Cars & Transportation Vent about all things traffic

[eddiesmith]

Yep. This.

Simply untrue.

My in laws are in Seymour so we go back regularly and I usually do more than 110 and have never been pinged.

They’ve obviously got a bit of leeway on them, but from the Government’s own website…

Point-to-Point (P2P) and Instantaneous systems​

The Hume Freeway and Peninsula Link camera systems include both point-to-point(calculating the average speed based on a vehicle travelling a known distance from 1 point to the next) and instantaneous (capturing the speed of a vehicle at the location of the camera) speed detection.

Hume Freeway​

• Activated for point-to-point detection in April 2007.
• Activated for instantaneous detection in August 2012.
• 28 cameras at 14 separate locations along the Hume Freeway (7 northbound and 7 southbound locations).
• Cameras capture traffic travelling in both directions, with active point-to-point cameras effectively creating 6 northbound and 6 southbound P2P zones.

Road safety camera system locations

Camera systems and point-to-point cameras are located in key areas of Victoria's road network.

www.vic.gov.au

Didn't realise that.

Yeah I didn’t either, I always slowed down for them anyway and as I travel it a lot I decided to check and found the above.

 

[Jatz]

Our point to point cameras in NSW only pick up trucks.

I still wouldn't want to test that by averaging 150kmh between them in a car though.

 

[rocker_oz33]

As north jr finished school almost two weeks ago, am enjoying a lack of traffic

Did you drive around looking and doing Helloween?


A house down the street had at 50 cars out the front of it , street was almost blocked.
They always do Helloween, Christmas display in their front yard they do a good job ...was not fun going past their place on Helloween...

 

[peternorth]

Did you drive around looking and doing Helloween?


A house down the street had at 50 cars out the front of it , street was almost blocked.
They always do Helloween, Christmas display in their front yard they do a good job ...was not fun going past their place on Helloween...

 

[rocker_oz33]

Got a $10 toll going though the tunnels though sdyney.
Org though it was a scam email .
Only ten bucks the tunnels were good to drive though.

 

[brutus76]

Just moved from QLD to VIC

OMG the amount of roadworks in NSW was horrendous

60 here, 40 here, stop for 10 minutes here, stop for 10 minutes again, 60 here, 40 here...... cost me easily 3-4 travel time

 

[rocker_oz33]

Just moved from QLD to VIC

OMG the amount of roadworks in NSW was horrendous

60 here, 40 here, stop for 10 minutes here, stop for 10 minutes again, 60 here, 40 here...... cost me easily 3-4 travel time

We did a NSW road trip lots of road works.


But it's the same everywhere imo..same areas might be worst than others.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

The one's between Epping and Seymour are point to point. So speeding through one won't give you a ticket.

It will.

If you're over the limit at the camera site it will fine you

 

[eddiesmith]

Our point to point cameras in NSW only pick up trucks.

I still wouldn't want to test that by averaging 150kmh between them in a car though.

They’ve got them on all the highways in Victoria as well the truck only cams.

 

[eddiesmith]

Was heading home today and on the highway they had the big Victorian government is broke, revenue raising cameras in area. Thought that’s new, no cameras on that highway. Saw 2 more and then there it was, a new camera installation has begun being installed.

Nice how quickly they can move on revenue raising but 2 years later, still haven’t begun fixing the road. Guess that’s going to be the cost of the road repairs, new revenue raising cameras everywhere!

 

[nobbyiscool]

Was heading home today and on the highway they had the big Victorian government is broke, revenue raising cameras in area. Thought that’s new, no cameras on that highway. Saw 2 more and then there it was, a new camera installation has begun being installed.

Nice how quickly they can move on revenue raising but 2 years later, still haven’t begun fixing the road. Guess that’s going to be the cost of the road repairs, new revenue raising cameras everywhere!

It's such a wild argument to me.

"I was only caught speeding cos of these revenue raising cameras!"

Words 1, 2 and 5 will explain to you why it's rubbish.

(I say that as someone who has had my share of fines. In fact I've probably had a few people's share of fines.)

 

[Cruyff14]

It will.

If you're over the limit at the camera site it will fine you

Hasn't happened in I reckon 30+ trips for me.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Was heading home today and on the highway they had the big Victorian government is broke, revenue raising cameras in area. Thought that’s new, no cameras on that highway. Saw 2 more and then there it was, a new camera installation has begun being installed.

