Mega Thread VICBias - Genuine Discussion Part 2

[Rich01]

Why would we pay for a grand final when all the vic govt paid was for a few hundred million in stadium upgrades?

We’ve just paid 1.6 billion for a stadium that keep winning award after awards including best stadium in the world twice.

If the vic government had paid the afl 1.6 billion in return for the rights you might just have an argument. That money could have been used to benefit the entire afl not just Victorian fans

But instead the vic government paid out 225 million in stadium upgrades - ie 7 times less than what the wa government paid.

So when was it that the WA government engaged the AFL on looking to obtain the rights to the AFL grand final? All I’ve seen is political point scoring via throwaway lines in the media that the uneducated masses over in WA lapped up and made McGowan their most popular leader ever.

It’s absolute lunacy to spend almost $2b on a stadium with no foresight about getting the grand final there in the future.

The WA govt did a spectacular job distracting their constituents on the extra cost they had to fork out to fund the stadium. I’m glad you’re proud of it though, it certainly cost a bomb.

 

[Carringbush2010]

It can be actually, A very good one, and besides a few issues is heading in that way very strongly.

But if you don’t want that then tell your club in the feedback. Sure they will be happy to be in a suburban state comp again. 100%

Well it never will be if the bulk of clubs are in one state.

If we went truly national then the vfl would have it's original clubs and franchises would be created for the national one.

The issue would be that the vfl would be biggest comp and not the national one. It would have the biggest attendances and tv eye balls, biggest money etc etc. Like it does now.

All the vic fans would just follow their club, like they do now.

 

[kranky al]

So when was it that the WA government engaged the AFL on looking to obtain the rights to the AFL grand final? All I’ve seen is political point scoring via throwaway lines in the media that the uneducated masses over in WA lapped up and made McGowan their most popular leader ever.

It’s absolute lunacy to spend almost $2b on a stadium with no foresight about getting the grand final there in the future.

The WA govt did a spectacular job distracting their constituents on the extra cost they had to fork out to fund the stadium. I’m glad you’re proud of it though, it certainly cost a bomb.

The existing deal had 19 years left to run.

So I’m guessing it wasn’t really on the radar at that stage….

 

[kranky al]

Well it never will be if the bulk of clubs are in state.

If we went truly national then the vfl would have it's original clubs and franchises would be created.

The issue would be that the vfl would be biggest comp and not the national one. It would have the biggest attendances and tv eye balls, biggest money etc etc. Like it does now.

All the vic fans would just follow their club, like they do now.

The vfl was broke….half the clubs were insolvent….

 

[Carringbush2010]

The vfl was broke….half the clubs were insolvent….

Yeah and you're thinking it would've been the end of vic clubs, forever, then you'd be wrong. Too much public interest for those clubs to just die off forever. Even if the league went ass over, those clubs still would've existed, looking for a new home to compete. Footy fans for the most part are rusted on, wouldn't give up on their clubs.

The only reason clubs went belly up financially was a $ race in pursuit of flags.

Vic clubs would've come back in some way shape or form.

I also like how you haven't mentioned that the WAFL was also in financial troubles, I think The_Wookie has intel on this.

 

[Rich01]

The existing deal had 19 years left to run.

So I’m guessing it wasn’t really on the radar at that stage….

Definitely not on the radar Krank.
Can you imagine having to explain to the WA taxpayer that they had to fork out thousands more on top of what they already did for the stadium to see a grand final?

That’s not going to win any short term votes. Best to play the woe is me card….again.

 

[sr36]

It's a national comp by name only.

If we were to have a truly national comp, you'd have 4 or 6 vic clubs, not 10

This is what should've happened in the first place.

Imagine 4 Vic teams and 2 from SA. The vic clubs would be triple the size of the SA clubs. Having 10 Vic clubs is what stops Victorian clubs from dominating.

 

[twiggy4PM]

A quick whinge about fixturing.

