List Mgmt. Trade targets 2022

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Ford Fairlane said:
Trading with Dodoro

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Francis isn’t much chop and I’d very much doubt you have to deal with the Dodo as Francis is probably a realistic chance of being cut
 
rumoursofwinter said:
Our key defender situation is woeful.

Jonas - not really a key defender. Retires in a year.
McKenzie - not really a key defender. Retires in a year.
Allir Allir - nice intercept defender. Almost 28.
Tom Clurey - decent undersized key defender. 28.
Skinner - delist at end if year.
Pasani - undersized, zero games, acl.

We have nada.
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In fairness they have moved Ollie Lord to CHB in recent games, this is a smart move
 
powerrrrrrrrrrrr said:
They may not be great but our list decisions have really dug a whole in the KPD department that I think at some point, we will be required to grab one of these type of players.

We’re not going to trade a high quality KPD as it will cost to much and we have no one else.

I know I’ve been whinging about our KPD stocks for years but we just can’t keep going forward with Jonas and Mckenzie. Then there’s the fact we don’t have a single quality young promising KPD developing on the list and we’re stuffed.

Cordy at least has some height and has been a key cog in the dogs backline for years until Keath came along.

These type of players will give us 2-3 years service, draft a KPD this year and provides time for them to develop.
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Our key defender position is bad, but it’s bad because we don’t have young kids coming through, or better players than Jonas / clurey.

Adding worse players than Jonas and clurey that are not young players doesn’t address either issue.

It might be hard to shake free a quality key defender, so to the draft we go.

Also, you’re wrong about not having a single quality young key defender coming through. Pasini is a very exciting key defender. We absolutely should have blooded him this year if not for our dumb as **** stubborn coach. I’ve watched pasini since we drafted him, he looked like a decent prospect, but this year he made a massive jump forward and he displayed the most consistent and exciting form I’ve seen a key defender display at that level for us.

But obviously an acl is a setback, and we need more than just him to rely on.
 

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philthy05 said:
Our key defender position is bad, but it’s bad because we don’t have young kids coming through, or better players than Jonas / clurey.

Adding worse players than Jonas and clurey that are not young players doesn’t address either issue.

It might be hard to shake free a quality key defender, so to the draft we go.

Also, you’re wrong about not having a single quality young key defender coming through. Pasini is a very exciting key defender. We absolutely should have blooded him this year if not for our dumb as * stubborn coach. I’ve watched pasini since we drafted him, he looked like a decent prospect, but this year he made a massive jump forward and he displayed the most consistent and exciting form I’ve seen a key defender display at that level for us.

But obviously an acl is a setback, and we need more than just him to rely on.
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My concern is that I expect Jonas and McKenzie’s performance to drop of a cliff very quick over the next 12-24 months (if they don’t retire) and it takes a number of years to develop a young key defender from the draft.

Hence why I think we need a cheapish stop gap player to fill a desperate need for 2-3 years while those draftees develop and outperform those 30+ aged players.

I’m also not included Pasini in the category of a young developing player anymore. Next year will be a recovery year still and he won’t be likely ready to step up to AFL level until 2024 then. By then he’s close to 24yrs old and will be completely unknown at AFL level.

If we enter 2024 with KPD lineup including a 20yd old developing draftee, an untried Pasini at AFL level and an aging Clurey (leaving Aliir free to play his best role as an interceptor), I think we’ll be in just as much of a hole.

A stop gap defender with a mature body and experience will at least provide support and stability to take pressure off our hopefully draftee or cover injuries.

Of course with our list management we are just as likely to not even draft one and continue to ignore that gap.
 
I wouldnt mind cordy as a lock down tall defender or Highmore as a third tall. They would both come very cheap and improve the squad. Its a bit surprising Poulter has struggled to get gametime this year. Maybe McRae doesn't rate him.
 
powerrrrrrrrrrrr said:
My concern is that I expect Jonas and McKenzie’s performance to drop of a cliff very quick over the next 12-24 months (if they don’t retire) and it takes a number of years to develop a young key defender from the draft.

Hence why I think we need a cheapish stop gap player to fill a desperate need for 2-3 years while those draftees develop and outperform those 30+ aged players.

I’m also not included Pasini in the category of a young developing player anymore. Next year will be a recovery year still and he won’t be likely ready to step up to AFL level until 2024 then. By then he’s close to 24yrs old and will be completely unknown at AFL level.

If we enter 2024 with KPD lineup including a 20yd old developing draftee, an untried Pasini at AFL level and an aging Clurey (leaving Aliir free to play his best role as an interceptor), I think we’ll be in just as much of a hole.

A stop gap defender with a mature body and experience will at least provide support and stability to take pressure off our hopefully draftee or cover injuries.

Of course with our list management we are just as likely to not even draft one and continue to ignore that gap.
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And Francis isn’t the guy to do that.
 
Yea we should let the club know to pick one of the KPDs off the overflowing WAFL, SANFL and VFL fruit trees. Or maybe take one of the not at all in demand 2m athletic intercepting, rebound, lockdown defenders from another club. I’m sure north would let McKay go cheap or perhaps we nab De Koning from Geelong for a second rounder.