Nice how quickly they can move on revenue raising but 2 years later, still haven’t begun fixing the road. Guess that’s going to be the cost of the road repairs, new revenue raising cameras everywhere!

I heard someone talking the other week who's on the road a lot and seem to know something's or just he's POV.
They use cheap stones etc to fix the roads..

I used to see cops all the time on highway near me.
Used to get pulled over a bit asking why I'm out and about normally after work.
Dont see any cops these days .

 

[eddiesmith]

I heard someone talking the other week who's on the road a lot and seem to know something's or just he's POV.
They use cheap stones etc to fix the roads..

I used to see cops all the time on highway near me.
Used to get pulled over a bit asking why I'm out and about normally after work.
Dont see any cops these days .

Used to travel a lot on the Hume, you could always guarantee a highway patrol at at least one of Seymour, Benalla, Wangaratta, Wodonga. If it was a long weekend you might get unlucky and see all 4!

But these days you rarely see any of them. Never seen one once on my current route and that’s been over 9 months of nearly weekly round trips across 3 major highways.

On the Hume, I went through where the road was destroyed last week by cars simply being stopped on a hot day, it’s a disaster and they’ll probably take 2 years to fix that too!!!

 

[eddiesmith]

It's such a wild argument to me.

"I was only caught speeding cos of these revenue raising cameras!"

Words 1, 2 and 5 will explain to you why it's rubbish.

(I say that as someone who has had my share of fines. In fact I've probably had a few people's share of fines.)

It depends what leeway they give, if you get done for 113 in a 110 zone it’s a joke. The cops won’t bother for anything under 10ks, cameras should be the same. I had a fine I got a warning for years ago, 103 in a 100 zone…

But I’ve been reasonably fine free for a while, last one was just being stupid and that was pre Covid.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Used to travel a lot on the Hume, you could always guarantee a highway patrol at at least one of Seymour, Benalla, Wangaratta, Wodonga. If it was a long weekend you might get unlucky and see all 4!

But these days you rarely see any of them. Never seen one once on my current route and that’s been over 9 months of nearly weekly round trips across 3 major highways.

On the Hume, I went through where the road was destroyed last week by cars simply being stopped on a hot day, it’s a disaster and they’ll probably take 2 years to fix that too!!!

We came back via the Hume last week.
I wonder how long it takes people to get home looked super busy around 5PM.

 

[eddiesmith]

We came back via the Hume last week.
I wonder how long it takes people to get home looked super busy around 5PM.

It’d be a nightmare, I’ve been caught a few times coming out of Melbourne too late, took at least an hour to get to Cragieburn turn off from Melbourne Park the other week. Usually eases off a little after Cragieburn and most left turn off at Kilmore.

Luckily I usually travel after work so by 7:00 it’s pretty sparse and I turn off at Wandong and take the back roads home.

 

[nobbyiscool]

It depends what leeway they give, if you get done for 113 in a 110 zone it’s a joke. The cops won’t bother for anything under 10ks, cameras should be the same. I had a fine I got a warning for years ago, 103 in a 100 zone…

But I’ve been reasonably fine free for a while, last one was just being stupid and that was pre Covid.

I wonder whether there's an increasing assumption in 110 zones that most of us are driving cars with new age cruise control that uses the cars inbuilt GPS to measure speed to the tenth of a kilometre. I know if I'm on a road with a 110 speed limit - so usually only the Hume Highway in my case - I'm usually using cruise control.

Clearly this doesn't check out on roads where you might be less likely to use a cruise control - the Eastern Freeway becoming Eastlink, with it's nigh-on criminally confusing changes of speed limit indispersed with fixed speed cameras is a good example that I'm very familiar with. And obviously it wouldn't be a fair or a reasonable assumption.

But it's probably the proliferation of point-to-point cameras that has led me to this suspicion that all of us are being policed according to modern-car capabilities, cos the notion that you can keep a continuous speed limit between two points, dozens of kilometres apart, is pretty crazy in an old car without cruise control if you're riding that 110 limit.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I wonder whether there's an increasing assumption in 110 zones that most of us are driving cars with new age cruise control that uses the cars inbuilt GPS to measure speed to the tenth of a kilometre. I know if I'm on a road with a 110 speed limit - so usually only the Hume Highway in my case - I'm usually using cruise control.

