Mega Thread VICBias - Genuine Discussion

[The 747]

That has been tried and it didn't work.

Better off merging two Vic teams. Have WA3 and NT / Canberra team come in to balance it when required. The comp will then get a really good look to see if the merged vic team disappears or if it becomes stronger than the other minow vic teams. A blueprint for the future or a one off only.

Northern Clubs + SA are currently getting some compensation for their troubles. Academies + Gather round. Time for WA to be thrown a bone too, just for optics. WA3 would actually go a long way to this.

If you merge two Vic clubs you will lose a lot of paying customers. The posters from other states seem to assume that the members will just follow the new club - they won't, many will stop following football.

You will also reduce the value of the TV rights deal, in the most lucrative market (by far).

You will also reduce the AFL's funds since it would break the agreements with MCG and Marvel about quantity and quality of games.

SA are not getting Gather Round as compensation for anything, they bought it from the AFL. Which is headed by a WA chairman and at the time a SA born CEO.

If WA as a whole wanted to spend some money instead of just boasting about what they have in the bank they could probably get a similar outcome.

And it would not matter what 'bone' WA was thrown, WA people would still complain and assign the blame for everything wrong with the world to the "Eastern staters".

 

[doppleganger]

Again... dumb post.

Are you happy playing tigers, hawks, carlton and essendon twice at the MCG?

Sure, its a neutral ground... but less times you travel outside of WA.

You continue to show a distinct lack of intelligence or common sense.

Who cares how many times Collingwood play outside of WA?

 

[Captivating]

That has been tried and it didn't work.

Better off merging two Vic teams. Have WA3 and NT / Canberra team come in to balance it when required. The comp will then get a really good look to see if the merged vic team disappears or if it becomes stronger than the other minow vic teams. A blueprint for the future or a one off only.

Northern Clubs + SA are currently getting some compensation for their troubles. Academies + Gather round. Time for WA to be thrown a bone too, just for optics. WA3 would actually go a long way to this.

We already have two life support teams in GC and GWS who continue to struggle to get 20,000 paying customers attend their games. NT and Canberra aren't viable.

I'd suggest the best competition would be comprised solely of teams from VIC, SA, WA and Tasmania.

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

What advantage does Freo have playing Richmond at the MCG, on a Saturday night?

4-5 hour Fly in to Melbourne Friday.
Pre-game prep Sat.
Game Sat night.
Potential recovery session Sunday AM - 4-5 hour flight back home after (or flipped and recovery back at home after earlier flight)

Richmond v Collingwood at MCG on a Saturday night?

Wake up in own bed game day.
Coffee with misso / friends
Drive to game.
Drive home after game to sleep in own bed a few hours later.

If you cannot see the difference I would like to commend your assistance dog on typing your posts so well.

And Richmond have to do the same when it's freos home game and free are the ones who get to wake up.in own bed, have coffee with misso etc etc.

Vic clubs don't get the same advantage as the home team when playing another vic club.

It isnt unfair to anyone, it works both ways dude.

Unless you are Geelong, then you get the best of both worlds.




You throw out insults but can't seem to realise you are only looking at it one way.

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[Demons09]

What advantage does a team like Collingwood get from playing Richmond at the MCG?

Your posts just keep getting worse.

Der, you don’t travel ahh Collingwood fans the answers are right there in front of you it’s bordering on trolling.

 

[doppleganger]

Der, you don’t travel ahh Collingwood fans the answers are right there in front of you it’s bordering on trolling.

Richmond dont travel also.

The reason nobody is able to give an answer as to what advantage Collingwood gets from playing Richmond at the G, is beacuse we dont get any advantage.

Tomorrow, Fremantle plays Melbourne in the NT and there is no disadvantage to either as both teams are travelling. But then later in the year Melbourne have to travel to Perth to play Freo who get to sit home wake up.in own bed, have coffee with misso and actually enjoy a proper home ground advantage game.

It is the Melbourne based team that is shafted.

 

[3207]

And Richmond have to do the same when it's freos home game and free are the ones who get to wake up.in own bed, have coffee with misso etc etc.

Vic clubs don't get the same advantage as the home team when playing another vic club.

It isnt unfair to anyone, it works both ways dude.

Unless you are Geelong, then you get the best of both worlds.




You throw out insults but can't seem to realise you are only looking at it one way.

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Surely you’re not that dumb?

That (travel to WA) would happen to Richmond for a MAXIMUM of twice a year.

How many weeks do Freo / West Coast have to do it for?

 

[3207]

Richmond dont travel also.

The reason nobody is able to give an answer as to what advantage Collingwood gets from playing Richmond at the G, is beacuse we dont get any advantage.