Port and GWS could arguably both be considered finalists when the draw was concocted. Why is it that both only play one game at the MCG and that is in Round 1. Given the number of Vic teams that call the MCG home, surely potential finalists should get more opportunity to play on the ground where the GF has to be played.

 

[doppleganger]

Got to give credit when actual Vicbias is brought up in the thread.

Tis rare indeed.

Both Port and GWS play the mcg tenants at home - the only exception being Hawks v Port in Tassie. Port and GWS are only allowed 1 double vs bottom 6 teams and and Port's was forced to be Adelaide.

This is what people don't really understand

Unlike the SA and WA teams, none of the 4 MCG tenants actually get to play their 11 home games at the G.

Richmond play 10 MCG home games
Collingwood and Melbourne get 9 MCG home games
Hawthorn play just 6 MCG home games

And then you have the co-tenants - Carlton and Essendon - who play a combined 10 of 22 home games at the MCG.

It is commercially driven, Hawks don't want to host GWS at the G and then play a home game in Tassie against Essendon as it will cost them a shitload of money. Essendon don't want to play a home game against Port at the G, and then host Richmond dream time game at Marvel.

The AFL wants big blockbusters at the G in front of 75-80k, and that means two Vic teams playing.

It's hard to find the balance between making Collingwood and Richmond play more games interstate, and playing more games v Interstate opposition at the MCG. Doing more of 1 reduces the other.

Yep.

If playing games at the G is so important, why don't Port request to play a home game at the G? They know that home ground advantage is too important during H&A, so won't sell a home game as that will hurt their chances of finishing top4 again.

And that is why the H&A ladder is skewed to teams that have retained a genuine home ground advantage.

 

[kranky al]

Definitely not on the radar Krank.
Can you imagine having to explain to the WA taxpayer that they had to fork out thousands more on top of what they already did for the stadium to see a grand final?

That’s not going to win any short term votes. Best to play the woe is me card….again.

I’m trying to think of a major sporting event that’s been handed out in silent 19 years out from the last deal expiring for peanuts…and all of those peanuts going to one area of that sporting bodies fanbase


And I can’t.


Then I look at the thread title….

 

[peetoo]

A quick whinge about fixturing.

Port and GWS could arguably both be considered finalists when the draw was concocted. Why is it that both only play one game at the MCG and that is in Round 1. Given the number of Vic teams that call the MCG home, surely potential finalists should get more opportunity to play on the ground where the GF has to be played.

Marvel tenants pushing for more mcg games v other vic teams right now

Premiership success from marvel tenants is sparse too

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

A quick whinge about fixturing.

Port and GWS could arguably both be considered finalists when the draw was concocted. Why is it that both only play one game at the MCG and that is in Round 1. Given the number of Vic teams that call the MCG home, surely potential finalists should get more opportunity to play on the ground where the GF has to be played.

Maybe they can fixture gather round in Melbourne and have the non-Vic team play the MCG.

But seriously, looking at Port

Collingwood - MCG - Collingwood's home ground
Essendon - Marvel - Essendon's home ground
DOgs - Ballarat - Should be at Marvel
Hawks - UTAS - At Hawks joint home ground
Cats - GMHBA - Cats home ground
Carlton - Marvel - Carlton home ground

Which team should forfeit their home ground advantage for Port?

 

[kranky al]

Yeah and you're thinking it would've been the end of vic clubs, forever, then you'd be wrong. Too much public interest for those clubs to just die off forever. Even if the league went ass over, those clubs still would've existed, looking for a new home to compete. Footy fans for the most part are rusted on, wouldn't give up on their clubs.

The only reason clubs went belly up financially was a $ race in pursuit of flags.

Vic clubs would've come back in some way shape or form.

I also like how you haven't mentioned that the WAFL was also in financial troubles, I think The_Wookie has intel on this.

