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[arupist]

I'm with Roger. I am not a fan at all. If he becomes a best-22 player, the side has entered re-build mode.

 

[TheFourPillars]

Stratts may have to play taller and on the more mobile forwards leaving Litherland to take the small goal sneaks which is perfect for him has the pace and size. He will most likely be the first cab

 

[TyHawk]

Problem is that stratts isn't a great kick either so one of stratts or Gus need to play small lock down defender and the other as a chb. Gus has the height but he isn't particularly strong so I see him and the similar Heatherly finding it difficult to come into the side unless Birchall, Duryea and Burgoyne miss games.
Same thing with Sicily, we already have similar types in Gunno and Breust ! The only ares that are open imo are the Ruck ( Cegs) , one more inside mid who can play forward ( langers/o'rourke/ Lovell) and another runner (Hartung/ Gus).

 

[Brant]

I thought Litherland might take Stratton's lock-down role next year which would allow Stratton to be released a bit.

Yeah I reckon we'll see that a bit.

With Lake & Frawley in the same side we saw Stratts complete some nasty shutdowns on highly (over)rated players, so much so that even people on here were wondering why he was out of form due to his lack of rebound. By default we'll be smaller & quicker next year so we may as well increase our rebounding ability.

In saying this, I won't be surprised to see Popeye in defence a bit next year (or maybe even Cyril, in spurts).

I'd love to see opponents go tall & try to stretch us, forgetting that their talls will tire in the last quarter when our runners are taking off. I also think that clubs will under-estimate Clarko. People see Lake retiring & suggest that we'll be a KPD down, as if Clarko will apply the same Game Plan & simply hope for the best. What should be as obvious as Day following Night (given that he's done it the last 3 years) is that he'll change our Game Plan & we'll find an advantage in Lake's absence.

Frankly, I'd love to see an opponent play 3x Tall forwards trying to stretch us & for us to throw a tackle machine like Popeye (or Cyril) back there as the 7th defender. (Literally) Any time we bring the ball to ground, Popeye gets a tackle & their forwards become liabilities whilst we bring Smith & Brad Hill to HBF & Gunston to the wing whilst Roughy & Schoey lead from CHF toward the ball carrier with a ruckman resting 1-out at FF (with Popeye/Cyril at his feet)...

Good night opponent... Next!

 

[Gralin]

Yeah I reckon we'll see that a bit.

With Lake & Frawley in the same side we saw Stratts complete some nasty shutdowns on highly (over)rated players, so much so that even people on here were wondering why he was out of form due to his lack of rebound. By default we'll be smaller & quicker next year so we may as well increase our rebounding ability.

In saying this, I won't be surprised to see Popeye in defence a bit next year (or maybe even Cyril, in spurts).

I'd love to see opponents go tall & try to stretch us, forgetting that their talls will tire in the last quarter when our runners are taking off. I also think that clubs will under-estimate Clarko. People see Lake retiring & suggest that we'll be a KPD down, as if Clarko will apply the same Game Plan & simply hope for the best. What should be as obvious as Day following Night (given that he's done it the last 3 years) is that he'll change our Game Plan & we'll find an advantage in Lake's absence.

Frankly, I'd love to see an opponent play 3x Tall forwards trying to stretch us & for us to throw a tackle machine like Popeye (or Cyril) back there as the 7th defender. (Literally) Any time we bring the ball to ground, Popeye gets a tackle & their forwards become liabilities whilst we bring Smith & Brad Hill to HBF & Gunston to the wing whilst Roughy & Schoey lead from CHF toward the ball carrier with a ruckman resting 1-out at FF (with Popeye/Cyril at his feet)...

Good night opponent... Next!

Funny thing about that is according to most experts we went tall into the GF against WC.
I think it was lethal who said players get slower when they tire bit they don't get shorter.
We beat tall forward lines on the ground, we beat tall back lines on the ground
Will be interesting next year

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[Brant]

Funny thing about that is according to most experts we went tall into the GF against WC.
I think it was lethal who said players get slower when they tire bit they don't get shorter.
We beat tall forward lines on the ground, we beat tall back lines on the ground
Will be interesting next year

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Are they the same experts that picked WCE to win & used 'us being too tall' as rationalisation for their picks? Wouldn't they be the embarassed ones, not me referencing it as a strength?

Influential marking forwards - the best ones - hope to take about 12 marks per game: the best ones of all time hope to do so maybe 4 inside 50m & maybe 2.5 contested.