Tomorrow, Fremantle plays Melbourne in the NT and there is no disadvantage to either as both teams are travelling. But then later in the year Melbourne have to travel to Perth to play Freo who get to sit home wake up.in own bed, have coffee with misso and actually enjoy a proper home ground advantage game.

It is the Melbourne based team that is shafted.

Are Freo getting 2 home games this year against Melbourne?

Or did “da Melbin team” sell their home game and brought that upon themself?

 

[doppleganger]

Are Freo getting 2 home games this year against Melbourne?

Or did “da Melbin team” sell their home game and brought that upon themself?

Freo and Melbourne play twice in 2024.

1st game is in NT, no advantage to either team

2nd game is in WA, at Freo's home ground Optus Stadium. Where Freo will enjoy a full home ground advantage.

Advantage Freo.

 

[3207]

Freo and Melbourne play twice in 2024.

1st game is in NT, no advantage to either team

2nd game is in WA, at Freo's home ground Optus Stadium. Where Freo will enjoy a full home ground advantage.

Advantage Freo.

Why is it Freo’s advantage?

Did they dictate the game to be played at Darwin?

They control the fixture now?

I mean, they were resigned to be travelling anyway. It’s a Melbourne “home” game after all.

Melbourne were the ones that decided to play it away from home and force the travel upon themselves.

 

[Papa G]

Is it just a coincidence more Malbun teams are fixtured at Geelong now that Geelong are shit?

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

Surely you’re not that dumb?

That (travel to WA) would happen to Richmond for a MAXIMUM of twice a year.

How many weeks do Freo / West Coast have to do it for?

Stop insulting people man, grow up.

Yes. Freo have to travel every second week but on the flipside, they also get a genuine, partisan home ground advantage every second week. Yes, they have to stay in a hotel every second week but on the flipside, their opponents have the same issues every second week.

Vic clubs don't travel nearly as much but they also have many games where their home ground advantage is nil.

Interstate clubs have a greater hone game advantage but a greater away game disadvantage.

It's really not that deep

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[doppleganger]

Why is it Freo’s advantage?

They play game 1 at a neutral ground where both teams travel.

They play game 2 at home at Optus Stadium, their home ground.

Clearly advantage Freo.

Did they dictate the game to be played at Darwin

Melbourne have less control than Freo.

Melbourne don't even get to play their hoke games at their preferred home ground.

Melbourne were the ones that decided to play it away from home and force the travel upon themselves.

Melbourne never wanted to play games at Docklands, the AFL decided all Melbourne clubs would not get their home games at a single stadium

Anybody that understands how important home ground advantage is should be able to grasp that it is the teams who "sell" games that are the teams who are shafted.

And Freo joined a league knowing that 15 of the other clubs were based on the east coast of Australia. They forced the travel upon themselves.

 

[3207]

Stop insulting people man, grow up.

Yes. Freo have to travel every second week but on the flipside, they also get a genuine, partisan home ground advantage every second week. Yes, they have to stay in a hotel every second week but on the flipside, their opponents have the same issues every second week.

Vic clubs don't travel nearly as much but they also have many games where their home ground advantage is nil.

Interstate clubs have a greater hone game advantage but a greater away game disadvantage.

It's really not that deep

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At a maximum of twice per year.

They’re not travelling every second week.

 

[3207]

They play game 1 at a neutral ground where both teams travel.

They play game 2 at home at Optus Stadium, their home ground.

Clearly advantage Freo.

Because Melbourne sold their home ground advantage for cash. Melbourne’s fault. Not Freo.

Melbourne don't even get to play their hoke games at their preferred home ground.


Melbourne never wanted to play games at Docklands, the AFL decided all Melbourne clubs would not get their home games at a single stadium

Oh yes the travel and inconvenience of getting to Docklands from South Yarra is basically as bad as getting on a train from Warsaw to Breznika in 1941.

Anybody that understands how important home ground advantage is should be able to grasp that it is the teams who "sell" games that are the teams who are shafted.

The way Melbourne shafted themselves this week, you mean? The way that Hawthorn and Richmond and North Melbourne - and even yourselves for Queens Birthday fixtures have done in the past?

And Freo joined a league knowing that 15 of the other clubs were based on the east coast of Australia. They forced the travel upon themselves.

I set that up hoping that I would elicit this response knowing that if you did trot this line out I was dealing with one of the lowest common denominators on this site.

Thanks for proving me right.

Again.

 

[The 747]

Is it just a coincidence more Malbun teams are fixtured at Geelong now that Geelong are shit?

The split has been 9-2 for a while. Collingwood and whichever large Melbourne club is going the best get to play an away game against us at their home ground.

Pity we don't get an extra home game every other year from bribing the AFL - I would have thought you would be interested in that given your posting trope.

