pickett/JHF)

Targeting some free agents would be good - feel like we haven’t had one for a while

Rioli Jnr????

davo999 · Sep 19, 2022

Had an Uber driver Friday night that was a mad W Bulldogs supporter from Melbourne . He told me why would you want Dunkley , he’s an inside bull that can’t kick just like Ollie Wines and you don’t need two . Made me worried about getting him so I’m not too fussed now . Looks like we have to pay overs for Victorians and we don’t want to end up with a salary cap squeeze when Rozee, Butters etc get their big deals coming up

Willsy10 · Sep 19, 2022

Happy to keep pick 8 for someone that actually wants to come here but I still hope Dunkley and his missus separate over this. **** them both.

PatientMental · Sep 19, 2022

Willsy10 said:
Happy to keep pick 8 for someone that actually wants to come here but I still hope Dunkley his missus separate over this. * them both.

Carn, being used as a bargaining chip isn't that bad

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