Mega Thread VICBias - Genuine Discussion

[JackOutback]

Okay, we don't want a national competition. Cya, back to the bum leagues you go lol

You know yours was a bum’s league too until non-Victorian clubs joined, right? Bordering on bankruptcy as well.

 

[Jibroni]

If they dont want to travel during gather round the only solution is to have a 3rd derby during gather round. But then again Brisbane and GC would want the same thing.

It would be like having your wedding but keeping the in-laws at home.

 

[Engimal v3]

You know yours was a bum’s league too until non-Victorian clubs joined, right? Bordering on bankruptcy as well.

And now it's on TVs around the country. Now, as per the decision on the ultimatum you gave us, off you trot back to Rushton Park or some other shithole lol

 

[sr36]

Port aren’t stuck, They can definitely grow, What makes you think that?

The Adelaide market is already divided up and it's divided in such a way that Port can't sell out a home final at a ground half the size of the MCG.

You'd only cull half the Vic clubs if you thought you could keep a lot of their supporters in the market. If you could, you'd end up with the 5 surviving clubs, who already dwarf Port, growing by 50%.

 

[HighBudget]

The Adelaide market is already divided up and it's divided in such a way that Port can't sell out a home final at a ground half the size of the MCG.

You'd only cull half the Vic clubs if you thought you could keep a lot of their supporters in the market. If you could, you'd end up with the 5 surviving clubs, who already dwarf Port, growing by 50%.

Port can’t sell out a final? What makes you think that?

 

[sr36]

Port can’t sell out a final? What makes you think that?

You didn't sell out your last home final.

Plus you've got one job tonight and you're ****ing it

 

[Freomaniac]

You haven't thought this through. If there was a break away smaller super league, Port Adelaide wouldn't be invited along for the ride. There's not enough potential for their supporter base to grow. In terms of a super league, they'd just be too small without the growth potential. Port Adelaide are stuck at their current relative size and need a large number of Vic teams in the comp to be competitive. You could however bring North into a super league as Vics or their kids would eventually gravitate towards one of the super league teams, if there club missed out.

Stupid post right here.

When was your club formed? 1892? Port Adelaide footy history has been traced back to 1870. Fremantle footy history has been traced back to 1885.

Its 2024. You and I wont be alive in 100 years time when 2124 rolls around.

 

[Engimal v3]

Stupid post right here.

When was your club formed? 1892? Port Adelaide footy history has been traced back to 1870. Fremantle footy history has been traced back to 1885.

Its 2024. You and I wont be alive in 100 years time when 2124 rolls around.

Port were actually formed in 1997. They just lie and we all bizarrely play along for some reason lol

 

[sr36]

Stupid post right here.

When was your club formed? 1892? Port Adelaide footy history has been traced back to 1870. Fremantle footy history has been traced back to 1885.

Its 2024. You and I wont be alive in 100 years time when 2124 rolls around.

And you called my post stupid

My post had nothing to do with how old clubs are. But for a Freo fan to bring in age of a club and how long football has been played in the area of Fremantle whilst arguing that Vic clubs should be kicked out of the league...

How did that make any sense to you at all?

 

[WilloTree]

I'd suggest 'genuine discussion' might not be the best title for this thread.

 

[Leeda]

Sum dumb cuck...mandatory dubious left eleven

 

[Blackas87]

Victorians need to decide if they actually want a national competition. If they do, then difficult decisions may need to be made. If they don't, the VFL is right there.

Victoria isn’t getting rid of any clubs. Up to you to make the decision stay in this league or join another.

 

[Coolangatta]

Victoria isn’t getting rid of any clubs. Up to you to make the decision stay in this league or join another.

Yeah apparently even if clubs vote North or another club out it can be contested in court and overturned.

Fitzroy is only gone because the admin surrendered that legal power to the AFL.

So even if Ross Oakley 2.0 comes in I doubt anyone goes anywhere.

In hindsight, the AFL shouldn’t have blocked Fitzroy moving to Canberra.

Canberra-Fitzroy Lions playing at Manuka on Fitzroy street would’ve been sweet.

Tassie as team 18 in the 90s, Gold Coast and Western Sydney as team 19 and 20 back in the 2010s.

Talent dilution? Just cull to 15 players a side, you’d have a similar talent pool to what we have now at 18.

But hindsight is a wonderful thing.

I think what they could do is let the WA teams sit out of GR and play each other instead.

Down to 10 trips.

Play SA teams twice, hub there when. That’s 9 trips.

And a Melbourne hub after the bye so players emotionally prepare/organise/spend quality family time before heading off.

8 trips. Best I can come up with atm.

And truth be said, NT romanticism politics etc aside, a 3rd WA side as the 20th could cull travel to 7 trips if you kept the above suggestions in place.

Would they sell out Optus from day dot?

No but I think the East Perth Sharks in sky blue and black could start out playing several games at a smaller ground and within 10-15 years build a good following with the youth.

I prefer the West v East playoff to a northern Perth team but that’s just me.

 

[Carringbush2010]

You know yours was a bum’s league too until non-Victorian clubs joined, right? Bordering on bankruptcy as well.

The same one that attracted and lured the best coaches / players / staff from all the other leagues coz it was the highest profile and paid the most?

The same league where all the supporters of other leagues bitched and moaned coz their best players left for the vfl?

The reason it paid the most was coz the big clubs were in a $ war tryna win flags, had nothing to do with 'the league was sh*t and no one was interested' as you allude here.

The league might've gone bankrupt, but the clubs would always, always garner public interest. They'd never die off.

 

[Roylion]

Talent dilution?