The wafl was f——- imagine if every single year any of your Harley Reid’s / Pendlebury / dusty types showed any form you knew that would be the last year you saw them.

The vic vfl Ponzi scheme would immediately poach them.

Takes all the joy out of it. My dad took me to every single east Perth game from when I was old enough to follow footy - but we stopped going…. Along with most of the footy going public

 

[sr36]

Maybe they can fixture gather round in Melbourne and have the non-Vic team play the MCG.

But seriously, looking at Port

Collingwood - MCG - Collingwood's home ground
Essendon - Marvel - Essendon's home ground
DOgs - Ballarat - Should be at Marvel
Hawks - UTAS - At Hawks joint home ground
Cats - GMHBA - Cats home ground
Carlton - Marvel - Carlton home ground

Which team should forfeit their home ground advantage for Port?

The rest of the comp could go with the Geelong/Collingwood model. 9 of their home games at thier home ground and 2 at a different venue - the MCG ...

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

The rest of the comp could go with the Vic model. 9 of their home games at a home venue of choice and then 2 at the MCG ...

That was my next suggestion. Port / GWS can themselves request to play home games at the MCG.

 

[Rich01]

I’m trying to think of a major sporting event that’s been handed out in silent 19 years out from the last deal expiring for peanuts…and all of those peanuts going to one area of that sporting bodies fanbase


And I can’t.


Then I look at the thread title….

When there’s a belief that the state has to prove itself to the ‘east coast’, the tactics of the vic govt and the mcg only reaffirm this little brother syndrome that pervades the general population in WA.

 

[kranky al]

When there’s a belief that the state has to prove itself to the ‘east coast’, the tactics of the vic govt and the mcg only reaffirm this little brother syndrome that pervades the general population in WA.

Those certainly are all indeed words.

Perhaps you can reorder them and add some more and with a bit of luck you can make some kind of cogent point?

Have you tried chat gpt?

 

[Lockyer24]

You guys just need to whinge about the MCG GF. I would.
Everything else is pretty much meaningless and will never get much respect

 

[kranky al]

Sheeeyit I might try chat gpt myself:.

The Australian Football League (AFL) has long been criticized for exhibiting a Victorian bias, which some argue hampers the league's national growth and fairness. Below is an itemized list of ways this bias manifests:

### 1. Historical Roots and Governance
- The AFL originated in Victoria, and its headquarters remain in Melbourne, which some argue centralizes decision-making and prioritizes Victorian interests.
- The AFL Commission and key administrative roles are often dominated by Victorians or individuals with strong Victorian ties.

### 2. Fixture Scheduling
- Victorian teams often receive more favorable scheduling, including prime-time slots (e.g., Friday nights) and marquee games like the ANZAC Day match (Collingwood vs. Essendon).
- Non-Victorian teams frequently face more demanding travel schedules, with less consideration given to recovery time.

### 3. Grand Final Location
- The AFL Grand Final is traditionally held at the Melbourne Cricket Ground (MCG), regardless of which teams are competing. This gives Victorian teams a home-ground advantage and limits opportunities for non-Victorian cities to host the event.
- Efforts to move the Grand Final to other states, even temporarily (e.g., during the COVID-19 pandemic), have faced significant resistance.

### 4. Financial Imbalances
- Victorian clubs benefit from larger stadium deals and higher attendance revenues due to the concentration of teams and fans in Melbourne.
- Non-Victorian teams often rely more heavily on AFL distributions and subsidies, creating financial disparities.

### 5. Media Coverage
- Victorian-based media outlets dominate AFL coverage, often focusing disproportionately on Victorian teams and players.
- Non-Victorian teams receive less media attention, which can impact their ability to build fan bases and attract sponsors.

### 6. Talent Development and Recruitment
- Victorian talent pathways (e.g., TAC Cup, now the NAB League) are more established and heavily promoted, potentially disadvantaging players from other states.
- Victorian-based teams often have better access to local talent and networking opportunities.