Clearly this doesn't check out on roads where you might be less likely to use a cruise control - the Eastern Freeway becoming Eastlink, with it's nigh-on criminally confusing changes of speed limit indispersed with fixed speed cameras is a good example that I'm very familiar with. And obviously it wouldn't be a fair or a reasonable assumption.

But it's probably the proliferation of point-to-point cameras that has led me to this suspicion that all of us are being policed according to modern-car capabilities, cos the notion that you can keep a continuous speed limit between two points, dozens of kilometres apart, is pretty crazy in an old car without cruise control if you're riding that 110 limit.

They have an allowance for accuracy of the Camera's , which they can usually prove in court. Then they ping you.

So in Victoria , if you're going 54 in a 50zone, they may book you for going 52 in a 50 zone.
I think for higher speeds the allowance is 3km/h.
People in other countries laugh at us and our pedantic cops.

 

[eddiesmith]

I wonder whether there's an increasing assumption in 110 zones that most of us are driving cars with new age cruise control that uses the cars inbuilt GPS to measure speed to the tenth of a kilometre. I know if I'm on a road with a 110 speed limit - so usually only the Hume Highway in my case - I'm usually using cruise control.

Clearly this doesn't check out on roads where you might be less likely to use a cruise control - the Eastern Freeway becoming Eastlink, with it's nigh-on criminally confusing changes of speed limit indispersed with fixed speed cameras is a good example that I'm very familiar with. And obviously it wouldn't be a fair or a reasonable assumption.

But it's probably the proliferation of point-to-point cameras that has led me to this suspicion that all of us are being policed according to modern-car capabilities, cos the notion that you can keep a continuous speed limit between two points, dozens of kilometres apart, is pretty crazy in an old car without cruise control if you're riding that 110 limit.

Part of my problem, I never use my cruise control, but the amount of cars who do 105, catch a truck then slow to 90 to sit side by side with the truck shows plenty don’t…But I use the GPS and at 120 on my Speedo, that’s 113-114 so I sit on that.

But the use of point to point is clearly to catch out people unaware who can easily see the cameras from a mile away and slow down past it, but unaware it’s also point to point. Most of the time if there’s traffic it’s very difficult to do more than 110 between the cameras as there’s plenty of examples like above where people hood you up in the right lane. Or the classic Hume where trucks overtake trucks up hills…

Fact is cameras are simply revenue raising and it’s no surprise with the state in the shit, they’re increasing them. I suppose it saves them having to actually employ police officers…

As for the Eastern, that’s about to become a shit heap in 10 years when they finish these roadworks, noticed they mentioned variable speed limits in their promotional material, great, probably be a few cameras on there as well.

 

[Jatz]

They have an allowance for accuracy of the Camera's , which they can usually prove in court. Then they ping you.

So in Victoria , if you're going 54 in a 50zone, they may book you for going 52 in a 50 zone.
I think for higher speeds the allowance is 3km/h.
People in other countries laugh at us and our pedantic cops.

People in NSW laugh at Victorians and your pedantic cops.

I have never once heard of anyone getting done for 2kmh over. Generally the rule of thumb is 10% over, they'll hit P platers harder though.

I've personally been pulled over twice for speeding, was let go for a warning both times.

 

[nobbyiscool]

People in NSW laugh at Victorians and your pedantic cops.

I have never once heard of anyone getting done for 2kmh over. Generally the rule of thumb is 10% over, they'll hit P platers harder though.

I've personally been pulled over twice for speeding, was let go for a warning both times.

You ever seen the size of the fines in NSW?

They aren't laughing at anyone when it comes to speeding infringements.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Getting a park at shopping centre....easy peasy .

Getting a park at barkery after beach five times around it with my parks stolen X2 .
Fun times.

Over sized truck block of one lane coming back and wanted to cut across while we had the green light .
Truck next to me who was in right lane locked up the breaks .
Lucky the over sized trucked didn't pull out in front of us.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

People in NSW laugh at Victorians and your pedantic cops.

I have never once heard of anyone getting done for 2kmh over. Generally the rule of thumb is 10% over, they'll hit P platers harder though.

I've personally been pulled over twice for speeding, was let go for a warning both times.

Its all cameras in Vic. I've been let off by cops before, and unless they are having a bad day, they often won't go after you unless you're speeding pretty badly.

 

[Gralin]

Its all cameras in Vic. I've been let off by cops before, and unless they are having a bad day, they often won't go after you unless you're speeding pretty badly.

How long ago was the last time you got let off?