A Section VAFA Premier 2019

[Mad Lion]

SKOB won't lose a game for the rest of the season. Too much class, speed and toughness. Also, missing Waite, Brown, Gleeson, J Wood, Kemp, Hodges, Adducci, Coates among others...scary stuff

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I agree SKOB are the team with the most depth of talent and the team to beat in a final but they were always going to set themselves for this one after Xavs knocked them off earlier in the year...id reserve judgement on team's 1st up form after the double bye till we see them this week...SKOB are still 3rd remember...lose this week they are 4th

 

[Mad Lion]

Still liking wesley?

Stick with us Hippster! The Ts aren't a bad side at all...Hunt, Tinney, Howell, Hamilton, Kyriacopoulos, Poliodoris, Steinhart, Thompson, Pacconi, Pohl, Larkey...that's a fair top 11 players...they were good and will test all sides they play...

 

[Bluethroughandthrough]

Even as a DLS past player and current supporter I would be embarrassed if we were to receive points for an 18 goal loss. Will be more embarrassed if we survive in A grade on the basis of an admin breach by another club. Assuming the ebb and flow continues between us and Trinity for 9th position, survival for DLS on this basis alone would be grossly unfair on OT. And that is a view shared by most people I have spoken to around the club. If we don't WIN enough games to justify a place in Premier grade in 2020 then we deserve to go down.

I’m no expert on points so I looked up the policy on-line. There is no reference to school or uni based player’s so I assume this is something the VAFA have come up with. So can someone please tell me how can a bloke who actually went Xavier is not a one pointer but someone who went to RMIT, ACU or another university qualifies as a one pointer for Melbourne University Blues? (who btw played with 44 points on Saturday and this may not survive greater scrutiny either).

The merits of points in amateurs comp could be debated with good arguments on either side. However it was bought in as an equalisation strategy. Allowing 45 points for an old boys club is hardly promoting equalisation anyway.

Fine or warning fair result for a first offence.

Time for some facts on this matter.
In February 2016 when the points system was introduced all club secretary's received notification from the VAFA that to qualify for a school as his home club and therefore a 1 point , he must have played school football and been at the school for a minimum of 2 years.
Robinson from Old Xavs did not fit this criteria as he attended for less than one year. It is there in print, undisputable. It is in the rules and i cannot understand why the VAFA has not acted upon it.
I was also at the game Blues/ De La game Saturday JJ and call bulltish on your comments re De La people not thinking they should get the points. The rules are the rules and i understand most in admin across the Premier A agree for the integrity of the comp that the points should be stripped. This includes my Club Blues and even Trinity who have the most to lose at present from this.

 

[Vince McMahon]

Time for some facts on this matter.
In February 2016 when the points system was introduced all club secretary's received notification from the VAFA that to qualify for a school as his home club and therefore a 1 point , he must have played school football and been at the school for a minimum of 2 years.
Robinson from Old Xavs did not fit this criteria as he attended for less than one year. It is there in print, undisputable. It is in the rules and i cannot understand why the VAFA has not acted upon it.
I was also at the game Blues/ De La game Saturday JJ and call bulltish on your comments re De La people not thinking they should get the points. The rules are the rules and i understand most in admin across the Premier A agree for the integrity of the comp that the points should be stripped. This includes my Club Blues and even Trinity who have the most to lose at present from this.

Someone from Blues talking about integrity, this is getting funnier by the minute. You must be new to the club.

 

[Bluethroughandthrough]

Someone from Blues talking about integrity, this is getting funnier by the minute. You must be new to the club.

Don't be shy Vincent. Feel free to throw as many facts re this as you like and i will respond.

 

[flat footy]

Don't be shy Vincent. Feel free to throw as many facts re this as you like and i will respond.

Vince, the ball is in your court...... Im not across the point system, but if there are rules and they are infringed, the penalty (s) should apply.
Then there can be no argument..I dont think that is asking to much of officialdom..

 

[Captain chaos]

come on vinny,,,let him have it. Surely you can ask him about the 124 ex afl players they have?

Or Gils role?

You must have something Vin!

 

[Doug Hogan 23]

Player points last weekend per team out of 45, with some interesting trends re ex AFL players.
Blues 44- 9 ex AFL
De La 26- zero ex AFL
OM's 31- 3 ex AFL
OB 25- 1 current AFL
Collegians 36- 2 ex AFL
OT 26- zero ex AFL
St B 27- 1 ex AFL
OC 37- 4 ex AFL
SKOB 26- 1 ex AFL
OX 41- 3 ex AFL

 

[Jimmyjack]

Time for some facts on this matter.
In February 2016 when the points system was introduced all club secretary's received notification from the VAFA that to qualify for a school as his home club and therefore a 1 point , he must have played school football and been at the school for a minimum of 2 years.
Robinson from Old Xavs did not fit this criteria as he attended for less than one year. It is there in print, undisputable. It is in the rules and i cannot understand why the VAFA has not acted upon it.
I was also at the game Blues/ De La game Saturday JJ and call bulltish on your comments re De La people not thinking they should get the points. The rules are the rules and i understand most in admin across the Premier A agree for the integrity of the comp that the points should be stripped. This includes my Club Blues and even Trinity who have the most to lose at present from this.