### 7. Competitive Balance
- The concentration of teams in Victoria (10 out of 18) creates a lopsided competition, with Victorian teams playing more games in familiar conditions and in front of home crowds.
- Non-Victorian teams face more travel and less home-ground advantage, which can impact performance.

### 8. Cultural Influence
- The AFL's culture is deeply rooted in Victorian traditions, which can alienate fans and stakeholders in other states.
- Non-Victorian teams often struggle to establish their own identities and traditions within a league dominated by Victorian narratives.

### 9. Rule Changes and Innovations
- Rule changes and innovations are sometimes perceived as being tailored to suit Victorian teams or conditions, rather than considering the broader national context.
- For example, the introduction of the "stand rule" in 2021 was seen by some as favoring teams with strong marking forwards, a style more prevalent in Victorian teams.

### 10. Representation in Key Events
- Victorian teams are disproportionately represented in marquee events like the season opener, Queen's Birthday match, and other high-profile games.
- Non-Victorian teams often have to fight harder for inclusion in these events, even when they are performing well.

### 11. AFLW Considerations
- The AFL Women's (AFLW) competition has also faced criticism for favoring Victorian teams in terms of scheduling, media coverage, and resource allocation.
- Non-Victorian AFLW teams often struggle to gain the same level of support and visibility.

### 12. Perception of Favoritism
- The perception of Victorian bias, whether real or imagined, can undermine the league's credibility and alienate fans in non-Victorian states.
- This perception can also impact the morale and motivation of non-Victorian teams and players.

### 13. Lack of National Perspective
- Critics argue that the AFL's focus on Victorian interests limits its ability to grow the game nationally, particularly in developing markets like New South Wales and Queensland.
- The league's expansion efforts (e.g., the introduction of the Gold Coast Suns and Greater Western Sydney Giants) are sometimes seen as secondary to maintaining Victorian dominance.

### Conclusion
While the AFL has made efforts to address some of these issues, the perception of Victorian bias remains a significant challenge. Addressing these concerns would require a more balanced approach to governance, scheduling, and resource allocation, ensuring the league's growth and fairness across all states.

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

Sheeeyit I might try chat gpt myself:.

The Australian Football League (AFL) has long been criticized for exhibiting a Victorian bias, which some argue hampers the league's national growth and fairness. Below is an itemized list of ways this bias manifests:

### 1. Historical Roots and Governance
- The AFL originated in Victoria, and its headquarters remain in Melbourne, which some argue centralizes decision-making and prioritizes Victorian interests.
- The AFL Commission and key administrative roles are often dominated by Victorians or individuals with strong Victorian ties.

### 2. Fixture Scheduling
- Victorian teams often receive more favorable scheduling, including prime-time slots (e.g., Friday nights) and marquee games like the ANZAC Day match (Collingwood vs. Essendon).
- Non-Victorian teams frequently face more demanding travel schedules, with less consideration given to recovery time.

### 3. Grand Final Location
- The AFL Grand Final is traditionally held at the Melbourne Cricket Ground (MCG), regardless of which teams are competing. This gives Victorian teams a home-ground advantage and limits opportunities for non-Victorian cities to host the event.
- Efforts to move the Grand Final to other states, even temporarily (e.g., during the COVID-19 pandemic), have faced significant resistance.

### 4. Financial Imbalances
- Victorian clubs benefit from larger stadium deals and higher attendance revenues due to the concentration of teams and fans in Melbourne.
- Non-Victorian teams often rely more heavily on AFL distributions and subsidies, creating financial disparities.

### 5. Media Coverage
- Victorian-based media outlets dominate AFL coverage, often focusing disproportionately on Victorian teams and players.
- Non-Victorian teams receive less media attention, which can impact their ability to build fan bases and attract sponsors.