The "dilution of talent" argument against expansion is inane.

You'd think with Australia's population projected to have an extra 14 million people by 2050 there would be surely be at least another 80 players of a talent commensurate with that of current existing AFL talent to fill at least two extra teams.

 

[Coolangatta]

The "dilution of talent" argument against expansion is inane.

You'd think with Australia's population projected to have an extra 14 million people by 2050 there would be surely be at least another 80 players of a talent commensurate with that of current existing AFL talent to fill at least two extra teams.

Yeah, I meant back if we went to 20 teams in the 2010s, though, if the Roys were allowed to move to Canberra and Tassie came in as team 18 back in the 90s.

There would've been a talent pool issue in the 2010s at 20 teams.

I agree, though, it's not that ridiculous to suggest we could have a 22 team comp by around 2050 or just after.

 

[JackOutback]

Victoria isn’t getting rid of any clubs. Up to you to make the decision stay in this league or join another.

I'd suggest that's optimistic at best, maybe a little naive. A lot can change in 10, 20, 50 years. If the AFL turns off the tap, a club may find itself in a position where it's forced to step back to the VFL or fold. Might seem practical now, but doesn't mean it won't ever be.

 

[Carn The Berries]

We don't think of it as a State thing!!! ..... defend the corpse that is North Melbourne like they are protecting their slow younger brother.

As opposed to propping up 2 seemingly unsustainable sides in NSW & Qld?

 

[Carn The Berries]

And now it's on TVs around the country. Now, as per the decision on the ultimatum you gave us, off you trot back to Rushton Park or some other shithole lol

Such a bum's league that West Aussies would be glued to their TVs on Saturday night to watch "The Winners".

How many Victorians were watching WAFL games...

 

[Roylion]

I'd suggest that's optimistic at best, maybe a little naive. A lot can change in 10, 20, 50 years. If the AFL turns off the tap, a club may find itself in a position where it's forced to step back to the VFL or fold. Might seem practical now, but doesn't mean it won't ever be.

There won't be a reduction of clubs in Melbourne in the short to medium term. There will be even more money in the AFL with the addition of a 20th team. That new TV deal will most likely run from 2032-2038. I'd say you'll have North Melbourne in Melbourne (and indeed the same number of Victorian clubs in the competition) for at least the next 15-odd seasons.

 

[BigFrizz36]

At the the risk of putting noses out of joint I think that North should look at a joint venture with the NT government and call themselves the Northern kangaroos.

Still play 6 or 7 home hames at marvel per year, buy a home game off the Saints and Dogs (NT government pays) and play 6 or 7 home games at Darwin (alternating each year between 6/7 and 7/6 split.)

N.T. government and federal government gets to fund a new 15,000 seat roofed stadium in Darwin (humidity problem solved). Selling it as more opportunities for indigenous kids, place for concerts, big bash etc.

North still have their roots in Melbourne but can open up a great indigenous pathways program in the n.t. They wouldn't play many less games in Melbourne than they do now with the Tassie games coming off.

Tassie comes in then Canberra take up the 20th licence (over 4 times the population of Darwin and a good AFL appetite). Another new stadium gets built (with a roof) on the light rail line. Probably 20,000 but would also need a roof.

Voila- 20 team absolute national comp.

 

[Engimal v3]

At the the risk of putting noses out of joint I think that North should look at a joint venture with the NT government and call themselves the Northern kangaroos.

Still play 6 or 7 home hames at marvel per year, buy a home game off the Saints and Dogs (NT government pays) and play 6 or 7 home games at Darwin (alternating each year between 6/7 and 7/6 split.)

N.T. government and federal government gets to fund a new 15,000 seat roofed stadium in Darwin (humidity problem solved). Selling it as more opportunities for indigenous kids, place for concerts, big bash etc.

North still have their roots in Melbourne but can open up a great indigenous pathways program in the n.t. They wouldn't play many less games in Melbourne than they do now with the Tassie games coming off.

Tassie comes in then Canberra take up the 20th licence (over 4 times the population of Darwin and a good AFL appetite). Another new stadium gets built (with a roof) on the light rail line. Probably 20,000 but would also need a roof.

Voila- 20 team absolute national comp.

Awful idea. You'd lose more fans in Melbourne than you'd gain in the NT.

 

[Roylion]

At the the risk of putting noses out of joint I think that North should look at a joint venture with the NT government and call themselves the Northern kangaroos.

Still play 6 or 7 home hames at marvel per year, buy a home game off the Saints and Dogs (NT government pays) and play 6 or 7 home games at Darwin (alternating each year between 6/7 and 7/6 split.)

N.T. government and federal government gets to fund a new 15,000 seat roofed stadium in Darwin (humidity problem solved). Selling it as more opportunities for indigenous kids, place for concerts, big bash etc.

North still have their roots in Melbourne but can open up a great indigenous pathways program in the n.t. They wouldn't play many less games in Melbourne than they do now with the Tassie games coming off.

My prediction would be that slowly but surely, the games in Melbourne would be whittled down and the games in Darwin would be increased...amounting eventually to a full relocation.

 

[Papa G]

Darwin does not deserve or can sustain a team. Completely unviable. The population, very transient, is just over 130k. They are a bazillion miles from any other population centres, the weather is extremely problematic. Darwin is a pipe dream.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Awful idea. You'd lose more fans in Melbourne than you'd gain in the NT.

How so. You currently play 8 in Melbourne and 3 in Tassie. You will need to make up for the shortfall in funds that you get from the Tassie government. How is playing 6.5 home games in Melbourne per year worse than the fate that could befall you if you don't find some other income streams?