Our defence has been near the top of defences over the last few years. It’s generally held together well. Hawkins and some other talls have got us but they’ve also got most sides in the league. Buddy kicked 6 on the ‘next coming of Christ’ Alex Rance, several years back. It would be nice if Jonas was Tom Stewart and McKenzie was Harris Andrews but they aren’t and they’ve still done bloody well. Generally when a side has got us, it hasn’t been the defence’s fault as much as a terrible midfield showing or our press has fallen down.

Defenders tend to age well, wouldn’t surprise me if Jonas and McKenzie had another 2-3 years on the list. Wouldn’t surprise me if they retired either. They are cheap and reliable and will provide guidance to the next lot coming through, I wouldn’t rush them out the door. I suspect the Crows, North, Hawthorn, Essendon, GWS, the Suns, Carlton, Collingwood and the Dogs would jump at the chance of having reliable Jonas/Clurey/McKenzie in their back lines.

We have an up and coming defender in Pasini. I’m more circumspect on his chances but trust Philthy and others who think he has as good chance of making it.

We selected a ‘in case of emergency’ defender in Skinner (I thought we should have gone Talia for this purpose).

We are trialling Lord back there.

Out of interest, what more do people want or expect of the club?
 
I think we'll get Francis in much the same way we got Jack Watts, only younger.

If the price is right it's a gamble worth taking.
 
Ely Smith - are we still keen?

How about Lachie Fogarty? Small, pressure forward? Toby Bedford or Mitch Crowden likewise.
 

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The other I wonder about is Sydney Stack. High risk, high regard.
 
powerrrrrrrrrrrr said:
Both mentioned in today’s AFL article, Aaron Francis or Zaine Cordy both key defenders and out of contract. Aged 24/25 and fill a quick gap while we draft and develop the position.

Neither are amazing pickups but dare say they would offer more than Jonas going forward for a few years and we’ve dug this hole with terrible list management.
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**** me. Jonas is a club captain, two time AA squad, 200 game player. Aaron Francis and Zaine Cordy can't get games at two clubs with arguably the worst KPD stocks in the league. The grass isn't always greener. They're not fit to tie TJ's boots.
 
Aaron Francis is genuinely a terrible footballer. Has gone through some tough stuff which probably impacted his career but he is still terrible. Has had a 5+ year career basically off the back of draft pick alone.

Cordy is an adequate C grade player but I'd rather we go for a younger less exposed player and see what they are like.
 
Schulzenfest said:
* me. Jonas is a club captain, two time AA squad, 200 game player. Aaron Francis and Zaine Cordy can't get games at two clubs with arguably the worst KPD stocks in the league. The grass isn't always greener. They're not fit to tie TJ's boots.
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TJ has been a great clubman absolutely but he will be 32 by time next season starts and not a part of our next premiership attempt.

Is the other solution we just hope he continues to play another 5 years as currently we don’t have any replacements? drafting an 18yr old KPD won’t address the hole either as they will need 3/4 years development to be in a position to hold their own. That leaves us with a massive gap in our list and no one to fill it.

We don’t need an AA quality defender but we need someone in that 24/25 age bracket that can hold down a position. I don’t think Pasini is that person as he has no game experience and is returning from injury. Heck at least Cordy is a premiership player, played in last years GF and has been around success. Similar to liam Jones, he became a very decent defender at the blues after being a simple role player to fill a gap.

Mckenzie is in the same boat. 31 by early next year and we again have no replacement waiting and developing that we can call on.
 
Francis as a DFA wouldn’t be a problem.
Min salary and wouldn’t matter if he spent 2 years at the Magpies.

We draft Busslinger as we probably should he’s going to get games early and by the time we have 50 games into both he and Pasini we no longer have a problem.
 
If Francis comes free Id be ok, but i wouldnt trade for him.

Cordy would be alright as a stop gap.

Borlase I think is too slow, but i reckon he’ll get another year at Adelaide.

McAsey again, too slow, maybe for a 4th rounder. That would be it
 
Macca19 said:
If Francis comes free Id be ok, but i wouldnt trade for him.

Cordy would be alright as a stop gap.

Borlase I think is too slow, but i reckon he’ll get another year at Adelaide.

McAsey again, too slow, maybe for a 4th rounder. That would be it
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Id give up a 3rd round or later for Francis, I'd risk a 2nd for McAsey and hope he's a late bloomer and I'd pick up Borlase as a DFA on the rookie list.

Only one of Francis or McAsey or similar player that we give up picks for.
 
I would be targeting Harrison Petty and Brennan Cox. Both really good key defenders and South Aussies too.
 
Macca19 said:
Borlase I think is too slow, but i reckon he’ll get another year at Adelaide.
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I wonder if the Clowns will give him a taste in the remaining games. Surprised Newchurch hasn't had a go yet either, seems to kick a few goals in the SNAFL every week, but he's obviously no James Rowe.
 
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