Don’t dispute what you say but when I looked up the actual policy I could not find any reference to this. Likewise I could find nothing on the website or in the VAFA rules about this. I am led to believe that many at HQ were unaware of this either. As such I assume it is VAFA policy applied over AFL policy. Not sure that stacks up.

Call bulltish all you like but would suggest I know more people at my club then you. By virtue of their success there will always be something of an anti Xavs sentiment, but the prevailing view from those I have spoken too is that an old boy playing for an old boys club should be a one pointer. If the rule is two years then so be it but that does not stop the rule from being ridiculous, as is the one about Uni qualification.

I stand by my opinion that taking into account all the facts; namely a 20 goal win, a (highly questionable) 1 point breach, an absurd clause and first offence is that a fine or warning should be issued. I understand that others have a contrary view and respect their opinion.

 

[Bluethroughandthrough]

Don’t dispute what you say but when I looked up the actual policy I could not find any reference to this. Likewise I could find nothing on the website or in the VAFA rules about this. I am led to believe that many at HQ were unaware of this either. As such I assume it is VAFA policy applied over AFL policy. Not sure that stacks up.

Call bulltish all you like but would suggest I know more people at my club then you. By virtue of their success there will always be something of an anti Xavs sentiment, but the prevailing view from those I have spoken too is that an old boy playing for an old boys club should be a one pointer. If the rule is two years then so be it but that does not stop the rule from being ridiculous, as is the one about Uni qualification.

I stand by my opinion that taking into account all the facts; namely a 20 goal win, a (highly questionable) 1 point breach, an absurd clause and first offence is that a fine or warning should be issued. I understand that others have a contrary view and respect their opinion.

 

[Bluethroughandthrough]

IN BLACK AND WHITE!
From: Sam Confait [mailto:sam@vafa.com.au]
Sent: 16 February 2016 2:56 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: Football Operations Update

Good Afternoon to all Club Secretaries,

Please thoroughly read through the following important information and distribute to your club members accordingly.

Player Points System

AFL Victoria Sustainability Program
Please find attached to this email, the AFL Victoria Sustainability Program PDF.

Player Points Calculator
Please find attached to this email, the AFL Victoria Player Points Calculator.

Schools
For a player to qualify for a school as his 'home club' and therefore a 1 point, he must have played school football and been at the school for a minimum of 2 years.

Universities
For a player to qualify for a university as his 'home club' and therefore a 1 point, he must be currently studying at the aligned university. If Alumni players played at your club whilst completing study, they are a 1 point player.

Exemptions
As the VAFA is unique and has alignments that are different to any other league in Australia, Clubs have the ability to apply directly to the VAFA to seek exemption or point deductions.

 

[Doug Hogan 23]

IN BLACK AND WHITE!
From: Sam Confait [mailto:sam@vafa.com.au]
Sent: 16 February 2016 2:56 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: Football Operations Update

Good Afternoon to all Club Secretaries,

Please thoroughly read through the following important information and distribute to your club members accordingly.

Player Points System

AFL Victoria Sustainability Program
Please find attached to this email, the AFL Victoria Sustainability Program PDF.

Player Points Calculator
Please find attached to this email, the AFL Victoria Player Points Calculator.

Schools
For a player to qualify for a school as his 'home club' and therefore a 1 point, he must have played school football and been at the school for a minimum of 2 years.

Universities
For a player to qualify for a university as his 'home club' and therefore a 1 point, he must be currently studying at the aligned university. If Alumni players played at your club whilst completing study, they are a 1 point player.

Exemptions
As the VAFA is unique and has alignments that are different to any other league in Australia, Clubs have the ability to apply directly to the VAFA to seek exemption or point deductions.

You obviously didn't attend Melbourne University because it doesn't specify what the penalties will be if the rules are violated.

 

[Bluethroughandthrough]

What a sad response Hogey. From past readings on this site i thought you better than that.

It seems i have Struck a nerve with the old school tie fraternity. I am actually envious that my Club does not have the capacity to draw on 280 plus year 12 students every year like the Xavs and Skobs. I greatly admire both Clubs capacity to develop a culture that makes it virtually compulsory for old boys to go their way. it is a credit to both Clubs. We do the best we can within the rules to compete and I would hope our efforts to compete are respected. .

Let us however not get diverted from the facts in my previous post. It was clearly stipulated what constitutes a 'home club' school player and Robinson does not qualify. It is indisputable in my opinion but that all it is, an opinion. hopefully that can be respected.

 

[Bluethroughandthrough]

Oh, and Hogey re penalties, there are numerous cases of precedence in a number comps across AFL Vic where the penalties are loss of points. this occurred in instances when the breach was not deliberate. always noted tha tit was done to ensure the integrity of the points system is upheld.

 

[Doug Hogan 23]

What a sad response Hogey. From past readings on this site i thought you better than that.