I agree with the bolded bit, but I think we're better than just beating the best backlines on the ground - I think we can beat them on the lead & on the overlap.

 

[Gralin]

Are they the same experts that picked WCE to win & used 'us being too tall' as rationalisation for their picks? Wouldn't they be the embarassed ones, not me referencing it as a strength?

Influential marking forwards - the best ones - hope to take about 12 marks per game: the best ones of all time hope to do so maybe 4 inside 50m & maybe 2.5 contested.

I agree with the bolded bit, but I think we're better than just beating the best backlines on the ground - I think we can beat them on the lead & on the overlap.

The interesting thing will be some teams go short with a reduced cap some will go tall, I think we will do both and some other things during the year to work out what works best for us in finals.
I think one of our strengths is the willingness to try things but also if our game plan isnt working to change as required.
Very interested to see the tactics we bring next year

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[cryptor]

Funny thing about that is according to most experts we went tall into the GF against WC.
I think it was lethal who said players get slower when they tire bit they don't get shorter.
We beat tall forward lines on the ground, we beat tall back lines on the ground
Will be interesting next year

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Thing about our talls are that they are very mobile. Even Lake was able to keep up with all the running and was often able to push up high with guys like Hawkins and Cloke who thought they could use their own mobility to their advantage.

That said Lake and Hale were probably the 2 least mobile players from our GF side.

 

[Brant]

The interesting thing will be some teams go short with a reduced cap some will go tall, I think we will do both and some other things during the year to work out what works best for us in finals.
I think one of our strengths is the willingness to try things but also if our game plan isnt working to change as required.
Very interested to see the tactics we bring next year

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My issue with the 'experts' thinking we went tall into the GF.

Those idiots clearly (I hope so, for their sake) went into the game making their assumptions on paper.

They figured that WCE would have their own way all over the ground, the same as they had all year; &, that we'd be caught out tall with their mix of tall/small forwards. How none of them thought we'd smash them in Defence & Midfield & f*** up their forward entry, rendering their talls as good as useless, is beyond me - didn't those idiots watch the 2014 GF????? FFS, it's the same coach & 20-ish of the same guys - how did those morons think we'd suddenly forget how to brutalise an opponent at every contest, all over the ground?

It isn't like WCE had a forward combo as effective as Buddy/Tippett... It was flagrant ineptitude, if not ignorance, to assume that we'd be less effective in 2015 than we were in 2014...

Strangely enough, brutalising our inept opponent at every contest - even when they didn't have the ball, resulted in the same result - regardless their silly colours... That commentators think that us being tall/short was to be an issue in the 2015 GF shows that they have very little understanding as to how we won the GF in 2014.

 

[Gralin]

My issue with the 'experts' thinking we went tall into the GF.

Those idiots clearly (I hope so, for their sake) went into the game making their assumptions on paper.

They figured that WCE would have their own way all over the ground, the same as they had all year; &, that we'd be caught out tall with their mix of tall/small forwards. How none of them thought we'd smash them in Defence & Midfield & f*** up their forward entry, rendering their talls as good as useless, is beyond me - didn't those idiots watch the 2014 GF????? FFS, it's the same coach & 20-ish of the same guys - how did those morons think we'd suddenly forget how to brutalise an opponent at every contest, all over the ground?

It isn't like WCE had a forward combo as effective as Buddy/Tippett... It was flagrant ineptitude, if not ignorance, to assume that we'd be less effective in 2015 than we were in 2014...

Strangely enough, brutalising our inept opponent at every contest - even when they didn't have the ball, resulted in the same result - regardless their silly colours... That commentators think that us being tall/short was to be an issue in the 2015 GF shows that they have very little understanding as to how we won the GF in 2014.

I really don't know how much of it is stupidty, how much is their job of pumping up the game for the masses, and how much is just hoping they get to write about a new victor.
Going too tall is a risk and it was one of our taller teams for the year and we had a few games where we looked top heavy so I can see their thinking, I was a bit nervous

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[Baz_hawk]

I'm on the Brandwagon, don't let me down Brand

 

[MoustachioNuts]

My issue with the 'experts' thinking we went tall into the GF.

Those idiots clearly (I hope so, for their sake) went into the game making their assumptions on paper.

Clarkson make all assumptions on computer.