### 6. Talent Development and Recruitment
- Victorian talent pathways (e.g., TAC Cup, now the NAB League) are more established and heavily promoted, potentially disadvantaging players from other states.
- Victorian-based teams often have better access to local talent and networking opportunities.

### 7. Competitive Balance
- The concentration of teams in Victoria (10 out of 18) creates a lopsided competition, with Victorian teams playing more games in familiar conditions and in front of home crowds.
- Non-Victorian teams face more travel and less home-ground advantage, which can impact performance.

### 8. Cultural Influence
- The AFL's culture is deeply rooted in Victorian traditions, which can alienate fans and stakeholders in other states.
- Non-Victorian teams often struggle to establish their own identities and traditions within a league dominated by Victorian narratives.

### 9. Rule Changes and Innovations
- Rule changes and innovations are sometimes perceived as being tailored to suit Victorian teams or conditions, rather than considering the broader national context.
- For example, the introduction of the "stand rule" in 2021 was seen by some as favoring teams with strong marking forwards, a style more prevalent in Victorian teams.

### 10. Representation in Key Events
- Victorian teams are disproportionately represented in marquee events like the season opener, Queen's Birthday match, and other high-profile games.
- Non-Victorian teams often have to fight harder for inclusion in these events, even when they are performing well.

### 11. AFLW Considerations
- The AFL Women's (AFLW) competition has also faced criticism for favoring Victorian teams in terms of scheduling, media coverage, and resource allocation.
- Non-Victorian AFLW teams often struggle to gain the same level of support and visibility.

### 12. Perception of Favoritism
- The perception of Victorian bias, whether real or imagined, can undermine the league's credibility and alienate fans in non-Victorian states.
- This perception can also impact the morale and motivation of non-Victorian teams and players.

### 13. Lack of National Perspective
- Critics argue that the AFL's focus on Victorian interests limits its ability to grow the game nationally, particularly in developing markets like New South Wales and Queensland.
- The league's expansion efforts (e.g., the introduction of the Gold Coast Suns and Greater Western Sydney Giants) are sometimes seen as secondary to maintaining Victorian dominance.

### Conclusion
While the AFL has made efforts to address some of these issues, the perception of Victorian bias remains a significant challenge. Addressing these concerns would require a more balanced approach to governance, scheduling, and resource allocation, ensuring the league's growth and fairness across all states.

ChatGPT also comes up with

While the existence of "VicBias" is highly debated, it's largely a matter of perception and emotion within the AFL community. Fans from non-Victorian teams often feel their clubs are disadvantaged due to the centralization of the competition in Melbourne.

Take emotion and perception out of it, and ya got nuffink.

 

[sr36]

Sheeeyit I might try chat gpt myself:.

The Australian Football League (AFL) has long been criticized for exhibiting a Victorian bias, which some argue hampers the league's national growth and fairness. Below is an itemized list of ways this bias manifests:

### 1. Historical Roots and Governance
- The AFL originated in Victoria, and its headquarters remain in Melbourne, which some argue centralizes decision-making and prioritizes Victorian interests.
- The AFL Commission and key administrative roles are often dominated by Victorians or individuals with strong Victorian ties.

### 2. Fixture Scheduling
- Victorian teams often receive more favorable scheduling, including prime-time slots (e.g., Friday nights) and marquee games like the ANZAC Day match (Collingwood vs. Essendon).
- Non-Victorian teams frequently face more demanding travel schedules, with less consideration given to recovery time.

### 3. Grand Final Location
- The AFL Grand Final is traditionally held at the Melbourne Cricket Ground (MCG), regardless of which teams are competing. This gives Victorian teams a home-ground advantage and limits opportunities for non-Victorian cities to host the event.
- Efforts to move the Grand Final to other states, even temporarily (e.g., during the COVID-19 pandemic), have faced significant resistance.

### 4. Financial Imbalances
- Victorian clubs benefit from larger stadium deals and higher attendance revenues due to the concentration of teams and fans in Melbourne.
- Non-Victorian teams often rely more heavily on AFL distributions and subsidies, creating financial disparities.

