Mega Thread VICBias - Genuine Discussion Part 2

[sr36]

I know it was said that it was a disadvantage for them to stay in Victoria as much because they were never able to get used to travelling for finals. Didn't stop you from beating us in a Prelim at Football Park.

Adelaide Oval is a happy hunting ground for us. Pies have two ridiculous streaks going. Crisps games and we're on the most consecutive wins at the Adelaide Oval - including Port and Crows.

 

[peetoo]

Just a tidbit

Port win more games at marvel than AO

 

[doppleganger]

I’m not arguing that playing a vfl team in a grand final means you can’t win. It’s about marginal advantages.

The analogy would be the British cycling team who focused on 1% advantages and stacked them up and the impact small advantages can have.

The point being that during H&A the marginal advantages aren't going to Melbourne teams who are selling home games.

 

[blue harvest]

The Richmond vs Crows GF was basically a Richmond home ground. Speaking to people who were there, they said 70% of the crowd were Richmond supporters, and the ground was done up for Richmond.
It in no way felt like a neutral stadium, and was definitely a pro Richmond ground.

I was there, it wasn't neutral but no way was it 70% Richmond. Crows had a big presence, enough to make a difference, but the big difference was the Tiger supporters were much louder, they went crazy from the moment the teams came out.

 

[doppleganger]

It's more nuanced than that. Not all Victorian teams get the same preferential treatment by the AFL.

Good to know you acknowledge the concept of VICBias is ridiculous.

Lower places teams like North or the Bulldogs do play interstate more than Collingwood do for instance.

North play the same number of games outside of Melbourne as Adelaide play outside of Adelaide - 10.

Clearly VICBias again at play.

Under the guise of maximising crowds, the AFL has given a big leg up to the big Victorian clubs by allowing them to play more at home than others.

Essendon get 8 games at the G
Hawthorn get 10 games at the G
Carlton get 11 games at the G
Melbourne get 12 games at the G
Richmond get 13 games at the G

Adelaide get 13 games at AO

Clearly VICBias again at play.

To show how much of an advantage it is, with gather round in SA, Victorians have complained that it gives an advantage to the SA clubs who get to play in SA for another games, when the reality is that one of the two SA clubs will play one extra game at home a year. So just one extra home game for one of the clubs is considered an advantage.

Yes both Adelaide and Port get 13 games at AO, 11 of them against travelling teams who aren't familiar with AO where they enjoy a home ground advantage.

Of Richmond's 13 MCG games, only 4 of them against travelling teams who aren't familiar with MCG where they enjoy a home ground advantage.

Of Hawthorn's 10 MCG games, only 1 is against travelling teams who aren't familiar with MCG where they enjoy a home ground advantage.

Clearly VICBias again at play.

The fact that they don't have to travel gives their sponsors better coverage, the players have to travel less, and it has been said by Victorian commentators that this is actually used by the big clubs as a sales pitch to get players to join their team.

Which Victorian commentators have claimed that is which clubs sales pitch?

 

[blue harvest]

Should just do away with the MCC stand for the grand final. People who don't care for either teams just watching because they can whilst they are taking away opportunities from people who just wanna watch their team play in the GF. The members can cry all they want about their 40 year waitlist but this is the right thing to do.

The MCC borrowed hundreds of millions of dollars to rebuild the Northern half of the ground on the understanding they have their own reserve. You can't just renege on that deal. They are why the ground exists as it does today.

 

[doppleganger]

There was black and yellow everywhere.
Here is a photo of the 2019 GF.
Does it seem like a neutral venue?View attachment 2262712

GWS don't have many supporters.

Play the game in Perth and it would be the same, Richmond fans would completely out number the Giants wherever they played.

Below is 2018 GF pic, plenty of Eagles there despite Collingwood clearly having majority.

 

[blue harvest]

It's more nuanced than that. Not all Victorian teams get the same preferential treatment by the AFL. Lower places teams like North or the Bulldogs do play interstate more than Collingwood do for instance.

2025 Interstate games.
Pies 6.
Bulldogs 6.
North 6. (excluding the home games they sold)

 

[doppleganger]

The AFL will say its about maximising the crowd, but the reality is it went from Geelong having earnt a home ground advantage to giving that home ground advantage to Collingwood.

There is no such thing as earning home ground advantage for a final.

Finals are league controlled games, nothing to do with clubs.

Finals are played at whatever venue the league thinks it will make the most money from, that has always been the case.

 

[doppleganger]

I remember when Collingwood was given games to play at Docklands, and they were poorly attended, and the Pies blamed the AFL because their supporters didn't like to go to Marvel, and much preferred to watch games at the MCG.

No shit. Fans prefer to watch games at their home ground.

Marvel isn't our home ground.

 

[blue harvest]

There is no such thing as earning home ground advantage for a final.

Finals are league controlled games, nothing to do with clubs.

Finals are played at whatever venue the league thinks it will make the most money from, that has always been the case.

Indeed, no such thing as home finals and never has been . The AFL selects the most suitable ground in the state of the higher team, for WA and SA teams that just happens to be their home ground and they have mistakenly interpreted this as earning a home final.

 

[BigHuddo]

The MCC borrowed hundreds of millions of dollars to rebuild the Northern half of the ground on the understanding they have their own reserve. You can't just renege on that deal. They are why the ground exists as it does today.

Im not saying take the whole reserve away. Just on grand final day, so fans can watch their team