 

[Cubs2Lions]

If you merge two Vic clubs you will lose a lot of paying customers. The posters from other states seem to assume that the members will just follow the new club - they won't, many will stop following football.

You will also reduce the value of the TV rights deal, in the most lucrative market (by far).

You will also reduce the AFL's funds since it would break the agreements with MCG and Marvel about quantity and quality of games.

SA are not getting Gather Round as compensation for anything, they bought it from the AFL. Which is headed by a WA chairman and at the time a SA born CEO.

If WA as a whole wanted to spend some money instead of just boasting about what they have in the bank they could probably get a similar outcome.

And it would not matter what 'bone' WA was thrown, WA people would still complain and assign the blame for everything wrong with the world to the "Eastern staters".

Maybe the better outcome could be joint-venture one Victorian club interstate on a part time basis until both parties agree on it being suitable to play elsewhere (outside of Victoria) full-time.

Let’s say the Kangaroos joint-ventured to Darwin / Northern Territory as a hypothetical given their struggles right now and to please the NT with more professional access without giving their a full-time club (cost too much).

The club would be known as the Northern Kangaroos and would play 5 home matches in Darwin, 2 home matches in Alice Springs and 5 home matches in Melbourne. AFL would give the Kangaroos NT academy / NGA rights and schedule home matches in NT against the Victorian clubs to travel more while allowing non-Victorians clubs to play in Melbourne more.

This proposal would continue until all parties agree that NT is ready for a full-time club and the Kangaroos move up there permanently. Mind you, this agreement can be both by other smaller Victorian clubs and cities not represented but could help limit the amount of clubs in the CBD of Melbourne cause there is just too many.

 

[3207]

The split has been 9-2 for a while. Collingwood and whichever large Melbourne club is going the best get to play an away game against us at their home ground.

Pity we don't get an extra home game every other year from bribing the AFL - I would have thought you would be interested in that given your posting trope.

Now you’ve got a ground of a decent capacity you shouldn’t have to ever leave Geelong during the Home & Away season, IMO.

 

[Grin]

Is this thread still going?
A bunch of entitled non-Vic and Geelong supporters demanding even more unsporting advantages than they already get. Talk about inferiority complex

 

[littlecreatures]

The only VicBias is Harley Reid going to MRO on WA day. Who even does that

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[sr36]

The only VicBias is Harley Reid going to MRO on WA day. Who even does that

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Harley doesn't go to MRO - it's a decision based totally on footage.

 

[littlecreatures]

Harley doesn't go to MRO - it's a decision based totally on footage.

VicBias

 

[The 747]

Maybe the better outcome could be joint-venture one Victorian club interstate on a part time basis until both parties agree on it being suitable to play elsewhere (outside of Victoria) full-time.

Let’s say the Kangaroos joint-ventured to Darwin / Northern Territory as a hypothetical given their struggles right now and to please the NT with more professional access without giving their a full-time club (cost too much).

The club would be known as the Northern Kangaroos and would play 5 home matches in Darwin, 2 home matches in Alice Springs and 5 home matches in Melbourne. AFL would give the Kangaroos NT academy / NGA rights and schedule home matches in NT against the Victorian clubs to travel more while allowing non-Victorians clubs to play in Melbourne more.

This proposal would continue until all parties agree that NT is ready for a full-time club and the Kangaroos move up there permanently. Mind you, this agreement can be both by other smaller Victorian clubs and cities not represented but could help limit the amount of clubs in the CBD of Melbourne cause there is just too many.

The first bolded bit is the agenda, plain as day.

The NT does not have the money to support what you are talking about. The Suns playing a couple of games out there at the moment is ideal, perhaps can increase to 3 or 4 in time.

The closely clustered Melbourne suburbs don't really have anything to do with support. Do you think all the Collingwood and Richmond supporters live within a small strip of land between Punt Road and the river? And next door in Fitzroy there are no football supporters? Then another 100,000 2kms away in Carlton?

There is some link to direction from the CBD for some clubs and that's about it.

 

[apollo_creed]

Is it just a coincidence more Malbun teams are fixtured at Geelong now that Geelong are shit?

When you emerge from your safety rock you might discover they had a stadium upgrade recently.

I’ll let you get back to recalibrating your tin foil hat.

 

[doppleganger]

Because Melbourne sold their home ground advantage for cash.
Melbourne’s fault.

The AFL refuses to Fixture ALL 11 of Melbourne's HOME games at the MCG.

It is AFL policy that ensures Melbourne lose their home ground advantage.

Melbourne's choice is to then make some $$ instead of losing $$.

It is pretty clear Melbourne is disadvantaged by not getting a home ground advantage game.

Not Freo.

Yes, it is not Freo who are disadvantaged.