### 5. Media Coverage
- Victorian-based media outlets dominate AFL coverage, often focusing disproportionately on Victorian teams and players.
- Non-Victorian teams receive less media attention, which can impact their ability to build fan bases and attract sponsors.

### 6. Talent Development and Recruitment
- Victorian talent pathways (e.g., TAC Cup, now the NAB League) are more established and heavily promoted, potentially disadvantaging players from other states.
- Victorian-based teams often have better access to local talent and networking opportunities.

### 7. Competitive Balance
- The concentration of teams in Victoria (10 out of 18) creates a lopsided competition, with Victorian teams playing more games in familiar conditions and in front of home crowds.
- Non-Victorian teams face more travel and less home-ground advantage, which can impact performance.

### 8. Cultural Influence
- The AFL's culture is deeply rooted in Victorian traditions, which can alienate fans and stakeholders in other states.
- Non-Victorian teams often struggle to establish their own identities and traditions within a league dominated by Victorian narratives.

### 9. Rule Changes and Innovations
- Rule changes and innovations are sometimes perceived as being tailored to suit Victorian teams or conditions, rather than considering the broader national context.
- For example, the introduction of the "stand rule" in 2021 was seen by some as favoring teams with strong marking forwards, a style more prevalent in Victorian teams.

### 10. Representation in Key Events
- Victorian teams are disproportionately represented in marquee events like the season opener, Queen's Birthday match, and other high-profile games.
- Non-Victorian teams often have to fight harder for inclusion in these events, even when they are performing well.

### 11. AFLW Considerations
- The AFL Women's (AFLW) competition has also faced criticism for favoring Victorian teams in terms of scheduling, media coverage, and resource allocation.
- Non-Victorian AFLW teams often struggle to gain the same level of support and visibility.

### 12. Perception of Favoritism
- The perception of Victorian bias, whether real or imagined, can undermine the league's credibility and alienate fans in non-Victorian states.
- This perception can also impact the morale and motivation of non-Victorian teams and players.

### 13. Lack of National Perspective
- Critics argue that the AFL's focus on Victorian interests limits its ability to grow the game nationally, particularly in developing markets like New South Wales and Queensland.
- The league's expansion efforts (e.g., the introduction of the Gold Coast Suns and Greater Western Sydney Giants) are sometimes seen as secondary to maintaining Victorian dominance.

### Conclusion
While the AFL has made efforts to address some of these issues, the perception of Victorian bias remains a significant challenge. Addressing these concerns would require a more balanced approach to governance, scheduling, and resource allocation, ensuring the league's growth and fairness across all states.

My ChatGPT is better than yours:

Claims of Victorian bias (vicbias) in the AFL—suggesting that the league favors Victorian teams—are often debated. However, several arguments suggest these claims are false or exaggerated:

1. Equalization Measures​

• The AFL has introduced salary caps, the draft system, and revenue-sharing measures to ensure fairness across all clubs.
• Non-Victorian clubs like Brisbane and Sydney have received cost-of-living allowances (COLA) to balance financial disadvantages.

2. Non-Victorian Team Success​

• Since the AFL’s national expansion, non-Victorian teams have been highly successful:
  • West Coast (4 flags)
  • Adelaide (2 flags)
  • Brisbane (3 flags in a row)
  • Sydney (2 flags)
  • Port Adelaide (1 flag)
• In the last 20 years, non-Victorian teams have won nearly half of the premierships.

3. Fixturing & Travel​

• While Victorian teams play more games at the MCG or Marvel Stadium, non-Victorian clubs have fortress-like home grounds (e.g., Optus Stadium, Adelaide Oval, the Gabba).
• All teams must travel interstate during the season, and non-Victorian teams benefit from less travel in blocks (e.g., consecutive away games in Melbourne to minimize disruption).