 

[PhatHQ]

Small or Tall the only questions on a player is can they compete tall & small, can they run out a game, do they have limitations for that particular game?
I think with the departure of Hale & Lake is the end of the "Dinosaur" type for Clarkson. The talls that remain (190cm+) are pretty mobile with some pace or have a decent tank for 4 quarters (big Pitt the one I could single out atm). Versatility will be the key & not a players size alone.

I'm on the Brandwagon, don't let me down Brand

"Brandwagon" is awesome

 

[Argy]

I think with the departure of Hale & Lake is the end of the "Dinosaur" type for Clarkson

This is one of the reasons I have reservations about the potential of Shem to break into the side.

 

[arupist]

It may well be the end of the 'dinosaur type' as you say, Phat, but both had skill sets that made them more than useful.

Hale plays ruck and floating forward to grab big marks and kick goals.
Lake was a superb judge of the ball in flight and negate power forwards.

There is still room for these types of players and I would hate to think we revert back to the Gilham-type KPD simply because they are mobile.

Bwing back Bwian.

 

[cryptor]

This is one of the reasons I have reservations about the potential of Shem to break into the side.

Shem is far closer to Roughy than he is to Lake/Hale in the mobility stakes.

 

[GerryLewis]

I think that with the reduction in interchanges next season we will see games open up a lot earlier than we have in the past (players tiring quicker). Does that mean more one on ones in the forward line due to numbers not being able to flood back quick enough? Will clubs go taller in the hope of exposing smaller back lines? It will certainly be interesting to see how Clarko see's it. I bloody hope Brand and/or Heatherly can make the transition this year, they could be really important. I'm really looking forward to the pre season comp this year to see how all our young players go.

 

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[cryptor]

I think that with the reduction in interchanges next season we will see games open up a lot earlier than we have in the past (players tiring quicker). Does that mean more one on ones in the forward line due to numbers not being able to flood back quick enough? Will clubs go taller in the hope of exposing smaller back lines? It will certainly be interesting to see how Clarko see's it. I bloody hope Brand and/or Heatherly can make the transition this year, they could be really important. I'm really looking forward to the pre season comp this year to see how all our young players go.

My gut feel is that we're the team best placed to take advantage of the interchange cap. We've drafted footballers (as opposed to athletes) who have good endurance as shown by their beep test results. We've also continued to highly value those with clean foot skills which will allow us to maintain possession, control the pace of the game, and most importantly force our opposition to tire running around defending the mark (it's at their own peril if they don't).

I'd expect our first quarters will be pretty low scoring again next season as we focus more on maintaining possession and making the opposition run but then plenty of high scoring second halves as blokes like Smith, Hill, Hartung and Birchall break lines.

 

[Davo23]

I think that with the reduction in interchanges next season we will see games open up a lot earlier than we have in the past (players tiring quicker). Does that mean more one on ones in the forward line due to numbers not being able to flood back quick enough? Will clubs go taller in the hope of exposing smaller back lines? It will certainly be interesting to see how Clarko see's it. I bloody hope Brand and/or Heatherly can make the transition this year, they could be really important. I'm really looking forward to the pre season comp this year to see how all our young players go.

The opposite has been predicted as well.
As players tire quicker, it may encourage teams to closed the game down to compensate, by forcing more stoppages and playing man-on-man to stop any run. It really is an incentive to play "Paul Roos" footy: lots of strong bodies fighting every contest, creating ugly, ugly football.

I don't see it leading to higher scoring, more the opposite.

 

[Argy]

Shem is far closer to Roughy than he is to Lake/Hale in the mobility stakes.

Hmmm... from what I've seen at BHH I'm not sure I agree. Would loved to be proved wrong though.

 

[Coathanger]

Aagh,Is there actually any training news in the training thread????

 

[Argy]

My gut feel is that we're the team best placed to take advantage of the interchange cap.

At the "Inside the Huddle" event this year Clarko said something very similar. He said any time they change the rules we will adapt and adapt faster and better than any other team. Very cocky, but it shows the confidence he has in the coaching and playing group and suggests that we love the challenge!

 

[Steven Tyler]

Aagh,Is there actually any training news in the training thread????

Players are on leave, so no training makes for no training news

Although, my wife told me my gut was getting a little big, (I weigh 72 kgs ffs woman!), so I started doing sit-ups and weight training for my shoulders/arms






I'm so sore I hurt when I cough!

 

[eldorado]

Aagh,Is there actually any training news in the training thread????

Not while they're on the Christmas break, brother...

Anyone know when they resume at Waverley? I'm guessing Monday the 4th of Jan...