It seems i have Struck a nerve with the old school tie fraternity. I am actually envious that my Club does not have the capacity to draw on 280 plus year 12 students every year like the Xavs and Skobs. I greatly admire both Clubs capacity to develop a culture that makes it virtually compulsory for old boys to go their way. it is a credit to both Clubs. We do the best we can within the rules to compete and I would hope our efforts to compete are respected. .

Let us however not get diverted from the facts in my previous post. It was clearly stipulated what constitutes a 'home club' school player and Robinson does not qualify. It is indisputable in my opinion but that all it is, an opinion. hopefully that can be respected.

Not sure it was a sad response, I was having a laugh, no offence intended. But you do have access to how many male students with the Uni alignments, 70,000?

 

[Bluethroughandthrough]

Not sure it was a sad response, I was having a laugh, no offence intended. But you do have access to how many male students with the Uni alignments, 70,000?

Appreciate no offence meant. Uni is a very multicultural place and we do the best to get as many with footy ability. Don't think ether of the uni teams miss too many but we Have had to go outside because of the standard set by others like your Club who have done it so well. To have 20 of their premiership team old boys is a wonderful achievement and something we just can't compete with if we rely on Uni attendees only. It is an arms race we had to join. Seems from the earlier data on ex AFL players across Premier A that others either join the chase or B grade or worse beckons for a while .

 

[Chioli]

Time for some facts on this matter.
In February 2016 when the points system was introduced all club secretary's received notification from the VAFA that to qualify for a school as his home club and therefore a 1 point , he must have played school football and been at the school for a minimum of 2 years.
Robinson from Old Xavs did not fit this criteria as he attended for less than one year. It is there in print, undisputable. It is in the rules and i cannot understand why the VAFA has not acted upon it.
I was also at the game Blues/ De La game Saturday JJ and call bulltish on your comments re De La people not thinking they should get the points. The rules are the rules and i understand most in admin across the Premier A agree for the integrity of the comp that the points should be stripped. This includes my Club Blues and even Trinity who have the most to lose at present from this.

Xavs had no idea this was a rule but if it was a rule it should have been posted on the VAFA website not sent in an email (to someone that is no longer at the club). So your assumption is that Robinson is a 6 pointer not a 1? Surely as he went to the school he is not a 6? If he's a 5 Xavs were under the cap. Is there a rule clarifying that clearly says he's a 6 or is that just an assumption? If he had of played a game in the Under 19's in Year 12 what would he be.

 

[Captain chaos]

Appreciate no offence meant. Uni is a very multicultural place and we do the best to get as many with footy ability. Don't think ether of the uni teams miss too many but we Have had to go outside because of the standard set by others like your Club who have done it so well. To have 20 of their premiership team old boys is a wonderful achievement and something we just can't compete with if we rely on Uni attendees only. It is an arms race we had to join. Seems from the earlier data on ex AFL players across Premier A that others either join the chase or B grade or worse beckons for a while .

It was 19 not 20 old boys...fyi

 

[sideswipe]

What a sad response Hogey. From past readings on this site i thought you better than that.

It seems i have Struck a nerve with the old school tie fraternity. I am actually envious that my Club does not have the capacity to draw on 280 plus year 12 students every year like the Xavs and Skobs. I greatly admire both Clubs capacity to develop a culture that makes it virtually compulsory for old boys to go their way. it is a credit to both Clubs. We do the best we can within the rules to compete and I would hope our efforts to compete are respected. .

Let us however not get diverted from the facts in my previous post. It was clearly stipulated what constitutes a 'home club' school player and Robinson does not qualify. It is indisputable in my opinion but that all it is, an opinion. hopefully that can be respected.

You clearly didn’t attend Melbourne University if, based on your past readings, you thought old Doug was better than anything.


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[Captain chaos]

You clearly didn’t attend Melbourne University if, based on your past readings, you thought old Doug was better than anything.

I assume you are referring to The University of Melbourne?

 

[sideswipe]

I assume you are referring to The University of Melbourne?

Well, yes. That's how the degree on my wall reads, but neither I, nor any of my alumni, ever called it that.

Edit: presume you lived in at Ormond or Trinity after finishing at Grammar?

 

[Mad Lion]

The biggest round of the year coming up here....some huge games....8th and 9th are equal on points...there's 8 points between 7th and 3rd and 6 points between 4th and 2nd...
Old Xavs by 13 points
St Kevin's by 23 points
Old Brighton by 8 points
Old Trinity by 54 points
Old Melburnians by 28 points

 

[hansie]

Well, yes. That's how the degree on my wall reads, but neither I, nor any of my alumni, ever called it that.

Edit: presume you lived in at Ormond or Trinity after finishing at Grammar?

Now now enough with the assumptions chaos went to grammar....


(He May have gone to College)


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[sideswipe]

Now now enough with the assumptions chaos went to grammar....


(He May have gone to College)


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Not an assumption. The Captain certainly was an OGs man. An OG OG as the kids these days might say.

 

[From45SlightAngle]

OB by 1 point in the Battle of the Free Folk.
OT by 51
SKOBAFL by 33
OXAFL by 3
OMs by 27