4. Umpiring & Decision-Making​

• Studies of free kick counts do not consistently show bias in favor of Victorian teams.
• The AFL’s head office is based in Melbourne, but rule changes and tribunal decisions have affected all teams, not just those outside Victoria.

5. Grand Final Venue​

• The MCG hosts the Grand Final due to a long-term agreement with the Victorian Government, but this is a financial decision rather than bias. The MCG can hold over 100,000 people, making it the most viable economic choice.

6. Expansion & AFL Investments​

• The AFL has heavily invested in teams like GWS and Gold Coast, showing its commitment to a truly national competition.
• In contrast, many Victorian clubs (e.g., North Melbourne, St Kilda) have struggled financially and did not receive comparable assistance.

While Victorian teams may have historical advantages due to the league’s origins, claims of systemic bias are often not supported by the broader picture of the AFL's structure, success distribution, and policy decisions.

 

[kranky al]

My ChatGPT is better than yours:

Claims of Victorian bias (vicbias) in the AFL—suggesting that the league favors Victorian teams—are often debated. However, several arguments suggest these claims are false or exaggerated:

1. Equalization Measures​

• The AFL has introduced salary caps, the draft system, and revenue-sharing measures to ensure fairness across all clubs.
• Non-Victorian clubs like Brisbane and Sydney have received cost-of-living allowances (COLA) to balance financial disadvantages.

2. Non-Victorian Team Success​

• Since the AFL’s national expansion, non-Victorian teams have been highly successful:
  • West Coast (4 flags)
  • Adelaide (2 flags)
  • Brisbane (3 flags in a row)
  • Sydney (2 flags)
  • Port Adelaide (1 flag)
• In the last 20 years, non-Victorian teams have won nearly half of the premierships.

3. Fixturing & Travel​

• While Victorian teams play more games at the MCG or Marvel Stadium, non-Victorian clubs have fortress-like home grounds (e.g., Optus Stadium, Adelaide Oval, the Gabba).
• All teams must travel interstate during the season, and non-Victorian teams benefit from less travel in blocks (e.g., consecutive away games in Melbourne to minimize disruption).

4. Umpiring & Decision-Making​

• Studies of free kick counts do not consistently show bias in favor of Victorian teams.
• The AFL’s head office is based in Melbourne, but rule changes and tribunal decisions have affected all teams, not just those outside Victoria.

5. Grand Final Venue​

• The MCG hosts the Grand Final due to a long-term agreement with the Victorian Government, but this is a financial decision rather than bias. The MCG can hold over 100,000 people, making it the most viable economic choice.

6. Expansion & AFL Investments​

• The AFL has heavily invested in teams like GWS and Gold Coast, showing its commitment to a truly national competition.
• In contrast, many Victorian clubs (e.g., North Melbourne, St Kilda) have struggled financially and did not receive comparable assistance.

While Victorian teams may have historical advantages due to the league’s origins, claims of systemic bias are often not supported by the broader picture of the AFL's structure, success distribution, and policy decisions.

My chat gpt says it will meet your chat gpt behind the bike sheds after school

 

[kranky al]

ChatGPT also comes up with

While the existence of "VicBias" is highly debated, it's largely a matter of perception and emotion within the AFL community. Fans from non-Victorian teams often feel their clubs are disadvantaged due to the centralization of the competition in Melbourne.

Take emotion and perception out of it, and ya got nuffink.

Yeah there’s no advantage whatsoever in holding the big dance on your home ground.

Imagine trying to say that to literally any sports person from any sport in the world and not having them laugh in your face

 

[kranky al]

You guys just need to whinge about the MCG GF. I would.
Everything else is pretty much meaningless and will never get much respect

That’s our biggest bitch.

 

[sr36]

My chat gpt says it will meet your chat gpt behind the bike sheds after school

I asked mine:

"Only if we're settling things with a proper AI rap battle. Otherwise, I’ve got homework to do."